celeb news Swifties are divided over the silence of Taylor/Taylor Nation about the late Swiftie

[Dear Reader]

Whatever your position is on this subject, blaming a girl who’s DEAD is not it and will never be. Stop embarrassing yourselves just because you want to defend Taylor. I agree that the focus should be on T4F on her death, but Taylor still needs to reach out to her family one way or another, otherwise you have to accept that it is indeed very disappointing. 

[Honey Beé]

I hope they sue. 

[byzantium]

4 minutes ago, Edu said:

standing in line to secure a good spot is normal fan behavior, don't pretend like it's not

Sure, it is normal, but it is also voluntary.  Of course the normalcy of it does make it predictable which is why the organizers are in part responsible, but I feel like some people are losing sight of reason here in this thread. 

[Cruel Summer]

26 minutes ago, Asscatchem said:

this is potentially taylor's most damaging scandal ever. the kimye thing may have blew up bigger but the ramifications are peanuts compared to this.

"a girl died at a taylor swift concert." even though taylor is not technically responsible, the optics are that blood is on her hands.

Maybe, but I think most people understand that incidents like this are in the hands of the promoters and venue staff. If this was going to become a true scandal for her in the international press and in international public opinion, it already would have happened. Even most of those who are the most vocally critical of her apparently having not reached out directly know that the blame for what happened to Ana lies with T4F. Tragic accidents happen somewhat regularly at and around concerts, but seldom affect the performer’s reputation unless it’s an Astroworld situation where the performer was encouraging dangerous behavior.

 

It might not seem like it since the discussions online are still so emotional, but when things settle after she leaves Brazil - and, in all likelihood, does in fact reach out to the family and do what she can - the public opinion in Brazil will likely focus more on T4F’s negligence and their culpability in a preventable death. Certainly if Taylor never makes contact, though, there will continue to be criticism of her handling of the aftermath of the situation, but I just can’t see that happening.

It would just be so wildly out of character that I don’t see it being very reasonable to think she’ll never make contact. Maybe the Page Six article was right, and she’s reached out, but so was Ana’s cousin, and contact has not actually been made yet - because she reached out through a lawyer or Tree or some other avenue and things are moving slowly. Or maybe she’s waiting until things quiet down because she thinks that’s more respectful of the family’s need of time and space to grieve. Maybe she’s held up by an investigation, maybe there’s some other reason. But it just wouldn’t be like her to never directly make contact, even if it’s as simple as quietly and privately paying funeral costs (and I think she would have payed to help them retrieve Ana’s remains, but that was an unexpected development and fans raised funds to cover that quite quickly).

 

And while this may not be right, the truth is that public opinion outside Brazil mostly began and ended with simply reading a news article about the tragedy and Taylor’s initial response. It’s a difficult situation on all sides, and I think the reason some people are so upset is that they know this incident will fade from memory for most fans and international audiences by the time the week is out. There’s some sense that hearing from her sooner is better because it would close that gap before the press moves on to the next story.

[byzantium]

1 minute ago, Dear Reader said:

Whatever your position is on this subject, blaming a girl who’s DEAD is not it and will never be. Stop embarrassing yourselves just because you want to defend Taylor. I agree that the focus should be on T4F on her death, but Taylor still needs to reach out to her family one way or another, otherwise you have to accept that it is indeed very disappointing. 

Do you think the media firestorm happening has delayed anything happening?  It does feel like given the current emotional responses from the various parties that there really is no correct decision she can make without upsetting people further.  

[AvadaKedavra]

38 minutes ago, Asscatchem said:

this is potentially taylor's most damaging scandal ever. the kimye thing may have blew up bigger but the ramifications are peanuts compared to this.

"a girl died at a taylor swift concert." even though taylor is not technically responsible, the optics are that blood is on her hands.

The American Media is not posting about this. I wonder if theyre in Tree Paine Payroll.
The way Taylor control the media in the States is insane
Theyre all silent. If they post about this and gets traction i think will be real over for Taylor.
Crazy how  brazilians fans are not pressuring american journalists to post about this. 

I have seen some threads about this on Reddit. Fauxmoi. PopCulture chat. So many are real dissapointed about Tay

I seriously dont get what is goin on. This so weird. Why is Taylor silent? This silence is damagin her reputation
Girl say something. Do something.  

