base talk Taylor Swift's rival in commercial success is only The Beatles, agree?

[Eternium]

4 minutes ago, Axelios said:

You are so delusional it's insane 

 

The girls always have the same response when their fave is the one called out for payola.

 

Take it up with Spotify’s CEO:

https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/music-biz-commentary/spotify-payola-artist-rights-alliance-1170544/amp/

 

 

Your fanbase was dragging the BTS girls when they were using streaming farms and boosting their numbers but now that it’s your fave, anybody who speaks up on it is “delusional.” Ok  

[Dr. Alexander]

I honestly believe The Beatles didn’t sell as much as they say they did. Sales weren’t accurately reported until the mid-90s, after SoundScan was founded. Before then, record stores, labels, and executives, could report any number they wanted to and pass it off as legitimate

Edited November 4, 2023 by Dr. Alexander

[Axelios]

8 minutes ago, Eternium said:

The girls always have the same response when their fave is the one called out for payola.

 

Take it up with Spotify’s CEO:

https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/music-biz-commentary/spotify-payola-artist-rights-alliance-1170544/amp/

 

 

Your fanbase was dragging the BTS girls when they were using streaming farms and boosting their numbers but now that it’s your fave, anybody who speaks up on it is “delusional.” Ok  

Not the "discovery mode" again...

You are compeletely insane

[wastedpotential]

1 hour ago, Axelios said:

Not the "discovery mode" again...

You are compeletely insane

As I said yesterday when that user was trying it, some of these theories are just as passed-through-asylum-walls as the flat-earth, fake moon landing level of delusional conspiracy. 

 

I will say that it's notable that almost every user with a strong opposing opinion in this thread has either been a fan of an artist who, at one point in their career, seemingly had the chance to reach this commercial tier but never made it (Britney fans, Gaga fans, Rihanna fans), or are fans of artists who have been or will shortly be surpassed by Taylor (mostly that one Mariah fan, but I'm sure there are some secret Madonna fans breaking down in here as well). They're all pressed that it's Taylor getting this success and not their fave, or that their "legendary" fave is being lapped by Taylor right now with ease 

[taylorrrr]

2 hours ago, Eternium said:

Taylor’s sales in the U.S.:

1989 - 6,400,000 (5 hits, 1 underperformance, 1 flop)

Reputation - 2,415,000 (2 hits, 2 underperformances, 1 flop)

Lover - 1,710,000 (3 hits, 1 flop)

folklore (deluxe) (the long pond studio sessions) - 2,225,000 (1 underperformance)

Evermore (deluxe) - 1,225,000 (1 underperformance)

Midnights (Deluxe) (3 AM Edition) (Til Dawn) (Late Night) - 2,465,000 (1 hit, 2 underperformances)

 

The sales have been significantly worse despite being bolstered by constant re-releases and editions and she’s scoring fewer hits. It’s clear she’s using the same tactics that artists like Drake are to boost their streaming stats. 

It’s funny because the Taylor stans used to be so united against payola and fraudulent Spotify streams, but now if you mention anyone defrauding streaming, they go psycho. I posted about Drake getting caught on both Spotify and YouTube for payola with “Life Is Good” and the entire fanbase had a meltdown  

Can you post her streams from 2016-2019, when she actually scored hits, and compare them to 2020-2023? 

 

While you’re at it, would you post the records for largest drops on US radio to prove Taylor Swift would never use payola?  

Firstly, you're talking about streaming farms and suddenly you're talking about pure sales which has no logical link? 

 

Secondly, I asked for evidence for your claim about streaming farms which you did not bother to bring up any. 

 

Thirdly, why has Radio Payola got to do with the streaming farm?

 

I made a simple request to provide the evidence, if you don't understand, please clarify rather than typing a whole chunk of delusional essay.

 

If you're too young and can't stay in a factual debate, please stop quoting this because I ain't wasting time to debate with a 3-year-old. 

