base talk Is there any singer who can reach the level of MJ, Madonna & Britney fame?

[WildHeart]

58 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

That smash isn't a smash in other territories though which is exactly my point. You assume that because of her No. 1 on the Hot 100 and presumably her Spotify Global chart position without taking into account that that specific chart is based on cumulative daily streams of which most come from North America which is also why Morgan Wallen could chart there. Now, of course Taylor gets streams from everywhere (unlike Morgan) which is why she's so high there but if you look at individual territories then Cruel Summer is NOT a smash: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_Summer_(Taylor_Swift_song)#Weekly_charts

Only 25% of Cruel Summer's streams come from the US, what are you talking about? 

It has almost 1B streams outside of the US. That’s the definition of a global smash. It is as global as it gets. 

 

62% of Last Night's daily streams come from the US (and it does only 1.5M WW). There are literally zero similarities between them. 

 

58 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

When it comes to albums, Taylor has just reached her first No. 1 with Midnights in France but it's not the type of No. 1 that Gaga's peak albums were there and in Poland (where I'm from) she is the only main pop girl aside from Christina Aguilera that has NOT reached the No. 1 spot on the album chart at any point in her career and even though Midnights is a success here (as I keep pointing out that she's successful everywhere) it's not the type of success that Gaga's peak albums had (No. 1 on the album chart, Diamond certification) or Adele.

Again, Midnights is not Taylor's only album unlike Gaga. She is charting her whole catalogue and her demand is spread across 10 albums. 

Her catalogue gets 80M daily streams, 50M outside of the US. This is as big as it gets and specific countries like France and Poland are not changing anything. 

 

And the funny thing is that, she should out 3 stadium shows in your country (first artist to do so) in a few hours. How much bigger can she be? 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Maroonx]

LOL that picture is just too much.

 

I do think Rihi, Gaga, Taylor (even Bey) have all paid their dues and could end up up there with the greats. x

[JaXXXon]

10 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Only 25% of Cruel Summer's streams come from the US, what are you talking about? 

It has almost 1B streams outside of the US. That’s the definition of a global smash. It is as global as it gets. 

 

62% of Last Night's daily streams come from the US (and it does only 1.5M WW). There are literally zero similarities between them. 

 

Again, Midnights is not Taylor's only album unlike Gaga. She is charting her whole catalogue and her demand is spread across 10 albums. 

Her catalogue gets 80M daily streams, 50M outside of the US. This is as big as it gets and specific countries like France and Poland are not changing anything. 

 

And the funny thing is that, she should out 3 stadium shows in your country (first artist to do so) in a few hours. How much bigger can she be? 

You're literally arguing with charts though. It is NOT a smash as a smash or a big hit is usually Top 10 across the globe. This one is not. 

 

And that stadium thing. By your logic Harry Styles is bigger than MJ and so is Coldplay because the entire top 5 of the highest grossing tours of ALL TIME are from this year. That means touring has exploded so her selling out three stadiums as a big act is to be expected. Nowadays, even local acts in Poland are TOURING big stadiums in the country because touring has become so big. This only proves Swift is big in my country which was never the topic. 

 

The topic is her peak is not on par with Gaga and Adele. Her whole discography could be charting but it's doing so based on streams. Her devoted fans are replaying her music at home which in turn counts towards the charts. Anti-Hero didn't chart inside the Top 25 of the Polish singles chart or the Airplay chart. Her albums have never had enough anticipation to go #1. That says it all. 

 

She's big but she's not Gaga or Adele peak-wise here (#1 songs, #1 albums and sold out concerts). 

[WildHeart]

11 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

You're literally arguing with charts though. It is NOT a smash as a smash or a big hit is usually Top 10 across the globe. This one is not. 

YOU are arguing with charts. 

 

Cruel Summer daily 

Global - 4.828M

US - 1.179M (24%)

Outside of the US - 3.649M (76%)

 

10th most streamed song daily - 3.573M 

 

Even without its US streams, it is big enough to be top 10 globally. It is that global. 

And her catalogue performs similarly which just shows how global she is... 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[JaXXXon]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

YOU are arguing with charts. 

 

Cruel Summer daily 

Global - 4.828M

US - 1.179M (24%)

Outside of the US - 3.649M (76%)

 

10th most streamed song daily - 3.573M 

 

Even without its US streams, it is big enough to be top 10 globally. It is that global. 

And her catalogue performs similarly which just shows how global she is... 

It's #130 in France, #36 in Denmark, #26 in Germany, #89 in Italy, #92 in Brazil, #51 in Russia, #143 in South Korea, #23 in Switzlerland and N/A in Poland. Those are official charts. In no way is it a smash. 

