base talk Taylor Swift's rival in commercial success is only The Beatles, agree?

[JaXXXon]

Just now, Cruel Summer said:

Two albums, one of this was ac try ally not his, and with plenty of opportunity to release more versions had it been deemed financially viable. “Anyways.”

How old are you? It wasn’t deemed financially viable because he was making enough money on one version and had 10 million people in the US buy one copy each and not like Taylor’s three million people buying multiple copies each. 
 

Also, 20 million sold of one album by Eminem vs. not even crossing 10 million of an album by Swift. We know who the bigger artist is. 

[Cruel Summer]

Just now, JaXXXon said:

How old are you? It wasn’t deemed financially viable because he was making enough money on one version and had 10 million people in the US buy one copy each and not like Taylor’s three million people buying multiple copies each. 
 

Also, 20 million sold of one album by Eminem vs. not even crossing 10 million of an album by Swift. We know who the bigger artist is. 

I’m going to need a source that the average Taylor consumer purchases three or more copies for your first claim, and for the second I’m going to need to correct you and let you know that Midnights is well on its way to 20 million units - on top of her other albums that have already made it to that mark.

[Harrier]

Some absolute clockings in here, Taylor is certainly on her way to being one of the biggest artists of all time in the anglosphere in terms of raw stats, but it is absolutely clear that in Europe, Latin America and Asia, she is dwarfed by the success of The Beatles, MJ and Madonna and even also 1 tier down by the likes of Mariah, Queen & Whitney etc. It's very arrogant of swifites to suggest that because she is in her cultural peak right now with the re-records and the eras tour, she has surpassed the global success of these artists with 30-60 year legacies.

 

Even within just the anglosphere you would be hard pressed to argue Taylor has anything with even slightly comparable impact and classic status of an album like Thriller. No one is going to remeber 1989 in the 2050s the way Thriller is remembered now 

[JaXXXon]

16 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

I’m going to need a source that the average Taylor consumer purchases three or more copies for your first claim, and for the second I’m going to need to correct you and let you know that Midnights is well on its way to 20 million units - on top of her other albums that have already made it to that mark.

And Eminem’s album is at now at 35 million units based on that same source you’re using so regardless he’s way ahead of Taylor. 
 

And you damn well know Taylor fans buy an album and then stream at home (you probably do that yourself) and then there are some that buy a vinyl alongside that. You’re not fooling anyone.

 

But thanks for reminding me that Eminem’s album is bigger. 

[JaXXXon]

15 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Some absolute clockings in here, Taylor is certainly on her way to being one of the biggest artists of all time in the anglosphere in terms of raw stats, but it is absolutely clear that in Europe, Latin America and Asia, she is dwarfed by the success of The Beatles, MJ and Madonna and even also 1 tier down by the likes of Mariah, Queen & Whitney etc. It's very arrogant of swifites to suggest that because she is in her cultural peak right now with the re-records and the eras tour, she has surpassed the global success of these artists with 30-60 year legacies.

 

Even within just the anglosphere you would be hard pressed to argue Taylor has anything with even slightly comparable impact and classic status of an album like Thriller. No one is going to remeber 1989 in the 2050s the way Thriller is remembered now 

CLEAR them 

[Mystic Boy]

 

Hmmm....Another awkward thread and failed attempt i see.....

Just smile and nod y all 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Mystic Boy

[byzantium]

9 hours ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

8Mile CD sold 5,440,000 Million certified units in the USA in 2002. 

 

The Eminem Show CD Sold 12,430,000 Million certified units in the USA in 2002. 
 

within that year he also continued to sell albums from The Marshall Mathers LP & The Slim Shady LP during 2002

 

33.3M+ original albums sold in 2002, 17.8M from the United States from Chartmasters.org 

I think you are confusing total units sold with units sold in 2002.  Because if the Eminem show sold 12.4 million in 2002, that would mean it has not sold anything since which is obviously wrong.  

[Digitalism]

Musical landscapes are kinda impossible to compare

We will know in 50 years if Taylor is as relevant as the Beatles are today

[The Music Industry]

10 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

They make it too easy 

 

So not only is Taylor Swift trailing behind The Beatles, Madonna, MJ, Adele and Lady Gaga outside of Anglosphere but their whole reason for making this thread is now DRAGGED harder than non-Anglosphere stats drag Taylor’s entire career by Eminem 

 

The Swifties truly keep losing. 

