base talk Does Taylor have a song as good as "Frozen"?

[enchanted0]

Enchanted is better and I’m 100% serious

[She-Rah]

taylor and her nursery rhymes could never match the otherworldliness of Madonna’s frozen

Edited November 9, 2023 by She-Rah

[aesthetic bih]

Of course she does. Y'all just like to **** on Taylor

[AxelFox]

Definitely an apples vs oranges situation here

 

But personally I would say Taylor's best song would not sit in a top20 Madonna's best songs 

[Life Savers]

Is there a reason why OTH have latched on to Madonna now?

 

Anyway, yes, Taylor has several songs as good as Frozen, which is itself a perfect song.

[aesthetic bih]

10 hours ago, Goaty said:

Frozen is good, but it’s not the greatest song ever. Naturally I’m not surprised to see so many in here turn their noses up at any mention of Taylor as if the very comparison itself is sacrilegious. 

This. Frozen's lyrics and melodies are good, but what made it truly great is its instrumental. It's haunting and unique. They are acting like Taylor cannot write lyrics and melodies as good as Frozen and they are obviously being biased

[aesthetic bih]

10 hours ago, Axelios said:

Why are people acting like Frozen lyrics are somewhat special 

'Love is a bird, she needs to fly'

What makes Frozen interesting for its time is mostly the production not the lyrics/melodies

Finally. A reasonable post in this thread. The only time ROL-era Madonna was on her Shakespeare-bag was Mer Girl - now that's poetry 

[Ger.vaz]

Several 

[aesthetic bih]

10 hours ago, Axelios said:

Why are people acting like Frozen lyrics are somewhat special 

'Love is a bird, she needs to fly'

What makes Frozen interesting for its time is mostly the production not the lyrics/melodies

Ngl if I haven't heard Frozen yet, I would've thought this was a Katy Perry lyrics

[Life Savers]

3 minutes ago, aesthetic bih said:

Ngl if I haven't heard Frozen yet, I would've thought this was a Katy Perry lyrics

The way this is true 

[Kill Me]

The real question should be, does Madonna have a song as good as this?

 

[GlamSlam]

2 hours ago, Miss Americana said:

The real question should be, does Madonna have a song as good as this?

 

 

There's nothing interesting or unique about that music whatsoever, so I assume your talking lyrics.

 

Aside from Madonna's long list of classics, here's an example of something that's well written, and sonically unique (no third rate Coldplay-esque generic tracks allowed)

 

While we're on the subject of unique, has Taylor ever turned her hand to something as interesting as Shanti / Ashtangi or Skin?

 

Would Taylor ever think of fusing Jazz with R&B together and adding sultry spoken poetry on top?

 

What about this?

 

Has TS ever wrote a heartbreaking song about losing a friend to AIDS?

 

and these are just the tip of the iceberg. So, to answer you're question, YES. Madonna has much better songs than "Treacherous", sonically and lyrically.

Edited November 9, 2023 by GlamSlam

[Taemira]

ME!

All Too Well (10 Mitune Version)

This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things

End Game
So It Goes...
Getaway Car
Call It What You Want

betty

ivy

22

WANEGOD

Clean (Taylor's Version)

Last Kiss

 

are all better than Frozen.

[JoeAg]

Frozen is so overrated on here lol

 

the real gems of that album are the title track, The Power of Goodbye, Drowned World / Substitute for Love, Shanti / Ashtangi, Little Star, and Mer Girl

 

 

so yeah, obviously Taylor has PLENTY that are as good if not far better than Frozen. a few in no order: Seven, Lavender Haze, The Archer, You're on Your Own Kid, Tolerate It, Champagne Problems, Closure, Right Where You Left Me, Epiphany, My Tears Ricochet, August, Enchanted, Innocent, No Body No Crime, Dorothea, Marjorie, The Lakes, The Last Great American Dynasty, Cardigan, Exile, The Last Time, State of Grace, Holy Ground, The Lucky One, Eyes Open... oh man I could go on forever lol

[GlamSlam]

The delusion in here is staggering. Those are well written songs, but the music itself is so basic and vanilla. Madonna's experimentation in sound is what sets her way above Taylor and that's the truth.

[Frappucino]

No. 

[GraceRandolph]

2 hours ago, Miss Americana said:

The real question should be, does Madonna have a song as good as this?

 

At least pick Sad Beautiful Tragic...

[Rv1709]

I haven’t had frozen in a while - a classic.

 

Both different artists though. Taylor’s writing is superior 

[Badgalbriel]

1 hour ago, GlamSlam said:

 

Has TS ever wrote a heartbreaking song about losing a friend to AIDS?

 

Let's just start by stating that first, she needs to have a friend with Aids. But she has a much better song called Ronan, about a little boy who died from cancer 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Badgalbriel

[Shelter]

No and she could never pull off a song like that. Madonna really was amazing. 

[Badgalbriel]

41 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

At least pick Sad Beautiful Tragic...

Treacherous is just superior. That last chorus is heavenly 

[GlamSlam]

42 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Let's just start by stating that first, she needs to have a friend with Aids. But she has a much better song called Ronan, about a little boy who died from cancer 

Except Madonna literally had a personal connection to those she was writing about, much like when she wrote "Promise to Try" about her Mother who passed away from breast Cancer when she was 5.  She didn't write either of those songs from reading about it in a magazine, ect (which was the 90s equivalent of reading a social media post).

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, GlamSlam said:

Except Madonna literally had a personal connection to those she was writing about, much like when she wrote "Promise to Try" about her Mother who passed away from breast Cancer when she was 5.  She didn't write either of those songs from reading about it in a magazine, ect (which was the 90s equivalent of reading a social media post).

and so does taylor? lol wth is this comment 

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, GlamSlam said:

Except Madonna literally had a personal connection to those she was writing about, much like when she wrote "Promise to Try" about her Mother who passed away from breast Cancer when she was 5.  She didn't write either of those songs from reading about it in a magazine, ect (which was the 90s equivalent of reading a social media post).

I don't care about what personal connection Madonna had or even the subject matter what matters in only the result and Taylor songs tend to be lyrically superior to Madonna even when she was just a teenager.

[GlamSlam]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

and so does taylor? lol wth is this comment 

Oh, she was a friend or a relation? Maybe I was wrong.