[stevyy]

3 hours ago, Arrows said:

Lmao

 

1. MJ

2. Beatles

3. Elvis

4. Madonna

5. Taylor

 

Everyone happy now?

never.

 

1. Beatles

2. John Lennon solo

3. Paul McCartney solo

4. Wings

5. MJ

6. Elvis

7. Madonna

8. Whitney

9. George Harrison

10. Whitney Houston

--

 

63. Taylor Swift

[Cruel Summer]

29 minutes ago, stevyy said:

never.

 

1. Beatles

2. John Lennon solo

3. Paul McCartney solo

4. Wings

5. MJ

6. Elvis

7. Madonna

8. Whitney

9. George Harrison

10. Whitney Houston

--

 

63. Taylor Swift

This list doesn’t make any sense for a lot of reasons, but my favorite reason is that Wings, independent of Paul’s truly solo material, has moved less units in the US and globally than Taylor has already moved this year alone. 

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Cruel Summer said:

This list doesn’t make any sense for a lot of reasons, but my favorite reason is that Wings, independent of Paul’s truly solo material, has moved less units in the US and globally than Taylor has already moved this year alone. 

Yeah I guess that user read a list that marked out Paul as (excl Wings) or whatever and decided that they must also be one of the biggest acts of all time 

[dawnettakins]

Taylor wishes she could have even a quarter of the talent and impact as the The Beatles. Numbers and stats aren't everything, but go off I guess.

Edited November 4, 2023 by dawnettakins

[Welovetrouble]

15 hours ago, jomarr said:

Well she released three albums in less than a year. Not that it’s a bad thing but we have to consider the circumstances.

Didn't the Beatles release 12 albums within 7 years? Anyways she doesn't imo rival them lol 

[Mornings]

I’m not here trying to prove the Beatles are better. But the only analogy I can make is this.

 

you can make a 4.0 at MIT in economics, and someone else can make a 4.0 at a local community college in economics. But that doesn’t mean they are peers or competitors 

[Poncho Barlliams]

15 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

Album equivalent units, as calculated by data firm Luminate and reported by Billboard, are calculated by converting single sales and streams to a number that represents the same number of pure album sales that would be required to generate as much revenue on average as those single sales or streams. For example, it takes about ten digital single sales, on average, to generate as much revenue as an album sale, so ten single sales is one unit. That’s a little bit of a simplification, but for streams it’s much more complex, because paid subscribers streams weigh more heavily than ad-supported streams (such a free or trial tiers on streaming services). This does not account for the price of each individual product sold - that is, a strong vinyl seller like Taylor isn’t getting four units added for a $40 copy of 1989 (Taylor’s Version), just one. It does not include passive experiences like radio, either. So, to summarize for this thread, Taylor has generated consumption this year equivalent to 14.7 million pure album sales - a good portion of which is actually pure sales. Hope this helps!

 

This EAS methodology is a joke, because it never existed in the 90s, sales of a physical single were not converted to an album unit.

 

 If the RIAA were to convert IWALY sales to equivalent album units, Bodyguard would have sold 1 Thriller.

[supaspaz]

10 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

As much as anyone is allowed to participate in the discussion and bring new point of views to it, so is OP. No? 

Where is the discussion happening? It's just aggressive attacks.

[Cruel Summer]

3 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said:

 

This EAS methodology is a joke, because it never existed in the 90s, sales of a physical single were not converted to an album unit.

 

 If the RIAA were to convert IWALY sales to equivalent album units, Bodyguard would have sold 1 Thriller.

It did exist in the 90s and was used by IFPI and other industry sources, it just wasn’t widely publicized like sales were at the time.

[Badgalbriel]

6 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

Where is the discussion happening? It's just aggressive attacks.

Sorry. I just don't see how this is an attack. It's pure stats, not an attack. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Badgalbriel

[Axelios]

10 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said:

 

This EAS methodology is a joke, because it never existed in the 90s, sales of a physical single were not converted to an album unit.

