single Dua Lipa - "Houdini"

[Solaria]

3 minutes ago, BlackoutZone said:

Her smoothly lying that Houdini was always a lead, why was this question even picked

It’s part of the chaos theory I guess

 

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, seanbworth said:

Saying no one knows who she is in USA when she’s been name-dropped in many popular American shows & movies, songs played at any big function, and she’s really popular for fashion, Americans were eating up her photo dump they called her queen of photo dumps. Many pop girls will need a trendy rapper from time to time to push their songs in North America, it’s been a thing for a very long time and will probably always be like that. Also, Billie, Dua, and Olivia all make very different music…lol.

It's the truth. Houdini still may end up being a decent sized hit here, but the complete lack of interest in the US shows she has no fanbase here and is still reliant entirely on the GP. And that should be a huge concern 

 

And no, they don't. At the end of the day they are all mainstream pop stars (Billie a little less so) who flood the airwaves with pop singles, have huge machines behind them, cover mainstream magazines, etc. If anything Dua should be more known celebrity-wise because she makes 100% pure pop music 

 

This obviously does not apply to foreign markets, especially the UK where Dua is absolutely a known celebrity. But in the US, it's not looking good

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Duality > Chaos Theory tbh 

[ariananext]

12 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

It's the truth. Houdini still may end up being a decent sized hit here, but the complete lack of interest in the US shows she has no fanbase here and is still reliant entirely on the GP. And that should be a huge concern 

 

And no, they don't. At the end of the day they are all mainstream pop stars (Billie a little less so) who flood the airwaves with pop singles, have huge machines behind them, cover mainstream magazines, etc. If anything Dua should be more known celebrity-wise because she makes 100% pure pop music 

 

This obviously does not apply to foreign markets, especially the UK where Dua is absolutely a known celebrity. But in the US, it's not looking good

The Weeknd singles also don't smash out of the gate in the US (see Blinding Lights) yet saying he has no interest in the US would be a big ass lie considering his sold out stadium tour and huge albums and hits that became big in the long run.

 

Artists are different and people react to them differently that doesn't take anything away from any of them. Yes, Dua doesn't have a strong fanbase but saying there's no interest for her is far from the truth.

[Raspberries]

7 minutes ago, ariananext said:

The Weeknd singles also don't smash out of the gate in the US (see Blinding Lights) yet saying he has no interest in the US would be a big ass lie considering his sold out stadium tour and huge albums and hits that became big in the long run.

 

Artists are different and people react to them differently that doesn't take anything away from any of them. Yes, Dua doesn't have a strong fanbase but saying there's no interest for her is far from the truth.

Plenty of The Weeknd singles have smashed out of the gate  Starboy went to #3 in its first full week, which was the single/era following his huge commercial breakthrough era. The album debuted at #1 with 350k. Call Out My Name debuted at #4 immediately following the Starboy era 

 

His next full album's lead single debuted at #1 and the album debuted at #1 with 445k

 

Your comparison does not hold up 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Raspberries

[Kristie Kuwa]

1 minute ago, Raspberries said:

Plenty of The Weeknd singles have smashed out of the gate  Starboy went to #3 in its first full week, which was the single/era following his huge commercial breakthrough era. The album debuted at #1 with 350k 

 

His next full album's lead single debuted at #1 and the album debuted at #1 with 445k

 

Your comparison does not hold up 

If I only read your posts, I would've thought shes about to debut at #53

 

Your exaggerations are crazy tbh

[Rotunda]

24 minutes ago, seanbworth said:

Saying no one knows who she is in USA when she’s been name-dropped in many popular American shows & movies, songs played at any big function, and she’s really popular for fashion, Americans were eating up her photo dump they called her queen of photo dumps. Many pop girls will need a trendy rapper from time to time to push their songs in North America, it’s been a thing for a very long time and will probably always be like that. Also, Billie, Dua, and Olivia all make very different music…lol.

There’s no way you think this matters in 2023.

 

 

 

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

If I only read your posts, I would've thought shes about to debut at #53

 

Your exaggerations are crazy tbh

She is quite literally only debuting in the top 20 because of radio. She's out of the top 20 on Spotify and about to fall out of the top 200 on Apple Music  She will be top 40 on overall radio by the week's end because of her massive radio deal

[Bloodflowers.]

