base talk Taylor Swift's rival in commercial success is only The Beatles, agree?

[Arrows]

4 hours ago, LittleStarmen said:

Since I subscribed to spotify I probably listened to equivalent of 15 copies of the same album since I still love it.

15 copies is roughly 19 thousand streams

[Badgalbriel]

2 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

You Swifties are something else: 

 

Taylor Swift in 2020: 

 

Lady Gaga in 2020: 

This is what you guys do. Negate something and then you gaslight us into thinking it never happened (“Eras film  will be a billion-dollar movie”, “Taylor is Madonna-big outside of Anglosphere” etc.) 

 

For those who did not follow this thread, Swifties claimed Swift always doubled Gaga’s monthly listeners and that they weren’t close  

 

Maybe if you guys stopped saying nonsense you’d stop getting clocked? 

You do know that monthly listeners literally means nothing right? Gaga WA pulling 8m daily streams while Taylor WA pulling 20m....

[supaspaz]

52 minutes ago, FailSafe said:

Did they have a billion-grossing tour? Did their tour movie open with more than $100m? Did they become a billionaire through music alone? Did they move more units than Tay in a single year? Did they win 3 AOTY? Are their re-releases opened with 1.5m? Did they manage to reach their peak 17 years into their career?

 

Why make a thread asking a question if you're just going to argue with people who point out statistics that dispute your premise?

[jomarr]

13 minutes ago, Arrows said:

This was literally the same strategy as the Beatles.

Not as frequent and without streaming. Mariah, Whitney, and Celine all sold enormous amounts of albums. Before we go to the Beatles, there are other female artists with much higher sales than Taylor.

 

Claiming that the Beatles is her only commercial competitor at this point in her career is a long stretch.

[LittleStarmen]

10 minutes ago, Arrows said:

15 copies is roughly 19 thousand streams

Still... If its roughly 1300 per album... A fan can essily stream that in 2/3 months... 

[Badgalbriel]

4 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

Why make a thread asking a question if you're just going to argue with people who point out statistics that dispute your premise?

As much as anyone is allowed to participate in the discussion and bring new point of views to it, so is OP. No? 

[istan4badgalriri]

I mean it would certainly fit

[Arrows]

5 minutes ago, jomarr said:

Not as frequent and without streaming. Mariah, Whitney, and Celine all sold enormous amounts of albums. Before we go to the Beatles, there are other female artists with much higher sales than Taylor.

 

Claiming that the Beatles is her only commercial competitor at this point in her career is a long stretch.

The Beatles in fact released albums much more frequently than Taylor. They released 6 studio albums between 1963-1965, two a year. They also released Yellow Submarine and Abbey Road in the same calendar year, 1969.

 

Let’s see how Taylor’s sales compare to those women when all is said and done.

[Axelios]

8 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said:

Still... If its roughly 1300 per album... A fan can essily stream that in 2/3 months... 

Most people don't stream even one copy which is the point. In the past a lot of people bought albums but didn't listen to them more than a few times for various reasons. Today that would translate to much less album units because most people don't need to buy albums to have access to them.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Axelios

[Arrows]

7 minutes ago, LittleStarmen said:

Still... If its roughly 1300 per album... A fan can essily stream that in 2/3 months... 

Well, probably. But as a stan the most I’ve listened to a Taylor album is 2,275 streams for folklore, counting for less than 2 copies.

 

On the contrary, I used to buy lots of albums that would only be listened to 3 times.

[JaXXXon]

1 hour ago, alestevens said:

Even if you remove SNTV and 1989TV Taylor would still have the biggest year since 1991 with Midnights being her only release in the last 2 years.

 

Because this is a rerecording of an album that has been smashing for 9 years nonstop and none of the new songs was a global radio single or was receiving a clear push.

 

The album is stomping on every chart, that's what matters!

 

34 minutes ago, Arrows said:

She’s literally going #1 with a massive debut in the majority of these countries this week

Yet she is able to occupy the entire top 10 with her songs in Anglosphere but can’t get a single top 10 song in most of the aforementioned countries? 
 

