MingYouToo Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Yes yes, Madonna, Bey, Cher and Tina are always the names that get mentioned when we're talking longevity. But I think its unfair to put them with Bey whos celebrity power never really fell off, while still being as relevant as the Taylor Swifts, Ariana Grandes, Katy Perrys, Gagas of time past (and current). I don't think Tina and Cher ever really held the level of celebrity power and commercial power Beyonce has. Beyonce has always stood her ground from the era of Britney-Christina world, the Nelly-Kelly-Fergie era, the post Gaga-Katy-world, the closest one can consider her as a has-been was the land of Billies-Duas-Arianas (but even then her celebrity was still arguably bigger than all of them combined) and now with the Olivias-Dojas of the world, Beyonce has still held a very significant media and commercial presence. Madonna was clearly eclipsed by the Mariahs-Whitneys-Celines of the 90s, the Beyonces of the 2000s, and onwards. Cher and Tina never really reached the highs of Madonna and Beyonce. I think longevity should be measured by how consistent your name has been in the commercial and celebrity department. Madonna is the closest and albeit had a higher peak than Beyonce or any other popgirl, but 27 years in, Madonna was releasing 4 Minutes, MDNA, Gimme All Your Luvin and Hard Candy and while 4 Minutes was a big hit, I don't think that era comes close to the 25-27 year repeak of Beyonce with RENAISSANCE, Cuff It, BMS, and now Texas Hold Em'. 4 3 3 6 23
Infatuation_Junkie Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Surpassed? Never. In the same league? Yes. 2 4
KatyPrismSpirit Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Cher not yet. She had Believe which is much bigger and that was like 35 years into her career. In regards to Madge, i believe so. Cause 27 years in Madonna’s career, she did not have a solo hit as big as TEXAS HOLD EM. Thats equivalent to Madonna going #1 in 2010 which didnt happen. 6
Saint James Posted February 22 Posted February 22 don’t know Tina that well. B has not surpassed the other 2 but i’m sure she’ll keep going just like them. both Cher and Madonna charted very recently so it’s a difficult argument to make 1
#Beautiful Posted February 22 Posted February 22 god knows i love beyonce and i 100000% think she is a legend but the answer to the OP will never be yes ever ever in this life or any other life 1 1
Alongoria13 Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Please take Madonna’s name out of your UNWASHED mouths 14
Kimi Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Comparing that is impossible, it was much more difficult to be an old(er) woman back then. Word ”surpassing” suggests that she’s somehow better than them because of it, but her being so relevant has to do with how times changed, and they changed also because of Tina Cher or Madonna. 10 1
Doogle Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Plssss stop setting her up with this surpassed nonsense. Say that she has reached their longevity maybe but cmon 1
Jjang Posted February 22 Posted February 22 HC - 6.2m units (26 years into her career) / 11th studio album Ren - 3.7m units (20 years into solo career) / 7th studio album not yet 6
Mordecai Posted February 22 Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, Kimi said: Comparing that is impossible, it was much more difficult to be an old(er) woman back then. Word ”surpassing” suggests that she’s somehow better than them because of it, but her being so relevant has to do with how times changed, and they changed also because of Tina Cher or Madonna. ^ There's no Beyonce longevity without Madonna, Cher or Tina, it was much harder for female artists in the 70s/80s to thrive much less have longevity and do so at an older age This is why in my mind the endless Madonna/Taylor comparisons are meritless
Brikenbur Posted February 22 Posted February 22 7 minutes ago, Jjang said: HC - 6.2m units (26 years into her career) / 11th studio album Ren - 3.7m units (20 years into solo career) / 7th studio album not yet Yeah, if Bey’s still pulling these numbers in another 8-10 maybe
Ratviolo Posted February 22 Posted February 22 I might be wrong, but hasn’t Bey been way more consistent throughout her career than both Tina and Cher? She still has to reach Madonna though, but she’s on her way already and I’m sure she’ll get there. 3
BnPac Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Beyoncé has a successful song, it's good but let's stop with the threads. The comparisons are always unwelcome, let all girls thrive, and old legends' fans can be very sensitive. 7
ithinkheknowsoutsold Posted February 22 Posted February 22 23 minutes ago, Jjang said: HC - 6.2m units (26 years into her career) / 11th studio album Ren - 3.7m units (20 years into solo career) / 7th studio album not yet HC - out for 15 years Ren - out for 1.5 years
Dante Silva Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Active Years in the Industry: Cher = 1960’s > 2020’s Madonna = 1980’s > 2020’s Beyonce = 1990’s > 2020’s 1
CallumDavies Posted February 22 Posted February 22 If Beyonce goes #1 on Billboard 100 next week, there will be a 25 year gap between her first #1 (Bills, Bills, Bills) and Texas Hold 'Em. The female artists to do this with a non-holiday song, is Cher. I think she had 27 years between her first and last #1. It's pretty exceptional longevity, although comparing careers is always really hard. 2 1
CallumDavies Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Comparing calculated sales pre and post streaming era is basically pointless. 2
Selegend Posted February 22 Posted February 22 there's no "surpassed", "longevity" & "madonna" in the same sentence. those words don't go together unless we're in the past and it's madonna surpassing someone. 5
HardBambi Posted February 22 Posted February 22 46 minutes ago, Alongoria13 said: Please take Madonna’s name out of your UNWASHED mouths OMG that’s so rude, obnoxious and unnecessary 🫣 I think Madonna had more highs than Beyonce so the answer is no. From Virgin to Prayer to Vogue to Sexrotica to Evita to Ray of light, Confessions …. I think she’s unbeatable
Jjang Posted February 22 Posted February 22 13 minutes ago, ithinkheknowsoutsold said: HC - out for 15 years Ren - out for 1.5 years which is more than enough time in the streaming age to surpass HC's figure had it been tangibly bigger. 1
byzantium Posted February 22 Posted February 22 These “longevity” threads are so tiring. Longevity analysis is a factor of both long term success and time. Madonna had much more success than Beyonce. Cher had longer time than Beyonce. Beyoncé’s success is very impressive overall but what’s wrong with just leaving it with that? 4
ithinkheknowsoutsold Posted February 22 Posted February 22 16 minutes ago, Jjang said: which is more than enough time in the streaming age to surpass HC's figure had it been tangibly bigger. Only 6 albums released in 2022 or later have sold at least 6 million units. Renaissance is going to comfortably surpass Hard Candy in not too long from now, your comparison makes zero sense. Besides, the figure you stated for Renaissance is already incorrect since it doesn't include any pure sales. 2
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