 

 If the RIAA were to convert IWALY sales to equivalent album units, Bodyguard would have sold 1 Thriller.

Didn't IWALY sell around 20 million worldwide? That's about 2 million album units...

[stevyy]

17 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Didn't IWALY sell around 20 million worldwide? That's about 2 million album units...

the only solution to convert sales into streams. 

 

IWALY = 3 billion streaming song.

The bodyguard = 60 billion streams.

 

<3

[Axelios]

2 minutes ago, stevyy said:

the only solution to convert sales into streams. 

 

IWALY = 3 billion streaming song.

The bodyguard = 60 billion streams.

 

<3

You're just proving how much harder it is to accumulate album units in the streaming which makes Taylor totals even more impressive if anything 

[Poncho Barlliams]

Has Taylor ever sold more than the Beatles outside the USA? So she's definitely not bigger than them.

[Poncho Barlliams]

5 minutes ago, Axelios said:

You're just proving how much harder it is to accumulate album units in the streaming which makes Taylor totals even more impressive if anything 

Sincerely ?  What I find very impressive is the fact that Taylor moves millions of Albums in physical copies in the midst of the streaming era.  the streaming numbers don't impress me because she has millions of fans (mainly in the US) committed to staying all day on Spotify and Apple Music engaging streams for Taylor.

 

Swifties have an absurd dedication to manipulating Charts for Taylor

 

[The Music Industry]

16 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

You Swifties are something else: 

 

Taylor Swift in 2020: 

 

Lady Gaga in 2020: 

This is what you guys do. Negate something and then you gaslight us into thinking it never happened (“Eras film  will be a billion-dollar movie”, “Taylor is Madonna-big outside of Anglosphere” etc.) 

 

For those who did not follow this thread, Swifties claimed Swift always doubled Gaga’s monthly listeners and that they weren’t close  

 

Maybe if you guys stopped saying nonsense you’d stop getting clocked? 

You LITERALLY said 2022, and then bring up receipts from 2020  

 

Let's recap what you said:

18 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

I remember back in 2022 a while after Taylor had released Folklore and Evermore she had 44 million monthly listeners and Gaga - who had just released Hold My Hand - had 41 million monthly listeners

They were NEVER close in 2022. It never happened. In May 2022, when Gaga released Hold My Hand, she had 39M listeners while Taylor had 55M. You LITERALLY posted random reddit posts from 2020 only a week after folklore came out and act as if you clocked anyone or proved anything. Stop embarrassing yourself

Edited November 4, 2023 by The Music Industry

[The Music Industry]

14 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Yes and most artists, especially Madonna or MJ, have factually never released multiple studio albums in one calendar year during their commercial peak.

And how is that my problem?

 

[TouchinFree]

[The Music Industry]

7 hours ago, Eternium said:

Can you post her streams from 2016-2019, when she actually scored hits, and compare them to 2020-2023? 

 

This truly isn't the "gotcha!" moment you think it is

 

1. Obvious to most, but streaming is way bigger in 2023 than in 2016

2. "when she actually had hits"? Cruel Summer and Anti-Hero are both bigger than ANY song she released from 2016 to 2019.

3. Taylor as a whole is way bigger in 2023 than in 2016, in every metric. Midnights is her best-selling album (pure) since 1989. Eras Tour, 2023-2024, is the biggest tour of all time. 2023 is her biggest year on radio since 2015. 2023 is the year where she was the most searched ever. 2023 is the year with the most Google articles mentioning her name ever. She is peaking/repeaking in every single metric. Not just streaming, and specifically not just on Spotify. She's a juggernaut on all major platforms, yet you only cling to the Spotify discovery mode as if that alone can explain why she's stomping on everyone in every way possible

 

Just admit defeat already, it's getting a bit sad girl 

 

[FailSafe]

The left and right clockings here from the Taylormaniacs