Jumping through loopholes, that’s what you’re doing. The question at hand is why she’s N/A with her songs in those countries if she’s as big as The Beatles or Madonna and all you can talk about is how she can go #1 with an album just like many other acts can, which doesn’t set her apart from other current popular artists. She’s not breaking first-week sales in those countries in terms of albums and she’s not going #1 or occupying the entire top 10 with her songs either and y’all will claim she’s anywhere near The Beatles or Madonna 
 

Again, the only ones thinking this are the Swifties themselves. Everyone else is just laughing at this hilarious narrative that will sooner or later blow up in your faces as it did for any other fan bases who got too cocky when their faves experience huge peaks. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by JaXXXon

[istan4badgalriri]

1 minute ago, Arrows said:

The Beatles in fact released albums much more frequently than Taylor. They released 6 studio albums between 1963-1965, two a year. They also released Yellow Submarine and Abbey Road in the same calendar year, 1969.

 

Let’s see how Taylor’s sales compare to those women when all is said and done.

Not you comparing releasing albums often in the physical sales era vs streaming era......

[stevyy]

21 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Releasing a lot can hurt your career. Madonna was already underperforming hard with a lot of her albums I don't see how releasing more wouldn't just acccelerate her decline even faster.

Madonna was literally changing culture and the way society worked. Imagine Taylor releasing an album as inventive and creative as Erotica or Ray of Light. 

 

MJ invented MTV like forreal. I'M exaggerating a bit, but am I? 

 

Whitney literally had the biggest Music act going Movie career in 1992 when that soundtrack (at the time) became like the 3rd biggest release ever in music and the movie grossing hundreds of millions of dollars. Also, her voice... unique and unmatched. 

 

The Beatles... were credited by the Swifties in this thread for inventing stans. 

 

What has Taylor invented or pushed forward... other than her own Smallville life goals? 

 

The most impactful touring acts, the most impactful music acts, the most impactful singers... she ain't one of them. What she does have is a stronghold on Streaming. 

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, JaXXXon said:

 

Yet she is able to occupy the entire top 10 with her songs in Anglosphere but can’t get a single top 10 song in most of the aforementioned countries? 
 

Jumping through loopholes, that’s what you’re doing. The question at hand is why she’s N/A with her songs in those countries if she’s as big as The Beatles or Madonna and all you can talk about is how she can go #1 with an album just like many other acts can, which doesn’t set her apart from other current popular artists. She’s not breaking first-week sales in those countries in terms of albums and she’s not going #1 or occupy the entire top 10 with her songs either and y’all will claim she’s anywhere near The Beatles or Madonna. 
 

Again, the only ones thinking this are the Swifties themselves. Everyone else is just laughing at this hilarious narrative that will sooner or later blow up in your faces as it did for any other fan base who got too cocky when their faves experience huge peaks. 

Madonna and the Beatles were also not breaking records in every single country. In fact in most countries local music is much more popular than international english music

 

[Arrows]

4 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Not you comparing releasing albums often in the physical sales era vs streaming era......

The person I quoted said the Beatles didn’t release albums as quickly as Taylor. I just corrected their mistake.

[Axelios]

2 minutes ago, stevyy said:

Madonna was literally changing culture and the way society worked. Imagine Taylor releasing an album as inventive and creative as Erotica or Ray of Light. 

 

MJ invented MTV like forreal. I'M exaggerating a bit, but am I? 

 

Whitney literally had the biggest Music act going Movie career in 1992 when that soundtrack (at the time) became like the 3rd biggest release ever in music and the movie grossing hundreds of millions of dollars. Also, her voice... unique and unmatched. 

 

The Beatles... were credited by the Swifties in this thread for inventing stans. 

 

What has Taylor invented or pushed forward... other than her own Smallville life goals? 

 

The most impactful touring acts, the most impactful music acts, the most impactful singers... she ain't one of them. What she does have is a stronghold on Streaming. 

Taylor Swift has the biggest tour of all time (first time a woman will ever hold that title) and some of the biggest years ever in terms of music revenue and success. And this is all happening 16 years into a very successful and consistent career.

[stevyy]

2 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

 

Yet she is able to occupy the entire top 10 with her songs in Anglosphere but can’t get a single top 10 song in most of the aforementioned countries? 
 

Jumping through loopholes, that’s what you’re doing. The question at hand is why she’s N/A with her songs in those countries if she’s as big as The Beatles or Madonna and all you can talk about is how she can go #1 with an album just like many other acts can, which doesn’t set her apart from other current popular artists. She’s not breaking first-week sales in those countries in terms of albums and she’s not going #1 or occupying the entire top 10 with her songs either and y’all will claim she’s anywhere near The Beatles or Madonna. 
 

