base talk With Texas, has Beyonce surpassed Madonna, Cher and Tina in the longevity department?

[Achilles.]

Cher has had #1 hits on various billboard charts across seven consecutive decades, including the current one. Nobody has surpassed her longevity, though a few of her contemporaries are on fairly equal footing. 

Edited February 22 by Achilles.

[superben]

Nope, but Beyonce has managed her image much better than Madonna.

[Erreur2 La Nature]

These threads are crazy 

 

Imagine comparing ANYONE to Madonna.

 

Beyoncé while doing more than great benefits from streaming, as this demographic uses her music.

 

Comparing artists who peaked decades ago and those who are considered streaming artists (eventhough Beyoncé debuted in 2003) makes zero sense, and no she isn’t anywhere near Madonna. 

[GreatestLoveofAll]

she's getting there for sure but Tina was riding her solo career throughout her 40s and 50s. sure by '89 she wasnt getting smash hits in the USA, but Europe adored her and she was outgrossing all the current girls in the game at that time. she still sold lots of albums in the 90s and wasnt pushed out of the game- she CHOSE not to be part of it no more when she retired.

 

Cher never was as consistent as the rest of them but by technicality she still ahead of Bey since "Believe" era was 30 plus years after both her career and solo debuts.

[Jjang]

40 minutes ago, ithinkheknowsoutsold said:

Only 6 albums released in 2022 or later have sold at least 6 million units. Renaissance is going to comfortably surpass Hard Candy in not too long from now, your comparison makes zero sense. Besides, the figure you stated for Renaissance is already incorrect since it doesn't include any pure sales. 

and only 1 album sold over 6 million copies in the year of 2008. Seems like albums are bigger now. 

 

2008 year end 

#9 HC

 

2022 year end 

#20 renaissance 

 

at this pace it will take at least 4 more years. That’s not soon. And this pace won’t continue.  I’m pretty sure Madonna’s figure doesn’t include any kind of sales after 2015 either. 

Edited February 22 by Jjang

[Rotunda]

It’ll be another couple decades before this conversation is actually able to be had, and by then we should all be too old to care.

[CoolNebraskaGuy]

Let's never forgot that the 20th century legends walked so that the 21st century legends can run. It will never be possible to fairly compare their careers. 

 

In my opinion, by the time Beyonce is Madonna's age she will be recognized as a legend of similar caliber. But to imply she has surpassed them is disrespectful and highkey stupid.

Edited February 22 by CoolNebraskaGuy

[Chris]

Can we just stop comparing ladies and just appreciate all of them?

 

This is so boring honestly.

[Alongoria13]

1 hour ago, HardBambi said:

OMG that’s so rude, obnoxious and unnecessary 🫣

 

I think Madonna had more highs than Beyonce so the answer is no.

 

From Virgin to Prayer to Vogue to Sexrotica to Evita to Ray of light, Confessions …. I think she’s unbeatable 

 

 

I'm a cranky ***** in the morning x I'm good now

[Chris]

2 hours ago, MingYouToo said:

Madonna is the closest and albeit had a higher peak than Beyonce or any other popgirl, but 27 years in, Madonna was releasing 4 Minutes, MDNA, Gimme All Your Luvin and Hard Candy and while 4 Minutes was a big hit, I don't think that era comes close to the 25-27 year repeak of Beyonce with RENAISSANCE, Cuff It, BMS, and now Texas Hold Em'. 

You always keep forgetting age differences between them and YES that plays a huge part in things.

 

It really does.

 

They started at different times and different ages so you cannot compare that.

 

When Madonna was 42, she released Music (single and album) and that was a huge success for her.

 

Like.....

 

[Chris]

You cannot compare Beyonce with 16 Carriages/Texas Hold 'Em to Madonna with 4 Minutes/Hard Candy.

 

Madonna was 50 years old and dealing with ageism at that time and unfortunately Beyonce (like all other pop women who will turn 50) will deal with the same ageism.

[FSXP]

Maybe it’s time to put this debate to rest. I don’t think Tina and Cher should be placed in the same category as Madonna and Beyoncé. Both had a severe dip relevancy and then came back massively which is a bit different from Madonna and Beyoncé who still were very relevant and pushed out successful albums and songs. Their comeback albums were legit comeback smashes and albums. Beyoncé and Madonna were more like re-peaks. 

 

In terms of Beyoncé’s longevity, it is impressive that once Texas Hold ‘Em reaches #1, I think only Ariana and Taylor will have more this decade.

Edited February 22 by FSXP

[mike_int]

The math is not mathing

 

Crazy in Love was released in 2003 - that will be 21 years for B's first solo single

 

Everybody - Madonna first single was released in 1982 - that's exactly twice as much, 42 years

 

HOW DID SHE SURPASSED HER EXACTLY?

 

[tiagol88]

There’s also the fact by the time Hard Candy released Madonna was turning 50 while Bey is still in her early 40s. 

