CorbynBlessing Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 No. Britney's level of fame was just crazy and right with MJ. Taylor is a huge star but it's just different. It's not the same as Britney/MJ level. 1 1 1 1
CorbynBlessing Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, P!NK2LOVE said: Is this thread just a jab at Taylor? she’s up there with them. Yawn. Taylor is a huge star, no one can deny that but she's not on the same level as Britney/MJ fame wise. It's very hard to explain and you had to be there. I love Taylor so no shade because like I said she is massive. It may have to do with social media, etc. because things are so different now but Britney/MJ couldn't go anywhere half the time because it was so bad every minute. Edited October 28, 2023 by CorbynBlessing 1 3
adylovestaylorandjb Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, JaXXXon said: My point is that looking at official certifications outside of the US, and not just some fan-made and fan-counted numbers, Gaga's 9 albums (six studio albums, soundtrack album and her two jazz efforts) have reached 13.6 million certified units sold, while Taylor's 13 albums (10 studio albums and three re-releases) are currently at 13.2 million in official certifications outside of the US. You can do the math yourself or ask ChatGPT about adding all her certifications up to a total. And those are just album certifications. Gaga has the most DIAMOND certified singles in music history according to the Guinness World Records, so her total outside of America will be even greater. Whether you like it or not, the official **certified** units are on Gaga's side and that's with less releases. You tried though, so here's your medal which also perfectly aligns with Taylor's spot: Drake will have more certified units than beatles. That doesn't mean he outsold them Fact is Taylor by 2025 would've moved over 100 million album units outside usa. More than whole gaga's career. Taylor is massive in Asia where there r less certification process too. You can talk about certifications but Taylor will have actual album units. Even without America, she outsold gaga's career in album units. Cope and seethe It is not fan fiction number. Last year ifpi reported she sold 23 million albums and only eight million were from usa. Go and ask ifpi maybe? This year she is selling over 40 million albums and when ifpi confirms, what will be your excuses? 15 million outside usa last year. So you see certifications means nothing in absolute terms. This year she will see at least 25 million outside usa. That makes 40 million album units outside America in last two years. https://www.universalmusic.com/taylor-swift-makes-global-music-history-once-again-in-2022/ Edited October 28, 2023 by adylovestaylorandjb 1 2
Bosque Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 55 minutes ago, CorbynBlessing said: Taylor is a huge star, no one can deny that but she's not on the same level as Britney/MJ fame wise. It's very hard to explain and you had to be there. I love Taylor so no shade because like I said she is massive. It may have to do with social media, etc. because things are so different now but Britney/MJ couldn't go anywhere half the time because it was so bad every minute. 1
alexjealexje Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 uhhhhh girl what you on about ? Beyonce and Drake are that right now?? and have been for ages???
Blackout2006 Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) Only Gaga and Taylor have seriously come close to that level. However, Britney will always enjoy the edge and no it is not exactly because of monoculture. People here overestimate the impact of monoculture when on a global scale, it was not as strong as people like to assume it was. On a nationwide aspect? Yes, monoculture was strong but as soon as you reduce the scope to a macro scale of the world? There wasn't any singular monoculture that exactly connected the entire world. No, an Indian teenager in the early 00s wouldn't have been watching what a Turkish adult or American preteen was watching at the same time. Britney Spears was a global household name, and there are countless anecdotes of fans and even non-fans who'd affirm that statement. Even if monoculture was beneficial to the proliferation of her name globally, most of her peers should've had the same level of international attention Britney attracted and yet, they benefitted from monoculturalist attitudes as much. Her debut sold over 20 million global copies in one year and six months, and she already sold 40 million records before she was 20. When did any of her peers (except the boybands I think) shift such insane figures? She still has the best-selling teenage debut record of all time Before OIDIA, the highest first-week sales for a female artist was around 540,000 copies. Britney sold near to that much in a day, performed more than double that figure in a week, and her album was already above 3 million sales in its first two weeks Those are not figures to dismiss to satisfy your fan fantasies and she was selling above the bar, competing with her male counterparts. She singlehandedly changed the model of a pop star in the late 90s and shifted it from the Madonna/Cyndi Lauper prototype which ushered in the rise of multiple successful female pop artists in that era. Again, feats that you cannot ignore. "Britney will always be the bigger star. It's just biology". Coming to MJ and Madonna, nobody will ever replace the fame they enjoyed in the 1980s and early 1990s. They managed to be the biggest celebrities in the world, under so many circumstances that came with being a pop star at that time. Even if they travelled to remote countries, they would still attract a huge crowd of fans and paparazzi. There is no debate to be had about that. Edited October 28, 2023 by Blackout2006 3 1
Blackout2006 Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/25/2023 at 8:21 PM, Artistofthedecade said: If ATRL user AxelFox says so... Off-topic but wow Billie Eilish, the QUEEN that you are
Blackout2006 Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/25/2023 at 9:48 PM, Rev8 said: ATRLers dismissing Britney's level of Fame now? Not surprised honestly Like always If it helps them sleep at night though 2
Tylerbv Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 No one will ever touch the levels of fame MJ had.
