celeb news Swifties are divided over the silence of Taylor/Taylor Nation about the late Swiftie

[starsailor]

Of course nothing will happen. All american news said that Taylor TEARLY sang that EMOTINAL song WITH ALL HER HEART for Ana. But without mentioning her name, of course, because she is "too sad to talk about it on her shows" lmao.

[BNF91]

Absolutely horrible. 

 

 

[WokeEqualist]

42 minutes ago, Frappucino said:

Isn’t Taylor a known eco terrorist tho? That Karma song is hitting differently now. 

Brazil has always been a tropical country and heat waves have always existed. Gtfo with that 8th-grade level education. 

 

What happened with this girl is an incredibly unfortunate mix of factors. Standing under the scorching Brazilian sun for hours during a heat wave and immediately getting in an overcrowded stadium (that had no ventilation or water bottles available) with thousands of other people is not something smart to do whether you all want to admit it or not. Let this be a lesson that no concert or artist is worth risking your life or well-being for.

 

 

[qurl]

back from being banned after accurately describing how the situation will likely play out and it’s still just so very silly to me how 14 pages in and the majority of swifties are more concerned with the optics and media perceptions of it all than they are expressing grief and sadness for the girl that lost her life  hope i don’t get banned again for objectively point out that more than a couple of y’all in here only care whatsoever and are doing unpaid PR spin bc you’re worried how this could affect Taylor’s image, it’s so sad!

[istan4badgalriri]

On 11/21/2023 at 9:39 AM, istan4badgalriri said:

She'll obviously do something about this, she's probably just plotting a PR move that's gonna make her look as the hero in this situation (as per usual)

nn how predictable

[Mr.X]

1 hour ago, LittleStarmen said:

its safer to volunteer in gaza than rio at this point

Disgusting, vile and racist comment

[tiaog]

For all of you talking bullshit and trying to switch the fault towards the victim, Ana’s friend has told the press that they had water the entire day and were hydrated.

[Mr.X]

1 hour ago, DougAF said:

There’s blame on both the organizer and the fan. I’ve been to many GA shows and never once showed up early to get a spot near the front, ESPECIALLY in sweltering heat. Did they at least bring water for when they were waiting outside the stadium for hours? I saw they had a black umbrella which might as well have been a heat radiator. 

 

We also literally don’t know what caused the cardiovascular event, it literally could have been Taylor first popping up from the stage. 

There's a huge heatwave, it was known for ages. It is the organiser's and the artists responsibility to make sure the space, the place and how the event is MANAGED is done in a safe way for all. Yes Taylor is also to blame here. For years now she has cultivated a cult-like connection with her fans, and stadium shows are meant to have people crammed in for as much profit as possible. When it is done without consideration for the fans, and after years of cultivating rabbid-like fandoms like this then you get results like this. Taylor isnt the only one to blame here, lots of huge artists hold similar relationship with their fans. But at least most of them show that they at least care - or try to.

 

So no, it is never the fan's fault. You provide a service, you have to ensure that the service is safe to use. People blaming the fans is bullshit and quite frankly, vile.

[Abracadabra]

I don't get the comments from some swifties saying "I'm sure she will help them", "let's wait and see what happens", the family need help NOW, they needed help days ago when they didn't have the money to transport Ana's body, they need help now to plan a funeral that they probably don't have the means for, the help is kinda too late if it comes in days/weeks/months. I'm just baffled by the response to this, even the social media story she posted was rather cold in its tone and didn't even refer to Ana by her name. And please, don't say this is "stan wars", I can guarantee you've never seen me posting something negative about Taylor on this site.

 

I keep seeing swifties saying that everyone is just making assumptions, but the whole idea that Taylor can't do or say anything due to a potential lawsuit is also pure assumption. And there's virtually no precedent for an artist being held responsible for a fan passing away from a medical episode at their show, unless their actions contributed to their death like Astroworld. And even if she was concerned about a lawsuit, there's absolutely no way that passing along condolences to the family would be detrimental to that.

[Bussea]

4 hours ago, stupidjock said:

This is the problem coming from thinking that if something is not ‚reported’ on the twitter gossip account then it didn’t happen, completely forgetting that things are happening also outside of the internet but since thats the space that fans can’t reach it’s like it doesn’t exist to them

!!! 

