celeb news Selena Gomez attends Zionist wedding party where Israel flag is celebrated

[loliza]

14 hours ago, punisher said:

i fear noah was wrong… every zionist just becomes the opposite of sexy

 

Did she give her plastic surger the pic of lily rose depp?

Edited November 28, 2023 by loliza

[Harrier]

15 hours ago, heckinglovato said:

In 1948 my Palestinian family which was legally living in Palestine along with 700,000 other Palestinians were expelled, and others murdered, to establish this white settler colony of individuals, most of whom are white Europeans and have no connection to the land.

 

My dad, my grandpa, my great grandpa, my great great grandpa (and I could go on and on) were all Palestinian legally born in Palestine and displaced by the white settler colony of Israel (which by the way, is currently an apartheid).

 

You could go back in time hundreds and thousands of years to try and draw correlations between your ancestry and the land of Israel/Palestine, and you just might find those correlations (although inapplicable to most people currently living in the white settler colony of Israel), but it won't change the fact that modern day Israel (not to be conflated old testament Israel) is a 75 year-old white settler colony that is built on the expulsion and murder of those who were living on that land legally.

 

Your mental gymnastics on "the consequences of war" and attempting to equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism are tired efforts that we've seen too many times before.

 

Anyway, where was your grandpa born, N.M.K.? 

This post is anti-Semitism, and it is sad to see it get so many upvotes. You slyly accuse that member of being a "white settler colonist" when they clearly stated their background is Middle-Eastern - not so different from yours.

 

More than 65% of the citizens of Israel are of an ethnically Middle-Eastern background, including over half of the Jewish population who are descendents of people expulsed from Middle-Eastern and North African countries. Further from that, a very high percentage of European descended Jews are from the former Soviet Union, not New York or whatever, and do not have anywhere to "go back to" due to losing their citizenship in that era. Additonally, I will add that 70% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel, and that percentage continues to rise as time goes on.

 

You are using an anti-semitic trope that portrays Israelis as rich white settlers from Brooklyn who are all there because they're committed ideaological Zionists. This is blatantly false and represents a minority within a minority of Israelis. The reality is most Jewish Israelis fall into three categories: Middle Eastern (Mizrahi), former Soviet Union/communist block, or descendants of Holocaust survivors. This is not a population that can simply uproot and leave Israel whenever they feel like it. I am suspicious of your narrative and motive, because it reads as a justification for some future ethnic cleansing - it seems justifiable to force people out if they have an apartment in New York to go to, right?

 

We need peace, and part of that peace involves the acknowledgement that Israelis are there to stay, regardless of whether we are talking about a one or two state solution. The exception being West Bank settlers, who must leave in order for a two state solution to be possible. Palestinians and Free Palestine supporters need to accept this reality - and many do - or peace will never happen.

[bestfiction]

Wait so the whole thing was a setup by a Selena hater account?

[Cloudy]

The crazy zionist in here

[theflying]

14 minutes ago, Cloudy said:

The crazy zionist in here

Yup! Believe it or not, Zionism has a ton to do with Jewish identity (whether Jews support or do not support Israel) so, no, you cannot just act like Jews do not have a voice in this and call them “crazy” for speaking out.

Edited November 28, 2023 by theflying

[feelingsonfire]

1 hour ago, bestfiction said:

Wait so the whole thing was a setup by a Selena hater account?

Yeah 

[Archetype]

Oh my god can you all just shut up?  She’s at a damn wedding, she didn’t know that would happen.  Some of the essays in here… get a life. 

[FOCK]

3 hours ago, Harrier said:

This post is anti-Semitism, and it is sad to see it get so many upvotes. You slyly accuse that member of being a "white settler colonist" when they clearly stated their background is Middle-Eastern - not so different from yours.

 

More than 65% of the citizens of Israel are of an ethnically Middle-Eastern background, including over half of the Jewish population who are descendents of people expulsed from Middle-Eastern and North African countries. Further from that, a very high percentage of European descended Jews are from the former Soviet Union, not New York or whatever, and do not have anywhere to "go back to" due to losing their citizenship in that era. Additonally, I will add that 70% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel, and that percentage continues to rise as time goes on.