33 minutes ago, Love Again said:

 

Houdini being the first part of the story she’s about to tell on DL3 makes me hyped  inshallah she’ll serve concept queen get that critical acclaim

 

Ready for Dua to give me another song that is gonna be my overcoming broken heart anthem

 

[peachftw]

23 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

It's the truth. Houdini still may end up being a decent sized hit here, but the complete lack of interest in the US shows she has no fanbase here and is still reliant entirely on the GP. And that should be a huge concern

Not having a fanbase isn’t a huge concern in the streaming era imo. It’s bad for debuts, but as long as the GP interest is there like it was for FN then she will continue to generate hits even if it means slowly rising up the charts. 
 

 

 

[ariananext]

5 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Plenty of The Weeknd singles have smashed out of the gate  Starboy went to #3 in its first full week, which was the single/era following his huge commercial breakthrough era. The album debuted at #1 with 350k. Call Out My Name debuted at #4 immediately following the Starboy era 

 

His next full album's lead single debuted at #1 and the album debuted at #1 with 445k

 

Your comparison does not hold up 

And yet after all of those, Blinding Lights debuted at #11 only to freefall to #52 and then do #63 - #72 - #59 - #39 - #32 - #21 - #18 - #15 - #12 and finally hit the Top 10 after 3 months. And then, Save Your Tears debuted at #41, fell to #85, #95 and took 2 months to reach the Top 10. And they became his biggest hits ever.

 

Would it have been fair to say he had no interest anymore from people when those songs - which went on to become the biggest hits of the decade - didn't smash as quick as the previous? For what we know it could be the same for Dua, yet here you are saying such things after 5 days. 

[Kristie Kuwa]

9 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

She is quite literally only debuting in the top 20 because of radio. She's out of the top 20 on Spotify and about to fall out of the top 200 on Apple Music  She will be top 40 on overall radio by the week's end because of her massive radio deal

So? She'll rebound. Shes within the Top5 most listened females on Spotify as of now with 2 albums only and 2 Songs (Houdini + DTN), she has the biggest and like 4rh biggest albums on Spotify among females and overall i believe.. like get a grip or return in February when she'll smash in the US too

Edited November 14, 2023 by Kristie Kuwa

[theoghon]

I streamed this high-iq bawp once again 2day (saving my streams for the full album experience) and all i can say...A SMASHA is definitely incoming

[seanbworth]

52 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

It's the truth. Houdini still may end up being a decent sized hit here, but the complete lack of interest in the US shows she has no fanbase here and is still reliant entirely on the GP. And that should be a huge concern 

 

And no, they don't. At the end of the day they are all mainstream pop stars (Billie a little less so) who flood the airwaves with pop singles, have huge machines behind them, cover mainstream magazines, etc. If anything Dua should be more known celebrity-wise because she makes 100% pure pop music 

 

This obviously does not apply to foreign markets, especially the UK where Dua is absolutely a known celebrity. But in the US, it's not looking good

Yes I’ll admit, she’s more reliant on the GP in the USA more than anywhere else and the stats have been showing that for a long time, that’s more to do with management though but I think now that her family is handling her career it’ll be a lot better. A Dua Lipa Fan account should’ve been made 6 years ago, lol

[mike_int]

 

Capital FM ... Jingle Bell Ball performance confirmed?

Edited November 14, 2023 by mike_int

[DoubleRainbow!]

The Instrumental isn’t available in my country 

HEEELP 

[Kool_Aid_King]

2 hours ago, katara said:

These fools have been doubting Rih EVERY step of her career.

 

I stan her and each and every lead single of hers was trashed by ATRL coz it didn't take off immediately. 

Not a single lead single of hers smashed out the gate. 

[seanbworth]

She’s houdining with the instrumental 

[unclefloprry]

Again Latinamerica and Europe saving her career 

 

ugh GLOBAL Lipa the GLOBAL queen that you are, who cares about Trump country 

 

[ariananext]

25 minutes ago, seanbworth said:

Yes I’ll admit, she’s more reliant on the GP in the USA more than anywhere else and the stats have been showing that for a long time, that’s more to do with management though but I think now that her family is handling her career it’ll be a lot better. A Dua Lipa Fan account should’ve been made 6 years ago, lol

Yep, not only dance music isn't the biggest genre in the US, but there have been some "missteps" if you will. Mostly because her team treated the US as the UK which doesn't really work.

