Bey'Knight Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Last Boy on Earth said: Some eloquent swift came up with that theory on twitter and they're all running away with it to make themselves believe it makes any sense I made a joke about it a while ago but they’ll excuse anything. The depths they’ll reach are astounding, and frankly, disturbing. To deify a living breathing person to the extent that you don’t admit they’re flawed like everyone else is beyond toxic. 3
PoisonPill Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Xtina23 said: I'm almost positive her public response is going to be something around the lines of "I've been thinking about what to say these past couple of days..." to avoid any accountability/damage to her image. I've worked with PR before. SMH. Hope no one forgets that Taylor didn't treat another human with the minimum respect after passing. The way y’all are just inventing scenarios and then attacking her for it Edited November 22, 2023 by PoisonPill 3 1 3
turuni Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 TS proved herself to be a disgusting human being with this 6 1 5
PoisonPill Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Marry The Gods said: Her evil fans trying to paint her family as money hungry crooks Ya'll really are a cult. No one’s said that except for that one random poster who just appeared.
Blue Monday Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 lol the backflips and front handsprings being done in here to deflect a perfectly valid criticism, as if Swifties don’t hang on every word of criticism when it’s targeted at literally any other female artist. Standom really has rotted your brains 4
Peroxide Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 For as someone who’s as obsessed with optics as Taylor is - I am still convinced there’s more at play here… If nothing comes of this, then I’ll be disappointed… so will a lot of fans. But we do need to keep in mind, Taylor bares no responsibility for this tragedy one or the other… she’s not culpable. If she was planning to announce Reputation TV next week whilst performing I Did Something Bad (my God, the irony) it’s not going to be a good look
chiliam Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 The fact that this approach 10 pages and the Page Six thread got 2 pages really show people true color and choose what they gonna choose believe. I mean everything is still unclear. But some of you guys are gonna find a negative way to spin this situation in Taylor no matter what. 2 5 15
Capris Groove Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 How much money do you think it's cost for her team to sit around and strategize and get all these PR pieces out? Surely much more than simply helping the family from day 1. The fact that the working class had to crowdfund to get this girl's body home is outrageous. 3
G.U.Y_Del_Rey Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) It's so weird and out of character that she's not saying or doing anything for the family , maybe there's some legal stuff involved, I dunno. Edited November 22, 2023 by G.U.Y_Del_Rey
kexin Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, chiliam said: The fact that this approach 10 pages and the Page Six thread got 2 pages really show people true color and choose what they gonna choose believe. I mean everything is still unclear. But some of you guys are gonna find a negative way to spin this situation in Taylor no matter what. And when she does reach out, it’ll be “she took way too long to contact them”. I do hope Ana’s family get all the support that they will need. 3 1
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted November 22, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted November 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Capris Groove said: How much money do you think it's cost for her team to sit around and strategize and get all these PR pieces out? Surely much more than simply helping the family from day 1. The fact that the working class had to crowdfund to get this girl's body home is outrageous. What PR pieces? Taylor is in the press, sure, she literally always is. Nothing seems out of the ordinary on that front.
Yoko Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 open your wallet and make your statement and hurry it tf up
Capris Groove Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 1 minute ago, MissedTheTrain said: What PR pieces? Taylor is in the press, sure, she literally always is. Nothing seems out of the ordinary on that front. That Page Six piece seems quite planted to me.
