tost1 Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 As if majority of us even experienced madonna and mj at their peak... Britney was huge and gaga was huge from what i experienced. I can't really tell how big taylor atm is since I'm an adult now and other than this site I'm barely in touch with pop culture
dirrtydiana Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 7 hours ago, iamanearthling said: We’re living in one right now and you know who she is. Don’t be shy. What you ordered online vs when it arrived teas OT: no. Just Janet, Beyoncé and Rihanna came close but without the scandals 1 1
Zaynsus Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 The thing is that back in the 80s/90s, superstars were inescapable, there wasn't a lot of ways to access information, there was no internet, only TV (and there wasn't a lot of channels so not that many choices), magazines and paper news. So MJ, Madonna or Britney were always "in our faces". Nowadays, there's no debate that Taylor is pretty much up there with them. The difference is that now, you have so many ways to access information and you can easily avoid her, which is my case. I know she's massive because the numbers prove it, but since I'm not exposed to her music and success (I don't follow her or any Pop news account on social media, I don't watch TV, I don't listen to the radio, I never talk about music IRL...), she doesn't feel huge like MJ or Madonna, even though she actually is. 2
FreeXone Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) Gaga did in 2009-2011. I’m not even a Gaga fan but you can’t deny her star power then. Everyone praised her, her music and looks were instantly iconic. Totally brought in the new wave of dance pop that followed. Even rappers like nicki had to follow suit. She had it in a CHOKEHOLD. Her name was iconic. She had the mystique. The outfits. The performances. The music. Her Madonna beef. The music videos. Born this way catapulpting gay rights. ETC ETC She DID THAT Taylor while inescapable has done nothing iconic or revolutionary like Gaga, mj or Madonna did. Outside of massive sales it’s like…stale lol but her celebrity is huge in the states and I suppose overseas Edited October 25, 2023 by FreeXone 3
The7thStranger Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 The level of fame Michael Jackson acheived destroyed his life. Don’t wish that on anybody. You don’t get to fly that close to the sun without your wings melting.
Psyduck Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) Beyonce Rihanna Taylor Swift Lady Gaga Justin Bieber Adele I would even add Miley in terms of sheer fame. Once you are a global household name then that's that, there's not much further to go in terms of being famous. All these artists have their names and their hit songs known even in remote corners of the world. Also important to remember that fame doesn't always correlate with success, chart positions, etc. Paris Hilton was easily one of the most famous women in the world in the mid 2000s but she only got one moderate hit and a couple flop movies out of it. But she was still absurdly famous and talked about and known globally. She was a "love-to-hate" emblem of American culture. Edited October 25, 2023 by Psyduck
Psyduck Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Oktober Knight said: With just a handful of singles? Yes? Gaga became a global cultural phenomenon very very quickly. She went from total obscurity to selling out stadiums worldwide in like two years. She suddenly became the centre of global pop music and within a year or so everyone sounded and looked like her. And then she was able to translate that global name recognition into becoming a bona fide movie star. Movie stars tend to be the most famous and global of them all, never underestimate the reach of Hollywood movies around the world. A Star is Born was huge and Joker 2 will be even bigger. 1 2 2
Harsh2256 Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 Not this thread turning into another Britney Spears hate club reunion but yes some users have perfectly summed up why we can't have stars those big anymore and i think it's better that way for the celebrities aswell.
TipToe Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 Not anymore, no. The "superstar" era is a thing of the past. I experienced Britney peak, media was obsessed with her on an absurd level, thats a fact. Everybody that watched the news or opened a damn magazine knew who she was. Nowadays you will only get in touch with most popular artists thru intentional action, aka if they do something relevant within your friends circles and Spotify recommends them etc. It's all very segmented. 2
Mystic Boy Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 The Britney sneak The fact that her fame peak being driven mostly by her tragic personal life made you think she could have a seat at Michael and Madonna table is beyond delusional,what an insult to these Virtuosos She was never respected as a musician to begin with and is the epitome of a manufactured music industry puppet who rarely had a word on her art. The closest Popstars that had Madonna and MJ experience combining success,respect, acclaim,shock value, controversy and impact are Lady Gaga 2009 - 2012 Beyoncé 2013 - 2016 Taylor Swift presentally in the US.
Psyduck Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said: The Britney sneak The fact that her fame peak being driven mostly by her tragic personal life made you think she could have a seat at Michael and Madonna table is beyond delusional,what an insult to these Virtuosos She was never respected as a musician to begin with and is the epitome of a manufactured music industry puppet who rarely had a word on her art. The closest Popstars that had Madonna and MJ experience combining success,respect, acclaim,shock value, controversy and impact are Lady Gaga 2009 - 2012 Beyoncé 2013 - 2016 Taylor Swift presentally in the US. That is all very subjective (and disparaging to Britney's talent) but in terms of fame she was absolutely on that level. Britney was known in small villages on the sides of mountains. She was synonymous with pop music and with American culture at the time.
Mystic Boy Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, BnPac said: Eminem was HUGE, arguably bigger than anyone from that era until now. He was a proper popstar despite his music genre. He was everywhere, a subject of constant conversation and polemic. Also this! We tend to forget about him when he's a clear contender! 7 hours ago, CandleGuy said: Some of these comments are going to age horribly when it is announced that Britney Jean Spears has officially broken the record for biggest debut of all time for a non-fiction book Who cares about book sales? Edited October 25, 2023 by Mystic Boy 1
Mystic Boy Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Psyduck said: That is all very subjective (and disparaging to Britney's talent) but in terms of fame she was absolutely on that level. Britney was known in small villages on the sides of mountains. She was synonymous with pop music and with American culture at the time. Yes she was very well known.... Is that enough to put her on MJ and Madonna level though? Nsync, Backstreet Boys and The Spice Girls were also very well known,does that put them on The Beatles level?
shoganai Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 Different time for different icons. Nowadays everyone is famous and singers aren’t the only trendsetters like it was back in the days. Taylor however is walking her way, this is undeniable.