 

You are using an anti-semitic trope that portrays Israelis as rich white settlers from Brooklyn who are all there because they're committed ideaological Zionists. This is blatantly false and represents a minority within a minority of Israelis. The reality is most Jewish Israelis fall into three categories: Middle Eastern (Mizrahi), former Soviet Union/communist block, or descendants of Holocaust survivors. This is not a population that can simply uproot and leave Israel whenever they feel like it. I am suspicious of your narrative and motive, because it reads as a justification for some future ethnic cleansing - it seems justifiable to force people out if they have an apartment in New York to go to, right?

 

We need peace, and part of that peace involves the acknowledgement that Israelis are there to stay, regardless of whether we are talking about a one or two state solution. The exception being West Bank settlers, who must leave in order for a two state solution to be possible. Palestinians and Free Palestine supporters need to accept this reality - and many do - or peace will never happen.

If you had to expel native people to live on land you currently occupy, you’re a settler colony by definition. 
 

Mizrahi Jewish children & other Jews of color were actively taken from their families & given to “white” parents or made missing. Some Mizrahi Jews are even only finding out in their 50s & 60’s via DNA tests. 
 

 

Ethiopian Jews endured forced & non-consensual sterilisation. 
 

Israel has always been a white settler colonial project that favoured Ashkenazi or white Jews. 
 

Israel actively encourages, relies on, & funds, Jewish identifying people, largely from western nations, to relocate there, in order to maintain their influence - including paying for education, fuel & rent. They even pay you more & equip you with weapons if you happen to settle on illegal expansion territories - bonus! 

No one is calling for those native to the land or whom are displaced to leave. But if your “home” literally isn’t yours, and the rightful owners are somewhere else languishing and unable to return, what are you doing & what is there to be “proud” of? 

 

Nothing about the form that Israel currently operates in, nor the rhetoric that it spouts, is conducive to peace - and no territorial conflict in history has ever achieved what most would consider a state of “peace”, without violence. The founders of Zionism were fully aware & acknowledge this in the state’s historical record. 

Edited November 28, 2023 by FOCK
To be clear, I agree with you that there is no issue with Selena attending her friends wedding, this is just a response to the “white settler colony” thing.

[theflying]

@FOCK, one of the ways to engage in a conversation about Israel and not be anti-Semitic, is to listen to Jewish voices and have a conversation about it.

 

Are you willing to listen to a Jewish perspective on what you said?

 

If not, then you shouldn’t be posting what you’re posting. Everything you posted about could be talked about at length for pages and pages.

 

For example, in 1948, people weren’t “expelled”, there was a *war*. A war where all the surrounding countries ATTACKED Israel, after Israel declared its existence within the boundaries the UN basically provided, while the then-Arab communities rejected it and tried to wipe it out.

 

Israel won. They got territory as a result. Many people were displaced, but also, some of them were “displaced” but actually left thinking Israel would be wiped out and conquered and they could go back.

 

Plenty of Arabs stayed, and thus, became Israeli citizens.

 

So, within this little sentence you said, there is a mountain of history and nuance and context.

 

Are you really interested in having it?

 

Or, maybe, we can just agree that Selena f**king Gomez isn’t endorsing anything by going to a Jewish wedding, and to listen to Jewish voices when we say that espousing the opposite is pretty bigoted.

 

Believe it or not, you can listen to Jewish voices about this, and not use everything to litigate the Israel-Palestinian conflict! Because, as should have been inherently obvious to moderators who have allowed this thread to remain open, going to a wedding has nothing to do with one’s politics.

Edited November 28, 2023 by theflying

[TouchinFree]

Sis the U.S exists because of Israel. They pretty much own the U.S and every single American person. So im not putting the blame on her. 

 

What can she do anyways? If she says something bad about Israel she'd lose her millions just like other celebs. Just be a sheep because you can't really change anything. More Palestinian children will die and you all have to dance and celebrate. 

[Digitalism]

Imagine if this thread was called Selena attends a black friend's wedding and the comments were the same.

Some of you are just masking your anti semitism as anti zionism. And I have always been againts the estate of israel but no, attending a jewish wedding has nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza. 

