base talk Does Taylor have a song as good as "Frozen"?

[GlamSlam]

6 minutes ago, ElleDriver said:

"Experimentation" and it's just dumbed down electronica of the late 90s

 

Ot: well yes! Like most of her disco is better written than that pretentious, empty bore 

"Dumbed down electronica"

 

Go and tell that to the awards ceremonies who awarded her 35 awards for the Ray of Light album.

 

But apparently, ElleDriver from ATRL knows better than any of them.

[SlowGinFizzzz]

She doesn't. But to be fair, hardly anyone does. The only songs I could possibly think of that might be on the same level would be Confide In Me (which admittedly Kylie didn't actually write herself) and Don't Speak. I do think Taylor has it in her to write a masterpiece like Frozen, but for that she would have to leave her current path of easily digestible, pseudo-deep radio-ready songs and really push herself and her writing; and considering her albums are selling like crazy anyway and even critics praise her as if she were some kind of revolutionary writer, I doubt she ever will. 

[Dark Miracles]

15 hours ago, Ron Ng said:

Yes, it's Delicate. They're equally good

Not the 2013 Panic At The Disco era rehash!

[iamanearthling]

1 hour ago, PoisonedIvy said:

She was a teenager writing sentiments that most other teenagers do not have the foresight to write about at that time in life. I’m not acting like it was a lyrical masterpiece worthy of the highest literary accolades, but to act like Taylor Swift has only ever written about being angry about men is ludicrous when her debut album’s primary theme is the reflection on identity and how it shapes our goals, our fears, and our connections with others. 
 

“When all you wanted was to be wanted,

Wish you could go back
And tell yourself what you know now

 

Back then I swore I was gonna marry him someday,

But I realized some bigger dreams of mine

& Abigail gave everything she had to a boy

Who changed his mind

And we both cried” 

 

Like you’re trying to clown this?? This is wisdom beyond her years.

Fifteen is a gem. 
And for sure better written than frozen.

Haters gonna hate I guess.

[Oktober Knight]

I mean, ME! alone is better than Madonna's discography as a whole so... 

[Trainwreck]

Any song on folklore/evermore is undoubtedly better than anything Madonna has released since Hard Candy. Maybe Taylor doesn't have a single song just as good as Frozen although I dare to say seven/false god put up a good fight against it, but Taylor's last 3 studio albums are astronomically better than Madonna's last 4 studio albums. Stop living in the past!

Edited November 9, 2023 by Trainwreck

[Sweetness]

3 hours ago, ElleDriver said:

"Experimentation" and it's just dumbed down electronica of the late 90s

 

Ot: well yes! Like most of her disco is better written than that pretentious, empty bore 

Clearly you never listened to the Ray of Light album because nothing about it is dumbed down, the song Fozen itself is just more simple compared to everything else on it. Drowned World and Ray of Light are lyically miles better than what Taylor has written.

[Alexz]

4 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Well first off Taylor’s allure is that her album cuts are much stronger and deeper than her singles, but sure let’s do this

 

I’m Only Me When I’m With You — a song from her debut album that expresses her adoration for the people in her life that help her feel like she can be her authentic self.

 

Fifteen — a song from second album Fearless about the pressures of entering high school and being pressured into giving up parts of yourself, a very vulnerable and raw tale inspired by her best friend

 

Mean — a song from her third album Speak Now about the negative perceptions others have towards you and how you can repurpose that sadness into ambition that fuels your growth, change, and success 

That’s 3 examples from her first 3 albums, the further you go in her career the less “MEN ARE EVIL” songs you’ll find. By reputation and Lover she basically ended up with -no- negative songs about ex lovers because she was so in love with her current.
 

and Mind you NONE of the 1989 singles are about heartbreak, which is the initial point you made that you’re asking to be disproved. Red is pretty much her only “heartbreak” album.
 

And when you ignore her singles her catalogue has songs about grief and loss and fear of death like Ronan or Soon You’ll Get Better or Safe & Sound, songs about depression or anxieties like peace, hoax, or mirrorball, complex songs about infidelity like ivy, August, or illicit affairs.. etc. 