[Kristie Kuwa]

Surpassing is such a weird term, but I do believe that after the trilogy, it is safe to say that Bey comfortably shares a seat at the table of these legends. She did that

 

[Trent W]

I don’t know, but Beyonce is the absolute biggest legend of her generation and the last couple decades.

 

Passing Madonna is super hard, but Beyonce has a much better image at her age than Madonna did at that age.

 

Madonna broke so many stigmas and was always too controversial, which paved the way for acts like Bey

 

Imo Bey might have a much better carrer in the long run but what Madonna did, no one will ever be able to do it again, she really paved the way.

[Havoc]

Tina and Cher yes because they both had major comebacks, Beyonce is much more consistent than both of them were.

 

Madonna idk. Her having a huge confessions era at 47 was really impressive.

[Storm653]

If we're strictly talking longevity and nothing else, the unbiased answer is yes. 

 

However, Madonna's prime years were far more impactful than Beyonce's especially if we're talking influence and global sales. Even Madonna past her peak was selling better overseas than Renaissance without the help of streams. 

 

Hard Candy (Madonna album) - Wikipedia (30 countries)

 

MDNA (album) - Wikipedia (25 countries)

 

Renaissance (Beyoncé album) - Wikipedia (13 countries)

 

Beyonce even with streaming on her side and a worldwide tour that garnered attention didn't get certed in anywhere near as much countries as Madonna past her prime and in her 50's. Let that sink in. Those Madonna albums also got certed in more countries than Lemonade, 4, and even Self Titled). 

 

Of course, from Rebel Heart and onward, Madge began to lose her grip even in the global market but she was basically in her late 50's and 60's at the time and everybody starts to fall off at that point. But, even at 65 years old, Madonna is able to get a hit serving longevity with the Weeknd and a globally successful tour. And, while Madam X flopped, it still went number 1 on the Billboard when Madonna was 60.

 

So, you have to take everything into account. The Immaculate Collection outsold Dangerously In Love and B'Day COMBINED and that's just a compilation album. And that's not even factoring in the success of Madonna's soundtrack albums. By far, she had the huger peak over Beyonce. 

 

I love Beyonce but longevity in itself doesn't tell the full story.

 

Tina Turner achieved legend status for her music and performances on a level that had her labeled the de facto "Queen of Rock N Roll." Maybe the streams and chart numbers won't reflect that but Tina's legacy is basically longevity in itself because no one else took that title away from her. 

 

But congrats to all of them though. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 22 by Storm653

[favorite crime]

Bey has surpassed Tina and Cher. She'll probably never surpass Madonna. Yes Cher had a hit 35 years into her career but is it really longevity if she had long periods of floppage in-between?

[Material Girl]

you can’t surpass a legend, but you can become one yourself 

 

i’d say bey has cemented her status among legends like madonna/cher/tina but to say she’s surpassed them feels insulting 

[Comedor]

Annoying gays. 
 

There’s no surpassing, they are in the same category as many have mentioned. A very prestigious and exclusive category at that. 

 

What’s the need to put a fave above others when their position in the industry is already super high?

[swissman]

She has not "surpassed" them because many of them were getting hits at an age even older than Beyoncé is now, HOWEVER, her type of success and longevity I think is unique. She has had a kind of long-standing success that has carved a lane none of them have quite tread: that of longevity primarily through quality and being known for quality rather than simply getting hits at an older age.

 

For example, there's few people that have grown in relevance, notoriety, and public appreciation at the same time that their music is not reaching the highs of their earlier career. Certainly some artists' reputations have grown as they put out great later-career albums, but not only did her reputation increase, but so did her celebrity and her cultural ubiquity. Her longevity is not just based on "wow she's a certain age AND she has a hit", it's moreso that she's still going and still bettering herself, challenging herself, challenging the listening public, etc.

 

 

Edited February 22 by swissman

[Jay07]

I always imagine Beyonce cringing so hard at some fragile stan suggesting she "surpassed" Tina. These women came up in different times and struggled and fought to pave the way for Bey and everyone else to do their thing and be succesful. Stop being corny. 

[vale9001]

Madonna did since her first years a new album every 2-3 years (if 'm not wrong the most she waited for an album was 1994-1998 but even there with a soundtrack (evita) and a greatest hits with reimagined songs, not only the old versions, in the between.

 

i think it's kinda pointless to compare that in terms of longevity with cher only cause cher got some new hit in the late 90s when already in the 70s some of her studio albums peaked at #153 on billboard 200 

 

at the same way i don't understand why you count the years of an artist on a girl-pop band as "her career". We know someone can be very famous in a band and then nobody cares about her solo careet the week after. Wasn't the case for Beyoncè but in any case the solo career is the solo career imo.

 

To put togheter the both things I said if in 2027 kelly rowland makes some hit with a deejay or whatever we can say "kelly rowland has 30 years of longevity like Madonna". I mean madonna made 16 #1 albums or near to it. 

Edited February 22 by vale9001

[Dreajae]

Beyonce has her own trajectory and lane at this point. You were considered OVER outside of your 20s but Madonna and Tina pushed those boundaries.