base talk Does Taylor have a song as good as "Frozen"?

[PoisonedIvy]

6 minutes ago, G.U.Y. said:

The lyrics are too mundane to be compared to Frozen. It's a country song with different instrumentation.

Vintage tee, brand new phone
High heels on cobblestones
When you are young, they assume you know nothing
Sequin smile, black lipstick
Sensual politics
When you are young, they assume you know nothing
But I knew you
Dancin' in your Levi's
Drunk under a streetlight, I
I knew you

Not debating you

 

Just adding context I learned from a video recently. The lyrics actually have more complexity than you might initially recognize, when you analyze them. They’re contrasting ideas in each line that highlight conflicting ideas much like the narrator’s struggle throughout the song.
 

VINTAGE (classic, old) tee

BRAND NEW phone

 

High heels (a pretty modern shoe)

on cobblestones (antiquated pavement)

 

Sequin smile (shiny, bright, sparkly)

BLACK lipstick (dark, dim, drab)

 

Sensual (intimate, private, hushed)

Politics (abrasive, public)

 

I’ll try to find the TikTok and post in this thread  it really made me appreciate cardigan a lot more 

 

[Goaty]

Frozen is good, but it’s not the greatest song ever. Naturally I’m not surprised to see so many in here turn their noses up at any mention of Taylor as if the very comparison itself is sacrilegious. 

[Goaty]

The lyrics to Cardigan are not mundane. It’s a masterclass in playing with tone, double-meanings, and irony. There’s a reason it’s widely considered one of Taylor’s best-written songs to date. 

[The Next Day]

16 minutes ago, G.U.Y. said:

The lyrics are too mundane to be compared to Frozen. It's a country song with different instrumentation.

Vintage tee, brand new phone
High heels on cobblestones
When you are young, they assume you know nothing
Sequin smile, black lipstick
Sensual politics
When you are young, they assume you know nothing
But I knew you
Dancin' in your Levi's
Drunk under a streetlight, I
I knew you

That's really not it. There's not just only one way to tell a good story. Taylor likes to describe detailed scenes, Madonna concentrates on simplicity to express emotion. Also you could post so many lyrics that sound boring on paper:

 

"You′re so consumed with how much you get
You waste your time with hate and regret
You're broken
When your heart's not open

 

If I could melt your heart
We′d never be apart
Give yourself to me
You hold the key"

 

This could just as well be a good country/blues-song on paper.

Edited November 8, 2023 by The Next Day

[Axelios]

Why are people acting like Frozen lyrics are somewhat special 

'Love is a bird, she needs to fly'

What makes Frozen interesting for its time is mostly the production not the lyrics/melodies

[G.U.Y.]

4 minutes ago, Goaty said:

The lyrics to Cardigan are not mundane. It’s a masterclass in playing with tone, double-meanings, and irony. There’s a reason it’s widely considered one of Taylor’s best-written songs to date. 

I didn't mean the lyrics aren't good. They are "concrete", just like most of Lana's work (she also doesn't have a song like Frozen).

I think some of songs on Reputation have a more abstract/reflective approach - being canceled may be the hardest think Taylor endured during her career.

 

Sonically, even Style or Lavender Haze are closer to Frozen than Cardigan is.

Edited November 8, 2023 by G.U.Y.

[Goaty]

1 minute ago, G.U.Y. said:

I didn't mean the lyrics aren't good. They are "concrete", just like most of Lana's work (she also doesn't have a song like Frozen).

 

But the original question isn’t whether Taylor has a song like Frozen. She doesn’t. The question is - does she have a song as good as Frozen. So I’m not sure why you’re hung up on pointing out differences here when that’s not the point of the thread. 

[Goaty]

5 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Why are people acting like Frozen lyrics are somewhat special 

'Love is a bird, she needs to fly'

What makes Frozen interesting for its time is mostly the production not the lyrics/melodies

!!! Seriously  

 

Frozen’s brilliance is in the production, melody, and vocal delivery. The lyrics are successful but certainly not a highlight of the song. 

[G.U.Y.]

1 minute ago, Goaty said:

But the original question isn’t whether Taylor has a song like Frozen. She doesn’t. The question is - does she have a song as good as Frozen. So I’m not sure why you’re hung up on pointing out differences here when that’s not the point of the thread. 

Next thread: Does Mrs. Petty have a song as good as Frozen?

[ParisxHilton]

Madonna has the fan favourite (and best song in her discography) Give Me All Your Luv

[HASHTAGPOW]

None

[Prodigal Self]

Yes.

[Ron Ng]

Yes, it's Delicate. They're equally good

[dawnettakins]

No. Next question.

[littlebodybigheart]

several

[Soda Pop Queen]

lol I'm sure she does to some here. Should've asked does she have a video as good as Frozen. Nothing particularly sticks in my mind with a Taylor visual, no matter how high her budgets are.

[Sabrina Carpenter]

just listened to Frozen for the first time and it's not even that good? so yes 90% of Taylor's discography is better than that

[Reflektor_Creep]

Frozen sweetie 

[Cleanromantic]

One of the most overrated songs on one of the most overrated albums on atrl 

[FailSafe]

All Too Well

Edited November 9, 2023 by FailSafe

[ICLDXU4HS]

59 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

One of the most overrated songs on one of the most overrated albums on atrl 

This, so much. 
 

Spoiler

Obviously still better than any Taylor song, though, but yeah…

 

[Kiss It Better]

So It Goes... aka her best song and that's it

[Raver]

Style is better than Frozen 

[Gorjesspazze9]

Lol 

[unclefloprry]

+30 songs