Storm653 Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 If we're keeping it absolutely real, Eminem and Justin Bieber are definitely in the conversation if we're strictly talking about global fame and not music quality, influence, or likeability. They're both very famous and have fans in practically every continent including places in Africa, Latin America, and South Asia.
Bears01 Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 7 hours ago, AxelFox said: As somebody mentioned earlier, we live very different times now and it's virtually impossible to have humongous cultural figures like that anymore. Beyoncé was the last superstar. Taylor swift is on a huge commercial peak right now no doubt but you have to be very deluded to not see that most people over the age of 25 do not care for her like that. She's more comparable to the teen crazes like One direction and early justin bieber rather than Michael jackson and Madonna, be for real. Fam this is so ignorant. This might be true in your corner of Europe, but in the U.S. I can promise you this is not the case whatsoever
Storm653 Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 8 hours ago, differentkindahigh said: I wrote because of the men she conflated into her life, she would be irrelevant in this conversation. She used men to make the media interested in her, because unlike the other 3 you mentioned there is not the artistry, the music or anything else interesting about her to write about. If you're upset about that you can say it. Awful take. And it's especially funny given how Britney used to be known as a tabloid fodder pop star in real time during her peak before people started getting nostalgic for her music and sympathizing with her plight in later years. A Britney stan talking about Taylor being known for her dates or controversy is the pinnacle of irony and revisionist history lol. I was following pop culture in real time during Britney's peak and, after Oops the album, Britney was literally the poster child for relationship drama, tabloid fodder, and celebrity gossip overshadowing her music career. Obviously, Taylor's shenanigans get some news coverage but Taylor in 2023 is 5 times more respected as an artist than Britney during 99-04. This isn't me going off of the Internet. This is based on what I've seen in real time. I even remember people hyping up Christina and Avril as "real artists" while slandering Britney back then. And I say this as someone who likes Britney and wishes her the best in life. 1
Storm653 Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, BnPac said: Eminem was HUGE, arguably bigger than anyone from that era until now. He was a proper popstar despite his music genre. He was everywhere, a subject of constant conversation and polemic. Taylor right now is causing a huge mania as well. Beyoncé did as well. But both their celebrity peaks happen in different market so it’s probably not as explosive as these four. They also lead relative low-key lives. Exactly and I say that as someone who doesn't care for his music post 2009. Eminem had not just one but 2 massive peaks(1999-2004 and 2009-2013). He sold the most albums of any male artist in the 2000's and the 2010's. He has 3 Diamond albums and 3 Diamond singles. He has a blockbuster movie that outgrossed Space Jam globally. And he's arguably more famous in every continent than Beyonce and Taylor Swift. He's still one of the most streamed artists today. And he just outsold Led Zeppelin not that long ago. I know he's problematic and not exactly a pop star but he's definitely in the conversation. Justin Bieber, love him or hate him, is very famous globally too and his reach in Asia is arguably stronger than Taylor's especially with all the K Pop stars citing him as an influence. And he's probably even bigger in Africa than Beyonce. People are downplaying the global fame of men on this forum but I get it. Eminem and Justin Bieber aren't exactly the types of guys that you want to root for lol. Edited October 26, 2023 by Storm653 2
chiliam Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 Gaga and Bieber did reach it but in a brief time 2009-2011. Currently Taylor is experiencing this also, not only she smash on the chart, she also make headline for the "ketchup and seemingly ranch" she ate, literally.
Storm653 Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, chiliam said: Gaga and Bieber did reach it but in a brief time 2009-2011. Currently Taylor is experiencing this also, not only she smash on the chart, she also make headline for the "ketchup and seemingly ranch" she ate, literally. Bieber's actual global peak was 2015-2017.
chiliam Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Storm653 said: Bieber's actual global peak was 2015-2017. On the chart, yes. But Bieber Fever is 2009-2010 The fame the OP mention is not chart only but that artist also needs to be a taboid folder and making headlines every days for the most trivial things.
JaXXXon Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 The MAIN problem with Taylor Swift's peak is that she isn't the biggest artist in every part of the world. Michael and Madonna didn't have that problem, they were HUGE everywhere whereas Taylor has her weak markets like France, Italy, most of mainland Europe. Yes, she's big there as well but not Michael or Madonna big. Lady Gaga was equally HUMONGOUS in every market. You couldn't find a single place where she wasn't absolutely dominating. Adele was like that as well. Taylor isn't. Madonna is more in line with their peaks than Michael's though. His was just... no words. 1 1
JaXXXon Posted October 26, 2023 Posted October 26, 2023 3 hours ago, FreeXone said: Gaga did in 2009-2011. I’m not even a Gaga fan but you can’t deny her star power then. Everyone praised her, her music and looks were instantly iconic. Totally brought in the new wave of dance pop that followed. Even rappers like nicki had to follow suit. She had it in a CHOKEHOLD. Her name was iconic. She had the mystique. The outfits. The performances. The music. Her Madonna beef. The music videos. Born this way catapulpting gay rights. ETC ETC She DID THAT Taylor while inescapable has done nothing iconic or revolutionary like Gaga, mj or Madonna did. Outside of massive sales it’s like…stale lol but her celebrity is huge in the states and I suppose overseas Nope. I can tell you I lived through all four peaks (Britney, Gaga, Adele and Taylor) and Taylor is dead last in terms of overseas except for Anglosphere, China and the Philippines. 2
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