discussion Marvel Studios in crisis, gathers to figure out path forward

[Gorjesspazze9]

Yall just reading the mediaplay headline

 

Kevin Feige has since hired ‘LOGAN’ writer Michael Green to work on a new script and the film will move forward with a budget of less than $100M.
 

[Poxy]

MCU crisis was indeed inevitable. I LOVED Wanda vision but I would also go back in time so the tv shows never existed.

[BoyLikeYouSuxx]

The multiverse was such a mistake, they should've had Wanda pull a reverse "no more mutants" and introduce mutants to the MCU with new ramifications about enhanced individuals living amongst the public 

 

The whole secret invasion/secret wars nonsense is ALSO a non-starter  nobody is invested enough in the new characters to give a damn about who's a wrinkly green alien

 

 

 

 

[Trent W]

15 minutes ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

It did. They had a year break and came back with Wandavision but Covid happen

I meant more of a full reset

 

They kept going with some of the same characters in the same universe

[Psylocke]

12 minutes ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

Yall just reading the mediaplay headline

 

Kevin Feige has since hired ‘LOGAN’ writer Michael Green to work on a new script and the film will move forward with a budget of less than $100M.
 

 There's a character limit on titles, I explained the headline as best as I could. But obviously the tweet is still stating that it was "at one point" meaning it's no longer the case.

 

It's just tragic that it ever got approved and it took Mahershala Ali himself doing quality control on their behalf for this **** show not to move forward.

[Talento]

17 minutes ago, BoyLikeYouSuxx said:

they should've had Wanda pull a reverse "no more mutants"

Sorry but this would've been awful too  Although on brand with current MCU writing.

 

Any explanation for mutants other than "they just exist" misses entire the point of these characters. Same for other theories like "Iron Man's snap created mutants"  That just makes them like any other superhero, the result of a freak accident or of being magically enhanced. The appeal of the X-Men is that they're just born with the X-gene and are persecuted for that.

 

Not to mention characters like Wolverine, Mystique, Storm, Magneto NEED to have been around for a while for their stories/origins to make sense. And ain't nobody wants "kids who just got their powers" versions of these characters.

[Attitude]

Just move on to X-Men. Honestly, all the minor MCU characters should've just been relegated to some animated anthology series tbh.

[BoyLikeYouSuxx]

11 minutes ago, Talento said:

Sorry but this would've been awful too  Although on brand with current MCU writing.

 

Any explanation for mutants other than "they just exist" misses entire the point of these characters. Same for other theories like "Iron Man's snap created mutants"  That just makes them like any other superhero, the result of a freak accident or of being magically enhanced. The appeal of the X-Men is that they're just born with the X-gene and are persecuted for that.

 

Not to mention characters like Wolverine, Mystique, Storm, Magneto NEED to have been around for a while for their stories/origins to make sense. And ain't nobody wants "kids who just got their powers" versions of these characters.

I agree but the reality (and problem) is that Disney/Marvel only recently acquired the rights to these characters. But the whole *existing this whole time in secrecy* unfortunately makes no sense. The only alternative now is a nexus level event creating their existence. 

[Machete]

I think Chadwick's passing is underestimated ****** them up storyline wise. It was clear he was going to be the "leader" of the new generation of Avengers. 

[rac7d]

3 hours ago, Psylocke said:

Yes, Mahershala Ali demanded that they rewrote the film from scratch and that they fired the director and writer, which they did. It's why the movie got pushed back a while ago all the way to 2025 when it was originally scheduled for this year.

It’s not only disrespectful to Oscar winner Ali

it really be looking like South Park was right 

[TayDuaStan]

MCU really be turning into the DCEU 2.0 as of late 

[Talento]

19 minutes ago, BoyLikeYouSuxx said:

But the whole *existing this whole time in secrecy* unfortunately makes no sense. 

That's what exactly what happens in the X-Men Evolution cartoon though and it's a great show I think it's only like in season 3 out of 4 that mutants become public knowledge.

 

Maybe just have Professor X say there were like around 1,000 mutants across the whole world from 2008-now (that's a lot of established mutants already, but an incredibly small percentage in relation to the world's population) but for whatever reason the number is starting to increase significantly in recent years and they can't keep it a secret anymore. Done!

 

Or just suspend disbelief that they've always been around, that works too. 

 

[BoyLikeYouSuxx]

8 minutes ago, Talento said:

That's what exactly what happens in the X-Men Evolution cartoon though and it's a great show I think it's only like in season 3 out of 4 that mutants become public knowledge.

 

Maybe just have Professor X say there were like around 1,000 mutants across the whole world from 2008-now (that's a lot of established mutants already, but an incredibly small percentage in relation to the world's population) but for whatever reason the number is starting to increase significantly in recent years and they can't keep it a secret anymore. Done!

 

Or just suspend disbelief that they've always been around, that works too. 