Again, the only ones thinking this are the Swifties themselves. Everyone else is just laughing at this hilarious narrative that will sooner or later blow up in your faces as it did for any other fan base who got too cocky when their faves experience huge peaks. 

Taylor still does not have a #1 song in Germany, Austria, Switzerland. 

[stevyy]

3 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Taylor Swift has the biggest tour of all time (first time a woman will ever hold that title) and some of the biggest years ever in terms of music revenue and success. And this is all happening 16 years into a very successful and consistent career.

I like that for her. well done. 

[JaXXXon]

9 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Madonna and the Beatles were also not breaking records in every single country. In fact in most countries local music is much more popular than international english music

 

Bullish!t. 
 

Madonna is the best-selling female artist around the world, including Germany. She’s a top seller in Poland and France and all of the other places. She wouldn’t get to a whooping 300 million sold records without being an all time seller elsewhere. She’s got less than 100 million in the US. I mean, that’s just pure logic. 
 

And Michael Jackson is the biggest male artist or artist in general in most countries as well. 
 

So your claim is invalid because Adele was #1 with Hello and broke first week sales records in multiple countries with 25 and Flowers by Miley Cyrus wouldn’t have been #1 all around the world going by your logic. Taylor released yet another album and none of the songs are big hits and her album isn’t breaking records outside of Anglosphere so instead of pulling this nonsense out of your butt do some research. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by JaXXXon

[FailSafe]

39 minutes ago, Love Again said:

I’ll accept it if she releases a dance album for TS11

 

A concept. Give us an "Electricity", Tay

 

 

[JaXXXon]

5 minutes ago, stevyy said:

Taylor still does not have a #1 song in Germany, Austria, Switzerland. 

Exactly. How can an artist that rivals the Beatles have NO NUMBER ONES in said territories 

 

The Beatles have ELEVEN number one singles in Germany and Taylor has zero. She also hasn’t had a single number album in Poland either. Not a single one. 
 

The Swifties are never winning this debate because Taylor is just not that massive outside of Anglosphere. 

[Kristie Kuwa]

People discredit (imho rightfully) Taylor because her output pales in comparison to these legendary artists. Easy as that. If you do a 1vs1 regarding her biggest hits compared to the Rihannas, Beyonces, Madonnas, MJs, etc, her discography literally pales.

 

Numbers only tho, she most certainly is a contender and allows these comparisons without a doubt. Shes a machine and has created a universe with a crazy amount of following (especially in the Anglosphere), so theres that.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Kristie Kuwa

[stevyy]

12 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Exactly. How can an artist that rivals the Beatles have NO NUMBER ONES in said territories 

 

The Beatles have ELEVEN number one singles in Germany and Taylor has zero. She also hasn’t had a single number album in Poland either. Not a single one. 
 

The Swifties are never winning this debate because Taylor is just not that massive outside of Anglosphere. 

But they always say that she has 8 charting albums simultaneously in Germany... however, why does she not have a #1 song or just 6 top 10 hits? I believe that she also never had a #1 song in France. 

[stevyy]

9 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

People discredit (imho rightfully) Taylor because her output pales in comparison to these legendary artists. Easy as that. If you do a 1vs1 regarding her biggest hits compared to the Rihannas, Beyonces, Madonnas, MJs, etc, her discography literally pales.

 

Numbers only tho, she most certainly is a contender and allows these comparisons without a doubt. Shes a machine and has created a universe with a crazy amount of following (especially in the Anglosphere), so theres that.

Guinness listed her as the 4th biggest selling female of all times. 

 

The RIAA doesn't have her in the top 3 of biggest albums artists either. Shouldn't she be #1 on both if she were to rival The Beatles who rank as the biggest group literally on all these alltime lists? How can there (still) be other females ahead of Taylor when they never "sold" 15 million units per annual like Taylor currently does?

 

 

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, stevyy said:

Guinness listed her as the 4th biggest selling female of all times. 

 

The RIAA doesn't have her in the top 3 of biggest albums artists either. Shouldn't she be #1 on both if she were to rival The Beatles who rank as the biggest group literally on all these alltime lists? How can there (still) be other females ahead of Taylor when they never "sold" 15 million units per annual like Taylor currently does?

 

 

Taylor is very undercertified in the US but we have Billboard numbers anyway.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Axelios