Edited November 22, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[Dear Reader]

6 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Do you think the media firestorm happening has delayed anything happening?  It does feel like given the current emotional responses from the various parties that there really is no correct decision she can make without upsetting people further.  

I have no idea. It might be because of her contract with T4F and she’s avoiding saying anything before the Brazil shows end. If she doesn’t say anything or reaches out to Ana’s family by next week we might as well assume she will just stay out of it, unfortunately. 

[Tiago Gomes]

in english, if you want read:

 

[byzantium]

1 minute ago, AvadaKedavra said:

The American Media is not posting about this. I wonder if theyre in Tree Paine Payroll. The way Taylor control the media is insane
Theyre all silent. If they post about this and gets traction i think will be real over for Taylor.
Crazy how fans are not pressuring journalists to post about this. 

I have seen some threads about this on Reddit. Fauxmoi. PopCulture chat. So many are real dissapointed about her

I seriously dont get what is goin on. This so weird. Why is Taylor silent? This silence is damagin her reputation

This is not true though.  Pretty much every American media outlet that reports on celebrity news reported that Taylor’s show was affected by a heat wave and a person unfortunately died.  Most people recognize this as a tragedy.  
 

More American new outlets reported on the Taylor show than the woman that died at the Robbie Williams show last Monday in Sydney. 

[AvadaKedavra]

2 minutes ago, byzantium said:

This is not true though.  Pretty much every American media outlet that reports on celebrity news reported that Taylor’s show was affected by a heat wave and a person unfortunately died.  Most people recognize this as a tragedy.  
 

More American new outlets reported on the Taylor show than the woman that died at the Robbie Williams show last Monday in Sydney. 

But theyre not reportin about this situation yet. Thats where the real damage is
If taylor stays silent and just ignore this i think this will haunt her for years  

 

Edited November 22, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[LittleStarmen]

8 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Im honestly heartbroken of how everyone is ignoring this angel too.
He attended the concert and was a swiftie and killed just cause he went after the concert to the beach at night,
I was not aware rio was that dangerous
He had his friendship bracelet on  

its safer to volunteer in gaza than rio at this point

 

 

*I am from there

Edited November 22, 2023 by LittleStarmen

[ttsmu]

4 minutes ago, byzantium said:

This is not true though.  Pretty much every American media outlet that reports on celebrity news reported that Taylor’s show was affected by a heat wave and a person unfortunately died.  Most people recognize this as a tragedy.  
 

More American new outlets reported on the Taylor show than the woman that died at the Robbie Williams show last Monday in Sydney. 

Are they reporting about Taylor's silence in all of this?

[DougAF]

“BLaMiNG a giRL fOr HeR OwN DeAtH”

 

Some of you are just so… 

 

I know it’s hard for some of you to comprehend, but sometimes we do hold some of the accountability for our deaths. 

 

If you jaywalk and get hit by a car, or drive drunk and crash into a tree, believe it or not, you could have altered your choices slightly and would still be around. 
 

People saying I’m not empathetic because I’m pointing the sad reality out? Don’t get me wrong, it’s incredibly sad and tragic what happened to her, but would she still be here if she didn’t stand out in the sun all day prior to the show underneath a heat absorbing umbrella? 

[ttsmu]

Just now, DougAF said:

“BLaMiNG a giRL fOr HeR OwN DeAtH”

 

Some of you are just so… 

 

I know it’s hard for some of you to comprehend, but sometimes we do hold some of the accountability for our deaths. 

 

If you jaywalk and get hit by a car, or drive drunk and crash into a tree, believe it or not, you could have altered your choices slightly and would still be around. 
 

People saying I’m not empathetic because I’m pointing the sad reality out? Don’t get me wrong, it’s incredibly sad and tragic what happened to her, but would she still be here if she didn’t stand out in the sun all day prior to the show underneath a heat absorbing umbrella? 

Just shut the f up.

[Frappucino]

2 minutes ago, DougAF said:

but would she still be here if she didn’t stand out in the sun all day prior to the show underneath a heat absorbing umbrella? 