 

These are the songs that are better than Frozen?

[PoisonedIvy]

6 minutes ago, Alexz said:

These are the songs that are better than Frozen?

No, I named the songs I think that are -as good as- Frozen on the first page.
 

In the post you quoted, I was just responding to someone who tried to insinuate Taylor only writes songs/releases singles that are scornful towards men when that has never been true even since her debut. 

Edited November 9, 2023 by PoisonedIvy

[Doogle]

Does anyone?

[PoisonPill]

9 hours ago, LittleStarmen said:

Can you prove me in terms of singles?

No, I’m not going to put together research for a stranger on the internet.

[UseYourIllusion2002]

On 11/8/2023 at 11:46 AM, Capris Groove said:

Madonna choosing "Frozen" as the lead single instead of "Ray of Light" (which the studio wanted for obvious reasons) for her comeback album is never mentioned but it's one of the biggest risks she ever took. It could have sank the whole album. It did NOT sound like anything on the radio at the time. The fact that it smashed was incredible.

 

Anyone else would have played it safe.

 

So I gotta vote no.

The fact that "Frozen" was a bigger radio hit too  peaked at no. 7 while ROL peaked at no. 25

[jjmed59]

production and sound/vibes wise? no. taylor has never been able to do atmospheric pop well. and no, nothing on midnights, aka her worst pop album, reaches frozen’s ankles. 

 

lyrically, absolutely  like others have said frozen isnt about the lyricism. and taylor has written circles around madonna like cmon now lets be serious.  

[jjmed59]

On 11/9/2023 at 11:37 AM, ElleDriver said:

"Experimentation" and it's just dumbed down electronica of the late 90s

 

Ot: well yes! Like most of her disco is better written than that pretentious, empty bore 

you could argue that all of taylors music is dumbed/water down versions of that genre. actually you could argue any mainstream pop stars music is that. you thought you ate

[Apostolis]

77 people have to get permabanned idgaf

[Cheers]

Perhaps not. But Taylor’s overall discography is kinda better and more consistent.  

[HardBambi]

Answer is no but the song that comes closest to Frozen is Style

[UnusualBoy]

Love Tay but no.

[I54X]

Style

[Blackout2006]

no.

[Strawberry Bubble]

ME!

[Redstreak]

On 11/9/2023 at 4:15 AM, GlamSlam said:

 

There's nothing interesting or unique about that music whatsoever, so I assume your talking lyrics.

 

Aside from Madonna's long list of classics, here's an example of something that's well written, and sonically unique (no third rate Coldplay-esque generic tracks allowed)

 

While we're on the subject of unique, has Taylor ever turned her hand to something as interesting as Shanti / Ashtangi or Skin?

 

Would Taylor ever think of fusing Jazz with R&B together and adding sultry spoken poetry on top?

 

What about this?

 

Has TS ever wrote a heartbreaking song about losing a friend to AIDS?

 

and these are just the tip of the iceberg. So, to answer you're question, YES. Madonna has much better songs than "Treacherous", sonically and lyrically.

Girlie the question is “good as”, don’t see what “interesting” has to do with that. And none of those are *as good* as Treacherous

[blown away]

It's hard to say. They are in very different leagues. The only thing they have in common is the astonishing levels of success they have.

 

I think Taylor could never make a song like Frozen or Ray Of Light, it wouldn't work. Just like Madonna could never make a song like Exile or All Too Well, it wouldn't work either.

[GlamSlam]

2 hours ago, Redstreak said:

Girlie the question is “good as”, don’t see what “interesting” has to do with that. And none of those are *as good* as Treacherous

Firstly, I'm not a "Girlie", so don't misgender me. Secondly, Taylor still doesn't have a song as good as Frozen (nor as interesting), so both work in this instance, but you're entitled to you're wrong opinion, I suppose.

[Mystic Boy]

1 hour ago, blown away said:

 Just like Madonna could never make a song like Exile or All Too Well, it wouldn't work either.