stevyy Posted November 5, 2023 Posted November 5, 2023 45 minutes ago, sasashite said: What? Taylor has 13 #1 albums, more than any artist this century. Now it would be funny if you're talking about #1 songs because Taylor debuted during a time where people actually had to purchase a song, which seems to be the focus of your argument. And she's literally the top-selling artist for singles in US history. Take Mariah Carey, for instance. She hails from an era when the Hot 100 chart was predominantly influenced by radio airplay, and it wasn't so necessary for people to buy a song for it to reach #1. Ironically, when sales became a more significant factor in the Hot 100 formula and the chart was no longer so based on radio, Mariah stopped amassing #1s frequently. untrue. The Hot 100 formula was 75% airplay and 25% sales for the entire 1990s decade. After her divorce from Mottola, radio did not autoplay her music anymore. Instead, she went to #1 on the sales charts to secure #1's and hit. 1990 - #1 airplay - #1 sales - Vision of Love 1990 - #1 airplay - #1 sales - Love Takes Time 1991 - #1 airplay - #2 sales - Someday 1991 - #4 airplay - #3 sales - I don't wanna Cry -- 1991 - #1 airplay - #10 sales - Emotions 1991 - #2 airplay - #8 sales - Can't Let Go 1992 - #2 airplay - #18 sales - Make It Happen -- 1992 - #1 airplay - #3 sales - I'll Be There -- 1993 - #1 airplay - #2 sales - Dreamlover 1993 - #1 airplay - #2 sales - Hero 1994 - #2 airplay - #3 sales - Without You 1994 - #8 airplay - #19 sales - Anytime you need a Friend 1994 - #5 airplay - #2 sales - Endless Love -- 1994 - #12 airplay - no single - All I want for Christmas Is You -- 1995 - #1 airplay - #1 sales - Fantasy 1995 - #1 airplay - #1 sales - One Sweet Day 1996 - #1 airplay - #1 sales - Always be my Baby 1996 - #9 airplay - no single - Forever -- 1997 - #11 airplay - #1 sales - Honey 1997 - #16 airplay - no single - Butterfly 1998 - #53 airplay - no single - Breakdown 1998 - #15 airplay - #1 sales - My All -- 1998 - #38 airplay - #7 sales - When you Believe 1999 - #20 airplay - #3 sales - I Still Believe -- 1999 - #8 airplay - #1 sales - Heartbreaker 1999 - #15 airplay - #1 sales - Thank God I Found You 2000 - did not chart - #2 sales - Crybaby -- 2001 - #50 airplay - #1 sales - Loverboy 2001 - did not chart - #3 sales - Never Too Far -- 2002 - did not chart - #1 sales - Through The Rain 2003 - did not chart - #57 sales - Boy (I Need You) 2003 - #3 airplay - no single - I know what you Want 2004 - #21 airplay - no single - U make me wanna -- 2005 - #14 airplay - #8 sales - #10 digital - It's Like That 2005 - #1 airplay - #16 sales - #2 digital - We Belong Together 2005 - #1 airplay - no single - #6 digital - Shake It Off 2005 - #1 airplay - no single - #1 digital - Don't Forget About Us 2006 - #78 airplay - no single - #114 digital - Say Somethin' 2006 - #66 airplay - no single - ?? digital - Fly Like a Bird -- 2008 - #2 airplay - #2 sales - #1 digital - Touch my Body 2008 - #17 airplay - no single - #11 digital - Bye Bye 2008 - #43 airplay - no single - #121 digital - I'll Be Lovin' you Long Time 2009 - did not chart - #4 sales - ?? digital - I Stay in Love 2009 - #84 airplay - no single - #73 digital - My Love -- 2009 - #6 airplay - #1 sales - #6 digital - Obsessed 2009 - #71 airplay - no single - #54 digital - I want to know what Love Is 2010 - did not chart - no single - #98 digital - Up Out My Face -- 2010 - did not chart - #22 sales - #117 digital - Oh Santa -- 2013 - #17 airplay - no single - #10 digital - #20 streaming - #Beautiful 2014 - did not chart - #10 sales - ?? digital - You're Mine (Eternal) -- 2017 - did not chart - no single - #46 digital - I Don't -- 2020 - did not chart - no single - ?? digital - Oh Santa Remix AIWFCIY has since peaked: #12 airplay, #1 sales, #1 digital and #1 streaming 3
byzantium Posted November 5, 2023 Posted November 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Touchdown said: People actually had to spend their own money to purchase music in the past, chart success nowadays is basically meaningless. Didn’t someone on ATRL tell you, it’s actually shameful now to sell music for money. Basically a scam on the level of FTX. 1
wastedpotential Posted November 5, 2023 Posted November 5, 2023 1 hour ago, sasashite said: Take Mariah Carey, for instance. She hails from an era when the Hot 100 chart was predominantly influenced by radio airplay, and it wasn't so necessary for people to buy a song for it to reach #1. Ironically, when sales became a more significant factor in the Hot 100 formula and the chart was no longer so based on radio, Mariah stopped amassing #1s frequently. Astute observation 1
Raspberries Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 The way that JaXXXon guy got ruthlessly dragged by multiple people because he straight up lied and he refuses to acknowledge that he lied 1 3
Mandalay Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 Would it be cruel to say that Hey Jude alone will outlive all Taylor's hits?