Atrl should just close this. 

 

[ZIVERT]

56 minutes ago, TouchinFree said:

Sis the U.S exists because of Israel. They pretty much own the U.S and every single American person. So im not putting the blame on her. 

 

What can she do anyways? If she says something bad about Israel she'd lose her millions just like other celebs. Just be a sheep because you can't really change anything. More Palestinian children will die and you all have to dance and celebrate. 

Literal brain rot  this war with Hamas is pulling out all the antisemitic tropes. Now Israel runs America?!  

[SadGirl]

regardless of how worthy Israel of criticism is (and it absolutely is, to say the least), asking Jews to ignore their connection to Israel is antisemitic. 

jewish holidays, jewish prayers and traditions are all related to the land Israel is existing on. maybe try and listen to jews when they say something is antisemitic. and I'm not even talking about the age old blood libels of how jews control the world/media that are shamelessly posted here  

[cOe]

I am pro-freePalestine and think that Israel definitely is doing nasty bs and is largely responsible for the development of Hamas.

However, could we just PLEASE retire the lie that Israel was created by white European settlers? Educate yourselves please.

I come from Poland, a country which was around 1/4 Jewish before WW2. Most Jews did not mix with the ethnically Polish population, living in their own districts. Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews are mostly Middle Eastern in genetics, and settled in Eastern Europe following displacement. This is proven by genetic studies. Natalie Portman or Scarlett Johansson don't represent the average Jewish appearance. The white-passing Jews were also more likely to survive the war.

After world war II, my country still conducted extensive antisemitic cleansing, forcing hundreds of thousands of Jews to leave Poland for good. My grandfather's brother actually beat up and injured a Jewish student at university back then. I've seen comments asking: why don't Jews just come to Poland? Because Poles largely hate them. I've met sooo many people who still consider antisemitic concentration camp jokes funny and don't want them here.

The situation is horribly difficult and it reminds me how tragic society is. We need to find some solution that will allow both the Palestinians and the Jews their own place. I don't really know how tbh. Everything just seems so bleak.

I know I'm gonna get so many downvotes but **** it

[ShouldersSideways]

The breadth of this topic is way, way outside of ATRL's purview and I really wouldn't mind if we banned these discussions or at least kept them to a particular thread.  Some of the things in here are unquestionably anti-Semitic; I don't see how what Israel is doing justifies pushing tropes like Jewish people secretly control everything.

 

It's also gross to see how so many people have weaponized this conflict for stan wars. This is a serious conflict and children are dying but half the users on here don't really care about that; they just want to use it to bring down a celebrity they don't like.

[KingWitch]

11 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

The breadth of this topic is way, way outside of ATRL's purview and I really wouldn't mind if we banned these discussions or at least kept them to a particular thread.  Some of the things in here are unquestionably anti-Semitic; I don't see how what Israel is doing justifies pushing tropes like Jewish people secretly control everything.

 

It's also gross to see how so many people have weaponized this conflict for stan wars. This is a serious conflict and children are dying but half the users on here don't really care about that; they just want to use it to bring down a celebrity they don't like.

Its ignored as long as its under the guise of "#FreePalestine"

 

Frankly a lot of stuff being said on here is very transparent in what agenda its pushing,i don't even engage because of that .

[heckinglovato]

2 hours ago, cOe said:

I am pro-freePalestine and think that Israel definitely is doing nasty bs and is largely responsible for the development of Hamas.

However, could we just PLEASE retire the lie that Israel was created by white European settlers? Educate yourselves please.

I come from Poland, a country which was around 1/4 Jewish before WW2. Most Jews did not mix with the ethnically Polish population, living in their own districts. Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews are mostly Middle Eastern in genetics, and settled in Eastern Europe following displacement. This is proven by genetic studies. Natalie Portman or Scarlett Johansson don't represent the average Jewish appearance. The white-passing Jews were also more likely to survive the war.

After world war II, my country still conducted extensive antisemitic cleansing, forcing hundreds of thousands of Jews to leave Poland for good. My grandfather's brother actually beat up and injured a Jewish student at university back then. I've seen comments asking: why don't Jews just come to Poland? Because Poles largely hate them. I've met sooo many people who still consider antisemitic concentration camp jokes funny and don't want them here.