 

The US audience relies much more on "personal connection", the artist's personality is a priority, they want to know about their personal life, personal experiences etc., and Dua's team has never really booked her occasions that could help her build that connection, add to that that she's not very active on social media with her fans, her profiles are mostly like billboards of her life rather than insights. Plus her songs are more fun than personal, and that, too, doesn't allow people to connect with her on a personal level. For most people fun songs are good for a second but they rarely push people to dive further. 

 

At the same time, they were always great with booking promo that allows her to smash chart-wise. I wonder if the strategy's gonna change for this album.

Edited November 14, 2023 by ariananext

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Wasnt Work a smash out the gate for Rihanna? I thought it debuted at #1 and stayed there for like 9 weeks

[Lamb4life]

52 minutes ago, ariananext said:

And yet after all of those, Blinding Lights debuted at #11 only to freefall to #52 and then do #63 - #72 - #59 - #39 - #32 - #21 - #18 - #15 - #12 and finally hit the Top 10 after 3 months. And then, Save Your Tears debuted at #41, fell to #85, #95 and took 2 months to reach the Top 10. And they became his biggest hits ever.

 

Would it have been fair to say he had no interest anymore from people when those songs - which went on to become the biggest hits of the decade - didn't smash as quick as the previous? For what we know it could be the same for Dua, yet here you are saying such things after 5 days. 

This is such a failed comparison. In actuality, Heartless was marketed as the lead comeback single for the After Hours era and despite being a mid song, it debuted at no.1 because of his fanbase. Blinding Lights intially was just a promo single and it took off. And Save Your Tears was a fourth single. Unlike Dua, The Weeknd had cultivated a loyal following BEFORE his commercial breakout. His debut album sold almost 100k first week without a hit single or positive critical reception. I could give you million more examples.

 

No one knows how Houdini is going to perform in the long run and all we can do is wait and see. But choosing The Weeknd to prove your points is not it.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Lamb4life

[Navyofbadgals]

3 minutes ago, houdini said:

Wasnt Work a smash out the gate for Rihanna? I thought it debuted at #1 and stayed there for like 9 weeks

It didn’t debut at #1; I think it went #1 in like its 3rd week or so. I believe it debuted at #9 

 

I do still vividly remember the threads on atrl on how so many people predicted that it would completely bomb, peak very low, barely chart at all  I believe some even ridiculed her debuting at #9 even if that was just based on a few days of tracking 

[shark_heather]

Im sorry but i see some comparisons here and it feels SO STUPID 

 

 

How can someone compare Dua with Rihanna 

The ONLY thing they have in common is that they both dont have a strong fanbase and their success is based mainly on the GP and this is why usually it takes months for their singles to peak 

 

Apart from that Rihanna was almost never as pop as Dua is , she was always playing with the genres which gave her biggest audience and she had a lot of collabs which also helped ( see Work .. as someone mentioned above ) 

[ariananext]

Just now, Lamb4life said:

This is such a failed comparison. In actuality, Heartless was marketed as the lead comeback single for the After Hours era and despite being a mid song, it debuted at no.1 because of his fanbase. Blinding Lights intially was just a promo single and it took off. And Save Your Tears was a fourth single. Unlike Dua, The Weeknd had cultivated a loyal following BEFORE his commercial breakout. His debut album sold almost 100k first week without a hit single or positive critical reception. I could give you million more examples.

 

No one knows how Houdini is going to perform in the long run and all we can do is wait and see. But choosing The Weeknd to prove your point is not it.

Not only Heartless is a great song but you're literally trying to rewrite history:

 

"Heartless" entered the Billboard Hot 100 at number 32 on the issue dated December 7, 2019. The following week, it jumped 31 positions to the number one position on the chart, becoming the Weeknd's fourth number-one single in the United States. However, on the issue dated December 21, 2019, "Heartless" fell sixteen places out of the top ten to number 17 partly due to Christmas songs overtaking the upper half of the chart, becoming the biggest drop from the number-one spot in the chart's 61-year history.

 

It spent a total of two weeks in the Top 10, one of which at number 1. Yes, Abel did and does have a stronger fanbase (he's also not a european artist) but that's not my point: as I said, there were other times when big artists didn't smash right out of the gate despite having built a big career already, and it all turned out more than fine. She has the biggest female hits of the decade, a sold out-tour (her first arena tour), two huge albums and big endorsements. She's not lacking anything. Now if haters want to hate on her for the sake of hating that's another story.