 

people are so conditioned to think everything needs to be posted on social media and that they need to know absolutely everything for it to be true. we need to understand that we don’t actually know these people and not everything needs be handled publicly not to mention the same people calling for her to make statements are going to call it performative and PR

 

[tiaog]

Another truth is that this story just hasn’t really made much noise in the US because the american media is again in love with her and that stupid relationship - that’s what’s selling magazines and attracting clicks and they want to keep it like that.

 

If something like that had happened a couple of years ago we would have a VERY different response.

[Aiya]

This thread  one side attacking Taylor, the other side doing too much defending her. She clearly should contact her family and do everything that needs to be done. Maybe she is just waiting investigation to end, we don’t know, however there’s no denying it looks bad so far. 
 

can’t imagine how horrible it is for Anna’s family and friends right now. 

Edited November 22, 2023 by Aiya

[MissedTheTrain]

1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said:

Maybe, but I think most people understand that incidents like this are in the hands of the promoters and venue staff. If this was going to become a true scandal for her in the international press and in international public opinion, it already would have happened. Even most of those who are the most vocally critical of her apparently having not reached out directly know that the blame for what happened to Ana lies with T4F. Tragic accidents happen somewhat regularly at and around concerts, but seldom affect the performer’s reputation unless it’s an Astroworld situation where the performer was encouraging dangerous behavior.

 

It might not seem like it since the discussions online are still so emotional, but when things settle after she leaves Brazil - and, in all likelihood, does in fact reach out to the family and do what she can - the public opinion in Brazil will likely focus more on T4F’s negligence and their culpability in a preventable death. Certainly if Taylor never makes contact, though, there will continue to be criticism of her handling of the aftermath of the situation, but I just can’t see that happening.

It would just be so wildly out of character that I don’t see it being very reasonable to think she’ll never make contact. Maybe the Page Six article was right, and she’s reached out, but so was Ana’s cousin, and contact has not actually been made yet - because she reached out through a lawyer or Tree or some other avenue and things are moving slowly. Or maybe she’s waiting until things quiet down because she thinks that’s more respectful of the family’s need of time and space to grieve. Maybe she’s held up by an investigation, maybe there’s some other reason. But it just wouldn’t be like her to never directly make contact, even if it’s as simple as quietly and privately paying funeral costs (and I think she would have payed to help them retrieve Ana’s remains, but that was an unexpected development and fans raised funds to cover that quite quickly).

 

And while this may not be right, the truth is that public opinion outside Brazil mostly began and ended with simply reading a news article about the tragedy and Taylor’s initial response. It’s a difficult situation on all sides, and I think the reason some people are so upset is that they know this incident will fade from memory for most fans and international audiences by the time the week is out. There’s some sense that hearing from her sooner is better because it would close that gap before the press moves on to the next story.

Very well said.

 

 

[byzantium]

15 minutes ago, Mr.X said:

Yes Taylor is also to blame here.

Where are all those people claiming “no one is blaming Taylor”? 

[sunbathinganimal]

1 hour ago, LittleStarmen said:

its safer to volunteer in gaza than rio at this point

??????????

[Aiya]

This thread  one side attacking Taylor, the other side doing too much defending her. She clearly should contact her family and do everything that needs to be done. Maybe she is just waiting investigation to end, we don’t know, however there’s no denying it looks bad so far. 
 

can’t imagine how horrible it is for Ana’s family and friends right now. 

[More Than A Melody]

1 hour ago, byzantium said:

Well that is another piece of the situation. Clearly she has a poor relationship with T4F right now, but she is contractually obligated to have two more shows in Brazil.  She can’t just burn all bridges and unilateral cancel the shows now so she has to maintain some working relationship for at least a week. 
 

Then the question is, what should she she say to the family? The unfortunate reality is nothing anyone does will bring Ana back.  Like let’s say she is able to get the phone number of Ana’s mother, and she calls giving her deepest sympathies and letting her know how heartbroken she is.  (Basically what she personally expressed in the letter she posted) Do you think that will placate the media and posters on ATRL?  What if she sends a card and a bouquet of flowers. Is that what people want? 
 

I think the underlying issue here is people blame Taylor for what happened and thus feel a grand response (beyond what she has already done is expected.). 

Why does it matter what the media and posters on ATRL think about it? She should call the family because it's the right thing to do, not because of people's reactions. Robbie Williams is also in the wrong for not reaching out, btw. I do think it's weird, this double standard. There's literally no posts about it when it's the same loss of life. It's bizarre to me.