 

I love that show too  The only difference is XE didn't have world ending disasters with superhero catalysts to usher them into the public eye. 
 

no matter how it's cut the idea will seem forced but at least Wanda being a mutant can tie her into brotherhood/genosha/magneto family etc and give her a plot moving forward

[Talento]

12 minutes ago, BoyLikeYouSuxx said:

I love that show too  The only difference is XE didn't have world ending disasters with superhero catalysts to usher them into the public eye. 
 

no matter how it's cut the idea will seem forced but at least Wanda being a mutant can tie her into brotherhood/genosha/magneto family etc and give her a plot moving forward

I just hope Emma Frost is a bad ***** whenever she debuts 

 

But I don't trust the MCU to do her justice after they turned confident, flirty and fun She-Hulk into a whiny loser and called it "empowerment" 

[Dark Miracles]

4 hours ago, Raptus said:

The whole multiverse thing was a mistake. Like now no one even cares if some character dies because they (Marvel writers) can bring them back as many times as they want. There's no stakes.

And they must stop trying to make every f****** second of every movie/show "funny". Last Thor and Ant-men were garbage  because of that. Like give us drama and bring back terrifying villains. 

When did any of these fastfood films ever have terrifying villains? 90% of the action in these films was them beating up on CGI armies in super fast cuts and frame rate jump with shaky camera syndrome. Can't express enough how badly made these films were, the only one that somewhat rose above it is Cptn America: Winter Soldier. Everything else is pretty much bottom of the barrel trash. I hope I never have to see them strip the X-Men of all their qualities in their dreary drab. And one of their go-to directors had the gall to mock Martin Scorsese on the subject of box office, I mean...

[shinyshimmery]

It truly feels like marvel ended after endgame. The movies and shows after it haven't been as fun... plus they keep introducing too many actors/characters that it's gotten so confusing for anyone who's not caught up.

[BoyLikeYouSuxx]

23 minutes ago, Talento said:

I just hope Emma Frost is a bad ***** whenever she debuts 

 

But I don't trust the MCU to do her justice after they turned confident, flirty and fun She-Hulk into a whiny loser and called it "empowerment" 

The way I'd KILL to see miss rosemund pike serve CUNTRESS as Emma  marvel has gone weak though and would never

[GraceRandolph]

James Cameron ended the MCU with Avatar 2. I could not believe it. @mystery

 

[UNNAMI]

6 hours ago, abc1990 said:

If they have to recast Majors as Kang, they should just offer Mahershala Ali the role as Kang and recast a younger actor as Blade 

that's actually great idea

[UNNAMI]

5 hours ago, Jaye said:

Exactly this. Also making the storyline focused on characters we simply weren't interested in. Focus could've easily remained on Spider-Man and Scarlet Witch while bringing in F4 & The X-Men and shifting towards that. 

i don't think that the case.

 

the case is that the storylines were just boring. antman quantimania was just awful. and I think people didn't actually like whole multuverse thing, they are over it.

 

one thing that also annoys me is that they showed us tons of new characters and what, we don't see don't next and most like never will.

 

for example: any of Eternals? Kit Harington's character teased in Eternals? hawkay daugter? Yelena Belova? when we will se them next?

 

also, thing where connected previously and now when they started not being connected, people started complaining because it doesnt make sense. they said to us everything is happening in one place, one world,  then why none of the avengers noticed big something in the middle of ocean (eternals) or sky chainging in Moon Knight? I mean, simple one-liner text in next movies cound tie-in everyghing but they just don't care

[chris1991]

Kevin needs to get fired! It’s not the women or people of color. He hires horrible writers and doesn’t let directors do their job!

[SinnerCity]

7 hours ago, Trent W said:

The story should have ended with End game and start over something completely new in the 2020s

 

I always thought that was the plan

 

Cause it was what it most make sense

To be fair, Multiverse of Madness should've been the film to kick off the new phase after Avengers but it should've been Doctor Strange Vs Doctor Strange instead of Wanda. An evil Doctor Strange wanting to control the power of the multiverse would've been great and it would've allowed them to explore the plot differently. 

 

Wandavision and Loki would follow after contributing to the multiverse, Wanda searching for her kids and Loki dealing with his variants and slowly tying everything together IMO would've been less messy

[Buffy]

Marvel stopped being great after Avengers 2. They went super overboard after that with all the different spin offs and sequels. I stopped watching everything altogether. Never saw any of the Marvel Disney shows either. Never seen any of Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, Ant Man, Thor, or whatever else. It got to be too much. 

 

I just want X-Men and that’s it. They can go out of business after that. 

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Buffy

[barbiegrande]

No Wanda, no MCU. And they ruined her story arc completely 

[rac7d]

7 hours ago, UNNAMI said:

that's actually great idea

No it’s not that not why he signed up.

he wanted his own black panther, he wanted a deal like the previous marvel trinity had.

 

instead there plan was to use him as a front to introduce other characters ready to take his place.

 

it’s super disrespectful