Kill Me Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mandalay said: Would it be cruel to say that Hey Jude alone will outlive all Taylor's hits? She is an album artist anyways... she never needed hits. And it is not as if her only legacy is going to be a Christmas jingle 30 years later, now that is cruel... 1
Mandalay Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Miss Americana said: She is an album artist anyways... she never needed hits. And it is not as if her only legacy is going to be a Christmas jingle 30 years later, now that is cruel... Taylor will never have Mariah's level of legacy. Mariah is too talented to be what you want her to be. Edited November 6, 2023 by Mandalay 4 1 1 1
Kill Me Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, Mandalay said: Taylor will never have Mariah's level of legacy. She already is much more respected and has already outsold her. What else is there? Albums in the RS Greatest Albums Of All Time List: #99 - RED #393 - 1989 #389 - Emancipation 4 1 1 1
Mandalay Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Miss Americana said: She already is much more respected and has already outsold her. What else is there? Albums in the RS Greatest Albums Of All Time List: #99 - RED #393 - 1989 #389 - Emancipation You stick to those magazine lists. Mariah literally changed the way people sing. 8 1 1
Kill Me Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mandalay said: You stick to those magazine lists. Mariah literally changed the way people sing. Yep she definitely did. I can acknowledge she is one of the many women who made all those cheesy AC radio fodder music that made the GP so sick of those songs with high notes that not a single female act has tried to make that shite ever since... 3 6
Mandalay Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Miss Americana said: Yep she definitely did. I can acknowledge she is one of the many women who made all those cheesy AC radio fodder music that made the GP so sick of those songs with high notes that not a single female act has tried to make that shite ever since... 🥱 You can do better than that. OT: Did a swiftie make this thread or someone set her up? 1
differentkindahigh Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 The only competition to Taylor's fraudulent tactics are Donald Trump's own fraudulent tactics. The saddest thing about them both being so fraudulent is that Donald actually has a personality. 2
Frogger17 Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, differentkindahigh said: the saddest thing about them both being so fraudulent is that Donald actually has a personality. Isn't this the complaint from literally everyone nowadays, that artists and celebs are just personalities with nothing to back it up? Taylor writes hits and puts the work in where it counts. Sorry if she's not like the others girls who live on social media and scream into the camera, only to sell 10k - 50k debut week. 2
swissman Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) On 11/6/2023 at 10:43 AM, Miss Americana said: Yep she definitely did. I can acknowledge she is one of the many women who made all those cheesy AC radio fodder music that made the GP so sick of those songs with high notes that not a single female act has tried to make that shite ever since... This is not true. While the trend of big ballads is no longer a thing, there was indeed a wave of such "AC radio fodder" in the mid-to-late 2000s with Ryan Tedder's hits such as Bleeding Love, Halo, Already Gone, etc. And this was years after Mariah stopped doing such songs (though We Belong Together is perhaps half-that, half-R&B song). I'd say the reason the trend Mariah helped establish ended in the 1990s is because the new generation of music listeners (young millennials) were into more youthful music, sounds, lyrics, themes. They weren't going to be listening to romantic adult-contempory ballads. They wanted bubblegum pop or hip-hop or both. And yet even recently one of the biggest hits of the entire decade has been a big ballad closer to the 1990s style than anything else of its time: Driver's Licence saw a new generation of music listeners (this time Gen Z) be so into the song that it debuted and stayed at #1 for eight weeks. Edited November 10, 2023 by swissman 2
thequeenofpopmadonna Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) Nope Edited November 8, 2023 by thequeenofpopmadonna
Alexz Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 4 hours ago, swissman said: This is not true. While the trend of big ballads is no longer a thing, there was indeed a wave of such "AC radio fodder" in the mid-to-late 2000s with Ryan Tedder's hits such as Bleeding Love, Halo, Already Gone, etc. And this was years after Mariah stopped doing such songs (though We Belong Together is perhaps half-that, half-R&B song). I'd say the reason the trend Mariah helped establish ended in the 1990s is because the new generation of music listeners (young millennials) were into more youthful music, sounds, lyrics, themes. They weren't going to be listening to romantic adult-contempory ballads. They wanted bubblegum pop or hip-hop or both. And yet even recently one of the biggest hits of the entire decade as been a big ballad closer to the 1990s style than anything else of its time: Driver's Licence saw a new generation of music listeners (this time Gen Z) be so into the song that it debuted and stayed at #1 for eight weeks. Nobody does those ballads anymore because people can't sing just like Taylor herself.