The situation is horribly difficult and it reminds me how tragic society is. We need to find some solution that will allow both the Palestinians and the Jews their own place. I don't really know how tbh. Everything just seems so bleak.

I know I'm gonna get so many downvotes but **** it

So Palestinians asking for our land back is anti-Semitic but Poland saying "we couldn't really keep Jewish folks here because we hate them" is a-okay 👍🏼

 

Also, as a Palestinian myself living in Warsaw, I can definitely tell you the issue here is hatred of literally everybody else, it's not constrained to anti-Semitism specifically.

 

Why is it that Benzion Mileikowsky, born right here in Poland, can just rename to Benjamin Netanyahu and live on my homeland (and run it as prime minister) while I have to globetrot as an expat for the rest of my life?

[heckinglovato]

Also I suggest for everyone here to Google what a semite is before calling me, an Arab semite, "anti-semitic" for saying that the expulsion of our family is wrong and asking for our home back

 

The Israeli propagandists are wilddddd glad y'all are getting downvoted which means nobody is buying this bullshit anymore

[campelo]

21 hours ago, drsouchan said:

I'm not her stan,

but if you attend your Israeli friend's wedding does that mean you're zionism?

You can't change your friend's race and it's just a wedding not a political rally.

Race 

[SadGirl]

10 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

Also I suggest for everyone here to Google what a semite is before calling me, an Arab semite, "anti-semitic" for saying that the expulsion of our family is wrong and asking for our home back

 

The Israeli propagandists are wilddddd glad y'all are getting downvoted which means nobody is buying this bullshit anymore

antisemitism historically and specifically refers to the hatred of jews. 

people can be semites and hate jews at the same time (absolutely not saying that you are). 

[heckinglovato]

9 minutes ago, SadGirl said:

antisemitism historically and specifically refers to the hatred of jews. 

people can be semites and hate jews at the same time (absolutely not saying that you are). 

Well I experience anti-Semite/anti-Arab behaviors constantly (not Islamophobia, as I'm not Muslim) and I actually can chime in and say that calling the country that expelled my family and murdered my people an apartheid and a settler colony, is NOT anti-semitic.

 

And I'm happy to fight actual anti-Semitism wherever it exists, while simultaneously fighting Zionism which is an inherently genocidal belief.

[ZIVERT]

14 minutes ago, SadGirl said:

antisemitism historically and specifically refers to the hatred of jews. 

people can be semites and hate jews at the same time (absolutely not saying that you are). 

Antisemitism was literally coined by Germans in the prelude to Nazi Germany specifically to promote a racial hierarchy with Jews at the bottom. Anyone who pulls out the “I can’t be an antisemite, I *am* a Semite” is either uninformed, a bad faith troll at best or engaging in racist Nazi era pseudoscience at worst. “Semite” is a language group (encompassing both Hebrew and Arabic, both languages of Middle Eastern origin), not a race. One can most definitely be “Semitic” (Arab) and antisemitic  

[reputaoty]

6 hours ago, bestfiction said:

Wait so the whole thing was a setup by a Selena hater account?

yeah on twitter selenators even doxxed him lol and now this thread is full of political statements lol

[reputaoty]

4 hours ago, Digitalism said:

Imagine if this thread was called Selena attends a black friend's wedding and the comments were the same.

Some of you are just masking your anti semitism as anti zionism. And I have always been againts the estate of israel but no, attending a jewish wedding has nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza. 

Atrl should just close this. 

 

atrl won't cuz even the moderators hate selena gomez and okay dislike her but close this mess lol its gettin out of the main topic atp

[heckinglovato]

I understand that anti-Semitism commonly refers to discrimination/hatred against Jewish people and that semites can be anti-Semitic too, but telling a semite that he's anti-Semitic for calling out Zionism (a genocidal belief that ended up in the murder and subsequent refuge of his people) and not for actual anti-Semitism is a) laughable, b) willfully ignorant, and c) a tired propagandist attempt by Israel to distort the truth and get people to refrain from speaking up against its history, present, and the murderous/hateful nature of its political system.