base talk Is there any singer who can reach the level of MJ, Madonna & Britney fame?

[JaXXXon]

6 hours ago, Oktober Knight said:

With just a handful of singles? 

Oh it was more than just a handful of singles. She had the best-selling album, the best-selling song, the most watched music video of ALL TIME at the time with Bad Romance, became the most followed WOMAN on Facebook after Obama and Michael Jackson, broke the record for most consecutive top 10 singles, had the best-selling digital album of all time, had the biggest audience in history for a Today show performance and popularized fandom names in Western music. She was the IT girl which was why her commercial downfall made such a splash. 

[Storm653]

1 minute ago, JaXXXon said:

The MAIN problem with Taylor Swift's peak is that she isn't the biggest artist in every part of the world. Michael and Madonna didn't have that problem, they were HUGE everywhere whereas Taylor has her weak markets like France, Italy, most of mainland Europe. Yes, she's big there as well but not Michael or Madonna big. 

 

Lady Gaga was equally HUMONGOUS in every market. You couldn't find a single place where she wasn't absolutely dominating. Adele was like that as well. Taylor isn't.

 

Madonna is more in line with their peaks than Michael's though. His was just... no words. 

Lady Gaga was not huge in Africa by any metric. I'd even argue that Taylor has a bigger presence there than Gaga. 

 

Gaga at her peak was bigger in Latin America(where my parents are from) but Taylor especially today is not far behind her. Mexico, Brazil, and Argentina are some of her strongest markets and I have cousins in Central America that are big time Swifties. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JaXXXon]

1 minute ago, Storm653 said:

Lady Gaga was not huge in Africa by any metric. I'd even argue that Taylor has a bigger presence there than Gaga. 

 

Gaga at her peak was bigger in Latin America(where my parents are from) but Taylor especially today is not far behind her. Mexico, Brazil, and Argentina are some of her strongest markets and I have cousins in Central America that are big time Swifties. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah but Gaga obliterated Taylor in Europe. Mainland Europe, for example. Gaga was still popular in Africa but her popularity in both Europe and Latin America completely beats Taylor's. 

[Spooky Mulder]

This is such a late 2000s kind of thread

Edited October 26, 2023 by Spooky Mulder

[Oktober Knight]

31 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Oh it was more than just a handful of singles. She had the best-selling album, the best-selling song, the most watched music video of ALL TIME at the time with Bad Romance, became the most followed WOMAN on Facebook after Obama and Michael Jackson, broke the record for most consecutive top 10 singles, had the best-selling digital album of all time, had the biggest audience in history for a Today show performance and popularized fandom names in Western music. She was the IT girl which was why her commercial downfall made such a splash. 

Still never reached the same level of popularity as Madonna and MJ, sorry. I lived through their peaks and no matter what y'all say (usually referring to streaming numbers), she was never anywhere close as popular as the king and queen of pop. Now Britney is debatable because of her ups and downs but I would say she never quite reached Britney's level at her peak either. 

[Popboi.]

30 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Yeah but Gaga obliterated Taylor in Europe. Mainland Europe, for example. Gaga was still popular in Africa but her popularity in both Europe and Latin America completely beats Taylor's. 

Taylor has been bigger than Gaga in Latin America for a while now.

[FreeXone]

13 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

Taylor has been bigger than Gaga in Latin America for a while now.

We are talking about peaks not long run. 

[Popboi.]

Just now, FreeXone said:

We are talking about peaks not long run. 

Even then, she's bigger right now (past couple years) than Gaga's ever been, her current streaming consumption blows Gaga's 2008-2012 pure sales out of the water, and Eras Tour will likely end up being the biggest female tour ever in Latin America while Born This Way Ball didn't do well... at all 

[dirrtydiana]

The success stans pushing that in here drake just got more #1s than MJ. They’re hardly the same 

 

OT: Rihanna moved the whole world in February with no new music 

[VioletsandRoses]

1 hour ago, Popboi. said:

Taylor has been bigger than Gaga in Latin America for a while now.

She only became bigger around Lover/ASIB era. And the difference in album sales there is more than double (960k vs 1.9m) with less albums. Gaga’s only behind Adele in LATAM when it comes to album and single sales there. The only pop girl that Taylor surpassed there is Rihanna. Katy and Beyonce also sold more albums and singles with less releases. 
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If we’re talking about sales then Whitney’s peak was bigger than Madonna’s. 
Shania, Alanis, Adele, Gaga and Taylor's peak are bigger than Britney. 

If we’re talking about celeb status then Gaga was the last mega smash near that level. The headlines, the outfits, back to back smashes, huge album sales for the climate, etc. Recently I’ll say Billie was the last one but it wasn’t as big and that’s mostly due pop culture not being as big anymore. 

[Popboi.]

2 minutes ago, VioletsandRoses said:

She only became bigger around Lover/ASIB era. And the difference in album sales there is more than double (960k vs 1.9m) with less albums. Gaga’s only behind Adele in LATAM when it comes to album and single sales there. The only pop girl that Taylor surpassed there is Rihanna. Katy and Beyonce also sold more albums and singles with less releases. 