[Cruel Summer]

2 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

It's #130 in France, #36 in Denmark, #26 in Germany, #89 in Italy, #92 in Brazil, #51 in Russia, #143 in South Korea, #23 in Switzlerland and N/A in Poland. Those are official charts. In no way is it a smash. 

Do you think chart peaks define the entirety of a music release's commercial performance and success? Does every music release have to be perfectly global for an artist to have earned a place next to other stars who were also not perfectly global and who had some singles and albums that did better in certain territories?

[WildHeart]

14 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

It's #130 in France, #36 in Denmark, #26 in Germany, #89 in Italy, #92 in Brazil, #51 in Russia, #143 in South Korea, #23 in Switzlerland and N/A in Poland. Those are official charts. In no way is it a smash. 

It is 5th most streamed English song in Germany. 

It is 3rd most streamed English song in Brazil. 

It is 4th most streamed English song in Germany. 

It is 6th most streamed English song in Switzerland. 

And it is 10th most streamed English song in Poland. 

 

Local songs dominate most of those countries so expecting US like chart runs in those countries is totally nonsensical. 

 

No English song is charting in the top 10 in all countries you listed. Actually, you can select random 3-4 countries and still none. 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Raspberries]

That person arguing Poland and Switzerland stats  

[BANKS]

thought this is video was supppper

interesting. would love to know y’all’s thoughts! 

[adylovestaylorandjb]

6 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Oh honey. You're giving me the stats of current Spotify charts when this is about overall achievements in those countries.

 

Taylor has sold less units in those European territories than Gaga.

 

This is Swift's European peak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnights#Certifications_and_sales

 

This is the beginning of Gaga's downfall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_This_Way_(album)#Certifications_and_sales

 

That's when people were saying Gaga was underperforming yet she was still certified twice as much as Taylor's Midnights in Europe. Should I post iTunes Charts from 2011 and compare them to Taylor or??? I don't know what you're implying. Taylor is currently the biggest female around but in total consumption in units and single charts she's behind Gaga outside of America. 

Taylor is about to enter 100 million album units outside USA by next year first few months. She is already like 90 million outside America which is more than gaga's career total. World doesn't revolves around grandpa in Italian village. She is massive in Asia. She is massive in latin America too and now massive in Europe. Her non American total outsells gaga's career. Your point?

 

In end whole album consumption untis matter. She is massive outside USA. She is about to move 45 million album units this year. Only 15 Or 16 million units will come from USA. Others will come outside from America. Come to 2023. We r not stuck in 2011. Taylor has outsold gaga's whole career  as a whole with her non American total 

Edited October 27, 2023 by adylovestaylorandjb

[Great808]

Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Ariana Grande, Blackpink, Taylor. 

[Smilers]

Taylor is far bigger than Britney

[Sharamee6]

LOL. Sometimes it's healthy to be realistic, delusion is a disease. Britney never reached the level MJ/Madonna reached. As a matter of fact, Britney didn't even reach Taylor/Bieber/Rihanna level, let alone the King and the Queen.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Sharamee6

[Monkey_Juice]

Not you guys saying Gaga when she was only successful for two era's 

 

Taylor has the sales but is seen as mediocre/corny outside her core white audience

 

Britney came close but lacked the longevity

 

Beyonce is close but lacks the sales and innovation

 

Nobody is seeing MJ Period 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JaXXXon]

19 hours ago, adylovestaylorandjb said:

Taylor is about to enter 100 million album units outside USA by next year first few months. She is already like 90 million outside America which is more than gaga's career total. World doesn't revolves around grandpa in Italian village. She is massive in Asia. She is massive in latin America too and now massive in Europe. Her non American total outsells gaga's career. Your point?

My point is that looking at official certifications outside of the US, and not just some fan-made and fan-counted numbers, Gaga's 9 albums (six studio albums, soundtrack album and her two jazz efforts) have reached 13.6 million certified units sold, while Taylor's 13 albums (10 studio albums and three re-releases) are currently at 13.2 million in official certifications outside of the US. You can do the math yourself or ask ChatGPT about adding all her certifications up to a total. 

 

And those are just album certifications. Gaga has the most DIAMOND certified singles in music history according to the Guinness World Records, so her total outside of America will be even greater. 

 

Whether you like it or not, the official **certified** units are on Gaga's side and that's with less releases. You tried though, so here's your medal which also perfectly aligns with Taylor's spot: 

Edited October 28, 2023 by JaXXXon

[WildHeart]

6 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

My point is that looking at official certifications outside of the US, and not just some fan-made and fan-counted numbers, Gaga's 9 albums (six studio albums, soundtrack album and her two jazz efforts) have reached 13.6 million certified units sold, while Taylor's 13 albums (10 studio albums and three re-releases) are currently at 13.2 million in official certifications outside of the US. You can do the math yourself or ask ChatGPT about adding all her certifications up to a total. 