Shelter Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, kexin said: And when she does reach out, it’ll be “she took way too long to contact them”. I do hope Ana’s family get all the support that they will need. We could say that now.
bad guy Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, RideOrDie said: your abnormal parasocial hatred for an artist you don't know disguised by your cloak of righteousness never fails to surprise me This typical stan war'd tactic of shouting out "hAtEr!!!" might work when its about music discourse but the family of a fan that died at her show has yet to here from her. Have some decency at least. The ability of some Swifties to make excuses for literally everything she does, all while trying to flip the narrative on people critical of her as "haters" as if she's the victim never fails to surprise me either. I guess her fans in here who are also calling a spade a spade have a parasocial hatred for her as well, whatever the **** that means Edited November 22, 2023 by bad guy 8 1
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted November 22, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted November 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Capris Groove said: That Page Six piece seems quite planted to me. I disagree. Think about it....Taylor, who has pretty much always stepped up and helped in these kinds of situations....would rather avoid it, spend all of this extra effort to bury it in the press, knowing how the optics look...rather than simply pay the family to help, which would be even better PR for her? That doesn't make any sense. Again, Taylor is known for putting her money where her mouth is in these situations. And for someone who tries to keep a clean image, she knows that the best solution for everyone would be to reach out and help financially. There's very clearly more at play here, and I'm guessing her legal team has told her to stay quiet about it for now. Despite it not being her fault by any means, this is a tragedy that occurred at her show, and considering how messy the venue company seems to be....they could easily try to throw this back at her. Reaching out/helping financially could very clearly be pointed out as her "admitting fault" if/when a lawsuit occurs. There's a lot at play here and it's an extremely delicate situation. Taylor's track record shows that it would be out of character for her to not help. There's pretty clearly more to this situation than a lot of people seem to realize. 1 4 6
PoisonPill Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, RideOrDie said: your abnormal parasocial hatred for an artist you don't know disguised by your cloak of righteousness never fails to surprise me I think (hope) we can all agree that Ana’s death is awful and those venue conditions should never have been allowed. But what I find gross is the people exploiting it as an opportunity to throw mud on a celebrity they dislike, while fashioning themselves as morally superior even though they couldn’t actually care less about Ana’s family other than using them as a cudgel on an Internet forum. 7
byzantium Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 2 hours ago, réveuse said: I am angry about the fact that the news that Miss Benevdies' family got in contact with Taylor was a LIE So you are all hot and bothered that the New York Post’s celebrity gossip column might not be completely accurate? Girl, get ahold of yourself. 13
Watson! Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tusk said: I really don’t care if she reaches out or not. None of my business and has no effect on my fandom. some of you are really disgusting Edited November 22, 2023 by Watson! 5 2
HappierJealousy Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) Some people here really believe Taylor has the money to pay for a PR article (thousands of dollars at the very least) but refused to pay like $20000 for a decent funeral Needless to say she is the MPG that connect and show her love to her fans the most, and caring her fans is one of the most important part of her public image. She has spent millions of dollar in charity since the start of the tour if you guys ever bothered to Google it. Ronan, a 2012 charity single inspired by her passed fan, has generated millions of profits and all of them is donated for fighting against the cancer. The whole situation is highly-suspicious and every people here talking about her “cold heart” or “greedy” is just reversing the history. There must be some reasons stop her talking or reaching out to Ana’s family. Perhaps she is indeed a cold heart person and pretend to be generous all the time, but she is the one caring her own image the most and this will never change. Edited November 22, 2023 by HappierJealousy 9 1 13
Villas Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 What a disaster PR move, honestly. For someone who values her fans as Taylor does, it’s such a shame that her Latin fans are getting this kind of treatment
FolkLover1989 Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) Ig it's time for me to log off and stop defending Taylor This is absurd. Can't believe she is ignoring them this. There is nothing wrong in reaching out. No one is asking her to pay Edited November 22, 2023 by FolkLover1989 9
hawx23 Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 I feel like people here are conflating three issues: 1. Whether Taylor should help the family for expenses 2. Whether Taylor should say anything about it publicly, and what she should say 3. Whether Taylor should contact the family in private. The fact that she hasn't done 3 is what bothers people.
Into The Void Posted November 22, 2023 Posted November 22, 2023 I really don't think Taylor would be sued for any reason because this death is not her fault. It was the lack of ability to provide a safe enivornemtn by the organizers and venue. T4F rightfully is at fault and the show Friday obviously should have been postponed. This is a mess.
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