sasashite Posted November 9, 2023 Posted November 9, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 3:47 PM, stevyy said: untrue. The Hot 100 formula was 75% airplay and 25% sales for the entire 1990s decade. After her divorce from Mottola, radio did not autoplay her music anymore. Instead, she went to #1 on the sales charts to secure #1's and hit. 1990 - #1 airplay - #1 sales - Vision of Love 1990 - #1 airplay - #1 sales - Love Takes Time 1991 - #1 airplay - #2 sales - Someday 1991 - #4 airplay - #3 sales - I don't wanna Cry -- 1991 - #1 airplay - #10 sales - Emotions 1991 - #2 airplay - #8 sales - Can't Let Go 1992 - #2 airplay - #18 sales - Make It Happen -- 1992 - #1 airplay - #3 sales - I'll Be There -- 1993 - #1 airplay - #2 sales - Dreamlover 1993 - #1 airplay - #2 sales - Hero 1994 - #2 airplay - #3 sales - Without You 1994 - #8 airplay - #19 sales - Anytime you need a Friend 1994 - #5 airplay - #2 sales - Endless Love -- 1994 - #12 airplay - no single - All I want for Christmas Is You -- 1995 - #1 airplay - #1 sales - Fantasy 1995 - #1 airplay - #1 sales - One Sweet Day 1996 - #1 airplay - #1 sales - Always be my Baby 1996 - #9 airplay - no single - Forever -- 1997 - #11 airplay - #1 sales - Honey 1997 - #16 airplay - no single - Butterfly 1998 - #53 airplay - no single - Breakdown 1998 - #15 airplay - #1 sales - My All -- 1998 - #38 airplay - #7 sales - When you Believe 1999 - #20 airplay - #3 sales - I Still Believe -- 1999 - #8 airplay - #1 sales - Heartbreaker 1999 - #15 airplay - #1 sales - Thank God I Found You 2000 - did not chart - #2 sales - Crybaby -- 2001 - #50 airplay - #1 sales - Loverboy 2001 - did not chart - #3 sales - Never Too Far -- 2002 - did not chart - #1 sales - Through The Rain 2003 - did not chart - #57 sales - Boy (I Need You) 2003 - #3 airplay - no single - I know what you Want 2004 - #21 airplay - no single - U make me wanna -- 2005 - #14 airplay - #8 sales - #10 digital - It's Like That 2005 - #1 airplay - #16 sales - #2 digital - We Belong Together 2005 - #1 airplay - no single - #6 digital - Shake It Off 2005 - #1 airplay - no single - #1 digital - Don't Forget About Us 2006 - #78 airplay - no single - #114 digital - Say Somethin' 2006 - #66 airplay - no single - ?? digital - Fly Like a Bird -- 2008 - #2 airplay - #2 sales - #1 digital - Touch my Body 2008 - #17 airplay - no single - #11 digital - Bye Bye 2008 - #43 airplay - no single - #121 digital - I'll Be Lovin' you Long Time 2009 - did not chart - #4 sales - ?? digital - I Stay in Love 2009 - #84 airplay - no single - #73 digital - My Love -- 2009 - #6 airplay - #1 sales - #6 digital - Obsessed 2009 - #71 airplay - no single - #54 digital - I want to know what Love Is 2010 - did not chart - no single - #98 digital - Up Out My Face -- 2010 - did not chart - #22 sales - #117 digital - Oh Santa -- 2013 - #17 airplay - no single - #10 digital - #20 streaming - #Beautiful 2014 - did not chart - #10 sales - ?? digital - You're Mine (Eternal) -- 2017 - did not chart - no single - #46 digital - I Don't -- 2020 - did not chart - no single - ?? digital - Oh Santa Remix AIWFCIY has since peaked: #12 airplay, #1 sales, #1 digital and #1 streaming So that means 14 #1s on sales chart for Mariah. Cute, but Taylor has 27. 1 1
stevyy Posted November 9, 2023 Posted November 9, 2023 14 hours ago, sasashite said: So that means 14 #1s on sales chart for Mariah. Cute, but Taylor has 27. on the Hot singles sales chart? 27? Mariah has 12 on the Hot singles Sales chart. (29 top 10s). <3 2 on Digital Tracks 1
thetea Posted November 10, 2023 Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/9/2023 at 2:22 PM, sasashite said: So that means 14 #1s on sales chart for Mariah. Cute, but Taylor has 27. not you trying to sidetrack did you not say this: Ironically, when sales became a more significant factor in the Hot 100 formula and the chart was no longer so based on radio, Mariah stopped amassing #1s frequently.
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