celeb news NBA's Josh Giddey Sex Scandal: 15-year-old sex partner hires Gloria Allred

[DeadInside]

A 15 year old is enough to consent imo. She knew what she was doing. What's the difference between a 15 year old having intercouse with an 18 yr old vs 21 yr old? Does 3 more years really make her suddenly a victim . There are teenagers out there who murder. The military literally goes to high schools to recruit. We need to stop coddling these people. 

[X~MoviePoP]

Question.

 

Has there ever been a case where the minor was proven to have pursued someone older on purpose for the clout and or money?

 

Genuine question.

[suburbannature]

20 minutes ago, DeadInside said:

A 15 year old is enough to consent imo. She knew what she was doing. What's the difference between a 15 year old having intercouse with an 18 yr old vs 21 yr old? Does 3 more years really make her suddenly a victim . There are teenagers out there who murder. The military literally goes to high schools to recruit. We need to stop coddling these people. 

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[khalyan]

21 minutes ago, DeadInside said:

A 15 year old is enough to consent imo. She knew what she was doing. What's the difference between a 15 year old having intercouse with an 18 yr old vs 21 yr old? Does 3 more years really make her suddenly a victim . There are teenagers out there who murder. The military literally goes to high schools to recruit. We need to stop coddling these people. 

This is super weird. 
 

There is an obvious, abusive power imbalance between a 21yo and a 15yo. 
 

Also, the military going to schools to recruit is awful and shouldn’t be allowed either. 
 

[QueenBLadyG]

25 minutes ago, DeadInside said:

A 15 year old is enough to consent imo. She knew what she was doing. What's the difference between a 15 year old having intercouse with an 18 yr old vs 21 yr old? Does 3 more years really make her suddenly a victim . There are teenagers out there who murder. The military literally goes to high schools to recruit. We need to stop coddling these people. 

FBI, we have a predator 

[QueenBLadyG]

On 11/29/2023 at 12:18 AM, The7thStranger said:

21 and 15 in and of itself doesn’t freak me out. But given that he’s a public figure with lots of money and influence, I do wonder about her safety. Athletes have a tendency to get away with their crimes or only receive minimal punishment, which leaves her with little safety.

There are some legit weirdos infesting this site...

[jakeisphat]

The law is the law. If a state determines that 16 is the age of consent, the motive of someone under 16 is not going to save the adult that had sex with them. Same reason a person can’t claim they thought the person was older and go free. 
 

Some of the comments here do concern me a bit. Where do those saying he did nothing wrong draw the line? If a college junior gets a pass for sleeping with high school sophomores, does a college sophomore get a pass for sleeping with a high school freshman? Does a college freshman get a pass for sleeping with an 8th grade junior high student? If we’re going to give him a pass, where do we draw the line? 
 

Regardless if the girl wanted clout… she is 15 years old. What 15-year-old doesn’t want attention, especially in 2023? Does that mean she’s mature enough to accurately gauge the consequences of pursuing an adult male 6 years older than her? I don’t think it does. I certainly don’t feel that at 15 I was mature enough to make decisions where I was putting my safety first. On the other hand, I think at 21 I certainly was mature enough to make decisions with appreciation of the consequences. And especially for 21-year-old NBA player - it bothers me that people seem to be blaming the teenager or trying to vilify her for being a 15-year-old. He is a grown man with a lot to lose. Why he would choose to engage in sex with a minor is beyond me…
 

I also find it interesting that when these scandals happen with black athletes they are sanctioned immediately and prevented from playing, but when we have a white athlete, we’re now making excuses, blaming the minor, and allowing him to play ball while actively being criminally investigated for statutory rape? None of this is making sense. And I really hope some of y’all aren’t out here ******* minors because any adult should know better. Including Josh Giddey. This is not a case of high school sweethearts with an age gap. 

[bad guy]

I know I didn't just read that a 21 year old hooking up with a 15 year old is okay from multiple people in here  

[blaggot]

anyone in here condoning a 20-21 year old having sex with a 15-16 year old needs to be monitored 

[DeadInside]

13 minutes ago, jakeisphat said:

The law is the law. If a state determines that 16 is the age of consent, the motive of someone under 16 is not going to save the adult that had sex with them. Same reason a person can’t claim they thought the person was older and go free. 

The law does not equal morality. There are some countries where you can marry off a 12 year old girl to a 60 year old man. Does that make it okay just because it's legal? No. So the reverse is also true, just because something is illegal doesn't make it immoral.

 

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Some of the comments here do concern me a bit. Where do those saying he did nothing wrong draw the line? If a college junior gets a pass for sleeping with high school sophomores, does a college sophomore get a pass for sleeping with a high school freshman? Does a college freshman get a pass for sleeping with an 8th grade junior high student? If we’re going to give him a pass, where do we draw the line? 