Pure sales have been dead in the water in Latin America for a decade now, so it's impossible to compare popularity on that front only.

[VioletsandRoses]

2 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

Pure sales have been dead in the water in Latin America for a decade now, so it's impossible to compare popularity on that front only.

Both girls debuted in the pure sale era and we only get shipment data from Latin America. Even single sales and streaming numbers are hard to find there. Especially on YouTube where it has always been bigger. 

[Popboi.]

6 minutes ago, VioletsandRoses said:

Both girls debuted in the pure sale era and we only get shipment data from Latin America. Even single sales and streaming numbers are hard to find there. Especially on YouTube where it has always been bigger. 

Taylor blew up here with 1989 so it's not about when they "debuted", unlike Gaga she didn't peak from the get go, especially internationally.

[Ron Ng]

Not people here underestimate Britney's impact. I'm not her stan but her peak during 1999-2007 was INSANE and no one after her has come close to that. And don't forget this site was made by her.

 

Biggest peaks fame-wise: Madonna (1983-1992) > Britney (1999-2007) > Gaga (2009-11)

Edited October 26, 2023 by Ron Ng

[Yuanyu]

6 hours ago, Storm653 said:

If we're keeping it absolutely real, Eminem and Justin Bieber are definitely in the conversation if we're strictly talking about global fame and not music quality, influence, or likeability.

 

They're both very famous and have fans in practically every continent including places in Africa, Latin America, and South Asia. 

'if we're strictly talking about global fame and not music quality, influence, or likeability'

The mental gymnastics you do is worthy of study. 

[Mystic Boy]

4 hours ago, Oktober Knight said:

Still never reached the same level of popularity as Madonna and MJ, sorry. I lived through their peaks and no matter what y'all say (usually referring to streaming numbers), she was never anywhere close as popular as the king and queen of pop.

Oh yes she was and you know it

[She-Rah]

18 hours ago, Frogger17 said:

Get off the internet lying. Britney certainly never did, since her fame level never lasted for decades like the other two, but Madonna's fame rivaled Michael's in the '80s and you know it. Sales of Thriller aside, they were both EVERYWHERE. 

Yes, the lady from Michigan was able to be maintain a stellar career well into her 50’s where as Michael’s music career was tragic and he was a punching bag and always in the news for all of his SA scandals with children. You rarely even hear about her personal life, she’s mostly discussed for what she does on stage or her music and the last few years her controversial IG.

 

 

[She-Rah]

2 hours ago, Ron Ng said:

Not people here underestimate Britney's impact. I'm not her stan but her peak during 1999-2007 was INSANE and no one after her has come close to that. And don't forget this site was made by her.

 

Biggest peaks fame-wise: Madonna (1983-1992) > Britney (1999-2007) > Gaga (2009-11)

Britney’s peak did NOT  last until 2007… what kind of lie is this? 
 

britneys peak was 1999-2003. Her peak ended when she had her knee surgery and cancelled the rest of the onyx hotel tour. 

[Avenger]

36 minutes ago, She-Rah said:

Britney’s peak did NOT  last until 2007… what kind of lie is this? 
 

britneys peak was 1999-2003. Her peak ended when she had her knee surgery and cancelled the rest of the onyx hotel tour. 

Britney was still one of the biggest faces on the planet in the media for good or bad though. 

[Ron Ng]

38 minutes ago, She-Rah said:

Britney’s peak did NOT  last until 2007… what kind of lie is this? 
 

britneys peak was 1999-2003. Her peak ended when she had her knee surgery and cancelled the rest of the onyx hotel tour. 

Sis Britney was everywhere in 2007, people went to the internet to check for her news daily, is Google a lie?

 

[BionicWooHoo]

People arguing about whether Gaga or Taylor is more successful in Africa is sending me nnnnnn 

[Bosque]

6 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Nope. I can tell you I lived through all four peaks (Britney, Gaga, Adele and Taylor) and Taylor is dead last in terms of overseas except for Anglosphere, China and the Philippines. 

You lived in all three of these regions for all four of their peaks?

[She-Rah]

9 minutes ago, Avenger said:

Britney was still one of the biggest faces on the planet in the media for good or bad though. 

 

4 minutes ago, Ron Ng said:

Sis Britney was everywhere in 2007, people went to the internet to check for her news daily, is Google a lie?

 

So was Paris Hilton, Ana Nicole Smith etc, that is called being infamous. We were talking of career peaks as an artist. She was literally referred to as a train wreck when she got with kfed in 2004(?) she was everywhere because she was walking into gas stations bathrooms barefoot and driving with her son on her lap. I wouldn’t consider that anyone’s peak more like rock bottom to be frank.

[Avenger]

1 minute ago, She-Rah said:

 

So was Paris Hilton, Ana Nicole Smith etc, that is called being infamous. We were talking of career peaks as an artist. She was literally referred to as a train wreck when she got with kfed in 2004(?) she was everywhere because she was walking into gas stations bathrooms barefoot and driving with her son on her lap. I wouldn’t consider that anyone’s peak more like rock bottom to be frank.

The thread was about fame, but yes you do have a point.

[ontherocks]

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