Mystic Boy Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 6 hours ago, CorbynBlessing said: No. Britney's level of fame was just crazy and right with MJ. Taylor is a huge star but it's just different. It's not the same as Britney/MJ level. 6 hours ago, CorbynBlessing said: Taylor is a huge star, no one can deny that but she's not on the same level as Britney/MJ fame wise. It's very hard to explain and you had to be there. I love Taylor so no shade because like I said she is massive. It may have to do with social media, etc. because things are so different now but Britney/MJ couldn't go anywhere half the time because it was so bad every minute. Oh my
WEEKND Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 Based on what's currently happening it seems that Taylor is bigger than Britney so I don't understand why the latter is included but not the former...?
Enrique523 Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 Taylor Swift is doing it this year alone and everyone knows it
Enrique523 Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 On 10/25/2023 at 6:23 PM, Shinning said: The way Britney stans are STILL putting her on the same level as MJ and Madonna in 2023 They're getting cocky because of the book
Polgg48 Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 very much gaga and that's it. ot: in case of taylor, she is prime katy perry level if katy were consistent hitmakers and brand herself in competitive successful business career. i dont seem to see them as cultural impact beside daily forgettable gossip as those names in title.
Enrique523 Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 On 10/27/2023 at 2:11 AM, JaXXXon said: Oh honey. You're giving me the stats of current Spotify charts when this is about overall achievements in those countries. Taylor has sold less units in those European territories than Gaga. This is Swift's European peak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnights#Certifications_and_sales This is the beginning of Gaga's downfall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_This_Way_(album)#Certifications_and_sales That's when people were saying Gaga was underperforming yet she was still certified twice as much as Taylor's Midnights in Europe. Should I post iTunes Charts from 2011 and compare them to Taylor or??? I don't know what you're implying. Taylor is currently the biggest female around but in total consumption in units and single charts she's behind Gaga outside of America. Serious question: do you EVER post anything on this forum outside of hating/discrediting Taylor? That's literally all you do
Enrique523 Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 10:15 AM, CorbynBlessing said: Taylor is a huge star, no one can deny that but she's not on the same level as Britney/MJ fame wise. It's very hard to explain and you had to be there. I love Taylor so no shade because like I said she is massive. It may have to do with social media, etc. because things are so different now but Britney/MJ couldn't go anywhere half the time because it was so bad every minute. So it's exactly the same as everything with OTHs: feels and vibes. Thanks for confirming it.
discotraxxx Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 i think the idea of stardom nowadays its not about what you`ve been accomplishing anymore. its about the impact at certain period of time - and the artist kinda have to live up to their glory days. at the same time the internet killed the idea of a global superstar within the ending of mtv. today, there are many popstars for any taste and many to pack arenas with similar sound and type of fandoms. wich is not a bad thing bring a jumbotrom at a stadium in some country doesnt mean you've reached all the demographics knowing your name with posters around the city we cant say the same decades ago. if tina turner, rolling stones, MJ, madonna... ppl maybe not like it, but they knew who they were
Alexz Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 Aren't "units" composed of 99 cents single + streams? Obviously they don't hold the same value than buying a full album. 1 1
ForgottenSoul Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/25/2023 at 2:30 PM, JennyWayne said: Britney never reached Madonna/MJ level of fame. Peak Gaga, peak Taylor and peak Britney are at roughly the same level of fame Peak Gaga, peak Taylor and peak Britney are at roughly the same level of fame Maybe Taylor and Britney but not gaga what
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