Why do we have to draw a line? I'm not arguing for legality's sake, I'm arguing for the concept of it. Something being illegal doesn't make something "wrong". Having these hard limits on consent is so weird to me. If a 15 year old girl brags about having sex with a 17 year old it's fine, she's not a victim. But if that 17 year old guy turns 18 the next day, suddenly he's a r*pist?? How does that make sense?

 

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Regardless if the girl wanted clout… she is 15 years old. What 15-year-old doesn’t want attention, especially in 2023? Does that mean she’s mature enough to accurately gauge the consequences of pursuing an adult male 6 years older than her? I don’t think it does. I certainly don’t feel that at 15 I was mature enough to make decisions where I was putting my safety first. On the other hand, I think at 21 I certainly was mature enough to make decisions with appreciation of the consequences. And especially for 21-year-old NBA player - it bothers me that people seem to be blaming the teenager or trying to vilify her for being a 15-year-old. He is a grown man with a lot to lose. Why he would choose to engage in sex with a minor is beyond me…

Maturity is so subjective though. There are mature 15 year olds and immature 21 year olds. Some 15 year olds work and take care of their younger siblings while some 21 year olds never worked a day in their life and still have mommy and daddy take care of everything for them. Thinking someone is more mature just because they're older is ridiculous. An 18 year old is "mature" enough to have sex with someone 60 years older than them but a 15 year old can't consent to someone 6 years older? But if they're 3 years older it's fine??! Literally doesn't make sense.

[DeadInside]

1 hour ago, X~MoviePoP said:

Question.

 

Has there ever been a case where the minor was proven to have pursued someone older on purpose for the clout and or money?

 

Genuine question.

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Giddey, in the reports, was unaware of her age when they hooked up and upon learning that she was not 19 the following day, immediately terminated their link together, as per "Code Sports".

The girl is said to have gained access to a night club that only admits over 18s according to The New York Post, so in this scenario it would be Giddey's reasonable expectation for her to have been an adult instead of a minor.

https://www.marca.com/en/basketball/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/2023/12/02/656b08fb268e3e925d8b4594.html

Sounds like the answer is yes, this very case .

[Cain]

1 hour ago, DeadInside said:

What's the difference between a 15 year old having intercouse with an 18 yr old vs 21 yr old? Does 3 more years really make her suddenly a victim . 

Literally yes? Lmao

 

Also the ‘she knew what she was doing’ about a literal child, disgusting 

[The7thStranger]

3 hours ago, QueenBLadyG said:

There are some legit weirdos infesting this site...

While I would have have questions myself, I don't think there's much about the specific ages 21 and 15 that automatically means a person has (or has not) achieved a specific level of maturity. Society chose 16~ as the age of consent and 18 - 21 as adulthood completely arbitrarily, and I've seen people on this site refer to relationships between 20 and 40 year olds pedophilia (). My point is that this stuff is not so black and white. 21 and 15 could be entirely problematic, but that's entirely contingent on their level of maturity and whether there is manipulation happening.

 

I'd be happy to read your thoughts on it if you'd like to type out more than just a petty insult, though.

 

(Infest? Really? I'd love for you to expand on that.)

Edited December 5, 2023 by The7thStranger

[Badger]

5 hours ago, DeadInside said:

A 15 year old is enough to consent imo. She knew what she was doing. What's the difference between a 15 year old having intercouse with an 18 yr old vs 21 yr old? Does 3 more years really make her suddenly a victim . There are teenagers out there who murder. The military literally goes to high schools to recruit. We need to stop coddling these people. 

Say this in a courtroom I dare you

[Anthinos]

A 15 year old is not a child but a teenager. People throw around words like child or pdf way too often. However, I agree with everyone who says that what he did is wrong. A 20 year old should not be in a relationship with a 15 year old. No matter how mature the person seems. You have to draw the line somewhere. What's next? Are we going to normalize 12-year-olds? I think 18 is a good limit. But I also find it a bit strange that she bragged about it. I wouldn't say she's 100% the victim here. The situation is complex.

[JoeAg]

disgusting, lock his ass up and throw the key tbh 

 

what the hell would he even feel like he has in common with her? that's another thing that always befuddles me, like you're in TOTALLY different stages of y'all lives 

[Hurem]

ngl her "just ****** x" snap is sending me  

[Moloko Plus]

Going to keep my comments to myself  The girl clearly knew what she was doing and got her life in the process. Very dumb decision on the basketball players part. Her family clearly sees a cute payday by hiring Gloria Allred although the relationship was most likely always consensual.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Moloko Plus

[Archetype]

16 hours ago, DeadInside said:

https://www.marca.com/en/basketball/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/2023/12/02/656b08fb268e3e925d8b4594.html

Sounds like the answer is yes, this very case .