 

If I have a party and a friend of a friend dies in my house through no fault of my own, then I'm going to give my grievances to the family!!!! Because it's the humane thing to do!!!!! How is it possible that these huge international artists are having fans DIE at their concerts WHILE they're performing and they're not reacting to it? It's a human life that was lost. I feel like the world is upside down, considering this is somehow not something that's universally accepted and we're over here having circular arguments about it.

 

Taylor should absolutely NOT do a grand response. It is not her place nor her responsibility to do that. I do think that her behavior from the past with fans shows that she should help the family economically, particularly because she knows T4F will do nothing and Ana died wearing an I ♥ TS shirt while she was performing. Taylor has donated money and helped fans in way less sad and extreme circumstances. Not because she bears responsibility on her death, but because I do think Taylor cares about her fans... and because she has shown time and time again that she has this crazy close relationship with them. How would fans of color and Brazilian fans feel if this was the one exception where she does nothing? The poor friend that went to a concert and had to watch her friend die (after being resuscitated multiple times) instead?

 

Just condolences to the family in private and covering the funeral costs with absolute silence in the media would be MORE than enough. I have faith that she will do that. She still has time. Then if it comes out (and it probably will), it comes out. And what ATRL and Brazilian media think about it should be of no concern to her at all. I'm sure it's not something she's losing sleep about.

 

I do agree that there's some users who are being awful and trying to cast blame on her simply because they don't like her, but that doesn't mean that the argument of "idk man, she should... do something" is wrong.

[spiritboy]

I can't at some people blaming Taylor like she caused her death 

 

I'm sure she's very sad about Ana's death but let's wait and see if she'll contact them or not. Maybe she'll visit them after her Brazilian concerts finish?

 

Two workers have died in France in 2009 while setting up Madonna's stage and she visited the injured workers at hospital and visited the house of the man that died. Maybe Taylor will do the same?

[gustavothehuman]

32 minutes ago, Aiya said:

This thread  one side attacking Taylor, the other side doing too much defending her. She clearly should contact her family and do everything that needs to be done. Maybe she is just waiting investigation to end, we don’t know, however there’s no denying it looks bad so far. 
 

can’t imagine how horrible it is for Anna’s family and friends right now. 

It doesn't look just bad, it looks atrocious. Some long-time fans are heartbroken here in Brazil. I really hope things get sorted out once this leg ends, but for now there is no prospect.

[Aiya]

4 minutes ago, gustavothehuman said:

It doesn't look just bad, it looks atrocious. Some long-time fans are heartbroken here in Brazil. I really hope things get sorted out once this leg ends, but for now there is no prospect.

It’s just devastating. I feel so sorry for them

[JOJO335]

5 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Im honestly heartbroken of how everyone is ignoring this angel too.
He attended the concert and was a swiftie and killed just cause he went after the concert to the beach at night,
I was not aware rio was that dangerous
He had his friendship bracelet on  

Well... most big cities are dangerous if you're walking alone at 3 a.m.

This is a very sad story indeed

[The7thStranger]

I'm shocked she still hasn't made an announcement. I gave her the benefit of the doubt, but this is just isn't right.

[fauxtography]

Its telling she cares more about headlines and press about her new relationship rather than caring about a fan that passed at her show do to dangerous conditions.

[AvadaKedavra]

7 minutes ago, JOJO335 said:

Well... most big cities are dangerous if you're walking alone at 3 a.m.

This is a very sad story indeed

Youre right. Thats the hour where everything bad happens  but Sometimes i wanna walk in the middle of the night  
Hope he's in peace in a better place   he should be honored too  praying these two souls are in peace in a better planet. 

[AvadaKedavra]

5 hours ago, Selegend said:

it is dangerous but not that dangerous. taylor's weekend was something else. 

That was the weird thing to me. My dad was there and he had the greatest time and he has pictures in the christ statue.  

Looks like Criminality has rised worldwide since the pandemic.  Im from Bogota Colombia and the city got so so dangerous after the pandemic
Probably the high inflation and bad economy in the moment all over the planet. 

Or maybe That arrival of Taylor was cursed. Something strange happened. Everything just went wrong  so many artists have toured Brazil and things went great for them
 

Edited November 22, 2023 by AvadaKedavra