You quoting that and acting cocky only to be immediately proven wrong since they used total units instead of yearly units

aren't you tired of being clocked sis

Edited November 5, 2023 by The Music Industry

[stevyy]

1 hour ago, Digitalism said:

Musical landscapes are kinda impossible to compare

We will know in 50 years if Taylor is as relevant as the Beatles are today

in 53 years please. Let's see, if she can score #1 hits in 53 years from now. 

[Avenger]

No I don't agree. 

[Touchdown]

People actually had to spend their own money to purchase music in the past, chart success nowadays is basically meaningless. 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Touchdown

[Cruel Summer]

3 minutes ago, Touchdown said:

People actually had to spend their own money to purchase music in the past, chart success nowadays is basically meaningless. 

People also have to spend their own money to subscribe to streaming services.

[Touchdown]

2 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

People also have to spend their own money to subscribe to streaming services.

10 dollars a month to access every artists catalogue is different than 16.99 for an artists physical album. It's completely different now. Just accept it. 

[Cruel Summer]

Just now, Touchdown said:

10 dollars a month to access every artists catalogue is different than 16.99 for an artists physical album. It's completely different now. Just accept it. 

Yes, it is different, a fact that I accepted when I accepted modern methods of quantifying commercial success. It is indeed different - that’s why a stream only counts as a tiny, tiny fraction of a sale, to account for the tiny proportion of your monthly subscription fee that pays for that stream.

[Arrows]

9 hours ago, Harrier said:

No one is going to remeber 1989 in the 2050s the way Thriller is remembered now 

And no one remembers any Elvis album today the way Thriller is remembered, yet he is one of the biggest artists of all time.

[Touchdown]

It's interesting too that in this environment Taylor hasn't amassed more #1's. 

[Richie.Valdez]

6 minutes ago, Arrows said:

And no one remembers any Elvis album today the way Thriller is remembered, yet he is one of the biggest artists of all time.

Swifties are something else… 

 

 

[The Music Industry]

8 minutes ago, Touchdown said:

It's interesting too that in this environment Taylor hasn't amassed more #1's. 

Girl what...? She's literally replacing herself from #1 this week. 

 

[Arrows]

14 minutes ago, Touchdown said:

It's interesting too that in this environment Taylor hasn't amassed more #1's. 

She got 6 #1’s in the past 3 and a half years.

[sasashite]

8 minutes ago, Touchdown said:

People actually had to spend their own money to purchase music in the past, chart success nowadays is basically meaningless. 

Poor argument.

 

People has to spend their money when subscribing to streaming services.

Chart success back then was heavily relied on radio, which is not payed.

Taylor has made more money with music than any other artist in history with the exception of Paul McCartney probably.

[makeme]

If I say yes will you guys stop making threads like this? 

[Arrows]

8 minutes ago, Richie.Valdez said:

Swifties are something else… 

 

 

Did I say something wrong? Thriller is the biggest album of all time and obviously Taylor won’t have one that remembered, but neither will any other artist in history. It doesn’t necessarily say much about Taylor’s commercial success either, the thing this thread is about.

[Touchdown]

4 minutes ago, sasashite said:

Poor argument.

 

People has to spend their money when subscribing to streaming services.

Chart success back then was heavily relied on radio, which is not payed.

Taylor has made more money with music than any other artist in history with the exception of Paul McCartney probably.

It's an excellent argument because I'm talking about sales. Radio although not payed for, people still physically called into the stations to request those songs.

[sasashite]

17 minutes ago, Touchdown said:

It's interesting too that in this environment Taylor hasn't amassed more #1's. 

What? Taylor has 13 #1 albums, more than any artist this century.

 

Now it would be funny if you're talking about #1 songs because Taylor debuted during a time where people actually had to purchase a song, which seems to be the focus of your argument. And she's literally the top-selling artist for singles in US history.

 

Take Mariah Carey, for instance. She hails from an era when the Hot 100 chart was predominantly influenced by radio airplay, and it wasn't so necessary for people to buy a song for it to reach #1. Ironically, when sales became a more significant factor in the Hot 100 formula and the chart was no longer so based on radio, Mariah stopped amassing #1s frequently.