 

And those are just album certifications. Gaga has the most DIAMOND certified singles in music history according to the Guinness World Records, so her total outside of America will be even greater. 

 

Whether you like it or not, the official **certified** units are on Gaga's side and that's with less releases. You tried though, so here's your medal which also perfectly aligns with Taylor's spot: 

There is no fan made numbers. 

 

Taylor sold 22M units last year per Universal Music 

https://www.universalmusic.com/taylor-swift-makes-global-music-history-once-again-in-2022/

 

9M of it came from the US which leaves 13M outside of the US. 

 

That means Taylor sold more last year than what Gaga sold in her whole career (according to your numbers) outside the US. Oh Gaga 

[JaXXXon]

4 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

There is no fan made numbers. 

 

Taylor sold 22M units last year per Universal Music 

https://www.universalmusic.com/taylor-swift-makes-global-music-history-once-again-in-2022/

 

9M of it came from the US which leaves 13M outside of the US. 

 

That means Taylor sold more last year than what Gaga sold in her whole career (according to your numbers) outside the US. Oh Gaga 

Not you arguing with actual facts while listing numbers without receipts that Taylor's own label put out 

The FACTS are the official sales certifications have Gaga selling more. Whether you want to argue with that is on you but you remain losing. 

[WildHeart]

1 minute ago, JaXXXon said:

Not you arguing with actual facts while listing numbers without receipts that Taylor's own label put out 

The FACTS are the official sales certifications have Gaga selling more. Whether you want to argue with that is on you but you remain losing. 

Universal is not official now? 

[JaXXXon]

3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Universal is not official now? 

I don't know how old you are but the practice is common that labels will always exaggerate and have so-called "claimed sales" that aren't proven, which is why sales certifications is the way to maintain professional receipts on how much an artist has sold in each country. 

 

Outside of the US, official certifications remain on Gaga's side for now. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by JaXXXon

[Cruel Summer]

Just now, JaXXXon said:

I don't know how old you are but the practice is common that labels will always exaggerate and have so-called "claimed sales" that aren't proven, which is why sales certifications is the way to maintain professional receipts on how much an artist has sold in each country. 

 

Outside of the US, official certifications remain on Gaga's side for now. 

Record labels meaningfully inflating or lying about their sales hasn't been common practice since systems like Soundscan were implemented and IFPI began tracking global consumption.

 

Also, your ChatGPT total for Taylor's certifications needs an update.

[JaXXXon]

49 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

Record labels meaningfully inflating or lying about their sales hasn't been common practice since systems like Soundscan were implemented and IFPI began tracking global consumption.

 

Also, your ChatGPT total for Taylor's certifications needs an update.

It's actually the exact total. Just check yourself. 

 

And yes, since IFPI began tracking sales that's how much Taylor and Gaga have sold outside of the US. There are literally no certifications that have Taylor at 90M, excluding US sales. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by JaXXXon

[Cruel Summer]

10 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

It's actually the exact total. Just check yourself. 

 

And yes, since IFPI began tracking sales that's how much Taylor and Gaga have sold outside of the US. There are literally no certifications that have Taylor at 90M, excluding US sales. 

I did check the total. I got another number.

 

Regardless, don't deflect - I was talking about the reliability of label reports, not saying certified totals matched any certain number. I don't care that they don't match it. Certifications are a largely antiquated concept used almost exclusively for promotional purposes these days.

 

 

[Sharamee6]

I can't believe a Gaga fan has the audacity to argue with Taylor Swift fans over sales/fame/popularity. Like, do yourself a favour and hide under a rock. For ***** sake, Taylor just released a movie that grossed over $100 million the first week in the US (almost $50 million internationally) and is on a tour that is about to break every little record (WORLD-WIDE), scored her 10th #1 this week and has officially become a billionaire! Snap out of whatever the **** you're smoking. I am not a Swiftie by any means, but just don't go there, you're embarrassing yourself, no matter how you try to spin the narrative. Take a break and check out a few meat gown images on Google, might soothe the delusion; or better yet get a perscription for the migraine meds Gagz has been promoting, I think it's time to pop some pills.

 

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Edited October 28, 2023 by Sharamee6

[Alldeezy]

imo Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift and maybe my girl rihanna?

[P!NK2LOVE]

Is this thread just a jab at Taylor?  she’s up there with them. Yawn.