Isn’t Taylor a known eco terrorist tho? That Karma song is hitting differently now. 

[DougAF]

Just now, ttsmu said:

Just shut the f up.

You first. You want to grandstand? Where’s the picture of your donation/contribution to Ana’s family? You clearly feel very passionately about it given how ******* annoying you have been in every thread, so where’s the action? 

[DougAF]

3 minutes ago, Frappucino said:

Isn’t Taylor a known eco terrorist tho? That Karma song is hitting differently now. 

The transparency of these kinds of posts. Really invalidate all of the other ones, huh? 

[PoisonPill]

Blaming the dead girl is not the way to go y’all. The blame is entirely on the venue and management which had ample opportunity to take measures for the dangerous heat conditions - and seemingly neglected to. If anyone is held legally liable in this, it’ll be them.

[latingrl2005]

55 minutes ago, Asscatchem said:

this is potentially taylor's most damaging scandal ever. the kimye thing may have blew up bigger but the ramifications are peanuts compared to this.

"a girl died at a taylor swift concert." even though taylor is not technically responsible, the optics are that blood is on her hands.

Travis Scott is doing perfect fine.

[byzantium]

2 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

I have no idea. It might be because of her contract with T4F and she’s avoiding saying anything before the Brazil shows end. If she doesn’t say anything or reaches out to Ana’s family by next week we might as well assume she will just stay out of it, unfortunately. 

Well that is another piece of the situation. Clearly she has a poor relationship with T4F right now, but she is contractually obligated to have two more shows in Brazil.  She can’t just burn all bridges and unilateral cancel the shows now so she has to maintain some working relationship for at least a week. 
 

Then the question is, what should she she say to the family? The unfortunate reality is nothing anyone does will bring Ana back.  Like let’s say she is able to get the phone number of Ana’s mother, and she calls giving her deepest sympathies and letting her know how heartbroken she is.  (Basically what she personally expressed in the letter she posted) Do you think that will placate the media and posters on ATRL?  What if she sends a card and a bouquet of flowers. Is that what people want? 
 

I think the underlying issue here is people blame Taylor for what happened and thus feel a grand response (beyond what she has already done is expected.). 

[Arrows]

When something bad happens, it’s human nature to try and find someone or something to blame. Brazilian culture, global warming, Taylor and her team, the venue, or even the victim herself, which is totally unfair. None of these are to blame entirely. 
 

I do think it’s starting to get weird that Taylor hasn’t offered at least funeral expenses. Despite her obviously not being personally responsible for anything that happened, it would just make sense for her to do, and is kind of common courtesy when something like this happens.

 

I’m still pretty sure something will happen, but I really don’t know what’s holding her back. For her long history of letters, donations, flowers, presents etc., it’s really out of character. If really hope there’s a very good reason that we just don’t know about. 

[byzantium]

14 minutes ago, ttsmu said:

Are they reporting about Taylor's silence in all of this?

They reported that Taylor posted a letter about how sad and full of grief about the tragedy.  This is very much in line with how other similar situations are handled.  Like when people die at baseball games and football games it is reported and the teams express their sympathies.  

[Erotic]

At the end of the day this is a tragedy, and to see it being weaponized from every angle is extremely sad and very telling of the nature of this wolf eat wolf world.

 

I hope her family finds the peace and closure that any deserves after such a tragic loss, I hope event organizers learn from these occurrences and reform shows to provide a safer environment, and I hope Taylor is able handle this emotionally and maturely, because say what you want about her, but she genuinely loves her fans. 

[Theluckyone]

This is extremely out of character for Taylor, and if it’s indeed true she hasn’t bothered to reach out, it’s pretty disappointing… 

[Infinite]

46 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

The American Media is not posting about this. I wonder if theyre in Tree Paine Payroll.
The way Taylor control the media in the States is insane
Theyre all silent. If they post about this and gets traction i think will be real over for Taylor.
Crazy how  brazilians fans are not pressuring american journalists to post about this. 

I have seen some threads about this on Reddit. Fauxmoi. PopCulture chat. So many are real dissapointed about Tay

I seriously dont get what is goin on. This so weird. Why is Taylor silent? This silence is damagin her reputation
Girl say something. Do something.  

she is corrupt we been knew!