So not only did she lie to get into an 18+ year old club (probably with a realistic fake, TBD), but he ceased communicating with her once he learned she lied.  If this is true, then it’s pretty obvious he had no way to verify her age.  

Edited December 5, 2023 by Archetype

[Moloko Plus]

4 minutes ago, Archetype said:

So not only did she get into an 18+ year old club and lie about her age, but he ceased communicating with her once he learned she lied.  If this is true, then it’s pretty obvious he had no way to verify her age.  

Oop. But according to everyone here a 15 year old is simply incapable of thinking for herself and making her own decisions. 

[WheresJay]

18 hours ago, DeadInside said:

A 15 year old is enough to consent imo. She knew what she was doing. What's the difference between a 15 year old having intercouse with an 18 yr old vs 21 yr old? Does 3 more years really make her suddenly a victim . There are teenagers out there who murder. The military literally goes to high schools to recruit. We need to stop coddling these people. 

This one right here officer!!!!!

[DeadInside]

1 hour ago, Moloko Plus said:

Her family clearly sees a cute payday by hiring Gloria Allred although the relationship was most likely always consensual.

Exactly, her family is getting a big paycheck and his reputation, and possibly career, is ruined because he was lied to. Yet he's a predator according to some. 

[jakeisphat]

20 hours ago, DeadInside said:

The law does not equal morality. There are some countries where you can marry off a 12 year old girl to a 60 year old man. Does that make it okay just because it's legal? No. So the reverse is also true, just because something is illegal doesn't make it immoral.

 

Why do we have to draw a line? I'm not arguing for legality's sake, I'm arguing for the concept of it. Something being illegal doesn't make something "wrong". Having these hard limits on consent is so weird to me. If a 15 year old girl brags about having sex with a 17 year old it's fine, she's not a victim. But if that 17 year old guy turns 18 the next day, suddenly he's a r*pist?? How does that make sense?

 

Maturity is so subjective though. There are mature 15 year olds and immature 21 year olds. Some 15 year olds work and take care of their younger siblings while some 21 year olds never worked a day in their life and still have mommy and daddy take care of everything for them. Thinking someone is more mature just because they're older is ridiculous. An 18 year old is "mature" enough to have sex with someone 60 years older than them but a 15 year old can't consent to someone 6 years older? But if they're 3 years older it's fine??! Literally doesn't make sense.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that a 17-year-old that sleeps with a 15-year-old would then be considered a rapist after turning 18 the next day? At the time of the encounter they weren't an adult. But if they do turn 18 and continue to have sex with minors that are under the age of consent in their jurisdiction, that is on them if they want to take the risk of a statutory rape conviction - because it is possible. At the end of the day, we are not talking about a 2 year age gap in this scandal. It is a 6 year age gap. We are also not talking about other countries, this happened in the U.S. There are clearly people here who have decided he is innocent because they see nothing wrong - I was just pointing out why that isn't going to save him. The comment "why do we have to draw a line?" is problematic to me, because you and a few others here seem to be arguing that age does not matter if the minor is mature for their age. Do you think a 19-year-old is moral if they have sex with a "mature" 13-year-old. Do you think a 18-year-old sleeping with a "mature" 12-year-old is moral? The fact that you acknowledge that maturity is subjective is exactly why a line needs to be drawn and "hard limit" consent laws need to exist. If states in America were adjudicating sex with minors based on whether it was moral or the minor was mature, who is going to intervene to protect the child when the fact finder goes too far and claims it was moral for an adult to sleep with a pre-teen/young teenager because that minor was "mature". The thought of that is terrifying. 

 

3 hours ago, Moloko Plus said:

Oop. But according to everyone here a 15 year old is simply incapable of thinking for herself and making her own decisions. 

No, "everyone" here is not saying that. Of course a teenager can think for themselves and make their own decisions - that does not mean they are mature enough to fully gauge the safety of their actions or the consequences of them. It is the exact reason why most juvenile offenses are accompanied by lighter punishments and why most juvenile convictions remain sealed - because it is common knowledge that minors are not mature enough to fully appreciate the consequences like an adult would. You can argue all day about whether laws should be based on morality and not on age thresholds, but at the end of the day, this is a girl who isn't even old enough to have a driver's license. There is no basis to assume she fully appreciated the consequences of her choice to have a relationship with a celebrity given her age. 

 

Also, to people claiming this is all due to her lying about her age on a single night - if that's the case, why was he communicating with her brother? Why was he telling people that she's "his girl." Why did she tell her high school friends in a video that the two of them were dating? There are too many unknowns to be declaring that this was a one night incident , that he was lied to, and and that she's some scheming teenager who pursued him for money.  

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