discussion Is It Immoral To Buy Sex?

[SLAG]

2 minutes ago, CokeDestroyer said:

I keep having these dreams about starting an OF but its just pics of JUST my toes. Not the whole foot, JUST the toes

 

Idk what that says about me subconsciously tbh

It means that you’re viewing your feet as just a commodity and soon there will be discourse about it on ATRL.

Edited October 10, 2023 by SLAG

[Devin]

7 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

It’s so sad to me that we are at this point. But people will twist my words and act like I’m a sexual Puritan because I am against the commodification of every aspect of human life. 

Idk if this would help but maybe if ur OP differentiate the types of sex work u were referring to. 
 

Theres creating an OF vs prostitution vs gold digging vs sex slave/trafficking (which is main type i think ur discussing here) and etc.

[Redstreak]

4 minutes ago, jediah556 said:

so is it late-stage capitalism to sell joy by creating theatre and art? is it late-stage capitalism to sell emotions in music and film? is it late-stage capitalism to sell services as a photographer for a wedding? is that not commodifying the human experience?

Actually to some degree yes on all of these 

[jediah556]

1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said:

No, commodification of art is wrong, and we should move beyond it and end class society. You don’t understand why arguments whatsoever. 

so selling their own art is wrong? babes we're on a music and entertainment forum. do you expect them to do that for free? 

[CokeDestroyer]

YESSS SLAYYY BBY G U A REAL ONE PWR 2 U 4EVAH 

1 minute ago, SLAG said:

It means that you’re viewing your feet as just a commodity and soon there will be discourse about it on ATRL.

 

[Redstreak]

3 minutes ago, jediah556 said:

so, that commodification is acceptable, then? but commodifying sex isn't because...sometimes it's exploitative? I'm not really following your viewpoint on this. maybe because of the logical inconsistencies in whatever argument you think you're making 

Also let’s not pretend any of those have the same level of financial exploitation as sex work does

[jediah556]

Just now, Redstreak said:

Actually to some degree yes on all of these 

exactly! so why pick on sex work and the sex industry and single that one out. 

I'll tell you why - because people love to look down on human sexuality. specifically when it comes to selling it, which is mostly done by women! god forbid a woman has a business 

[Kummercell]

On most cases, yes.

Commodification of humanity aside, hiring prostitutes as a gay man is just kinda weird and pathetic, but straight men who do it should definitely be arrested.

 

[jediah556]

Just now, Redstreak said:

Also let’s not pretend any of those have the same level of financial exploitation as sex work does

no shade but you're a furry - do you know how much money goes into furry drawing and costume creation? how much of that is done overseas by underpaid artists or underpaid costumers? 

[bad guy]

I mean it really depends. For a lot of prostitutes the money they make just goes directly to their pimp who controls every aspect of their lives, so in many ways using their service puts money in the hands of abusers. Other times they are underage as well which would be statutory rape. And then other times there are sex trafficking victims. So men who seek out “street” type prostitution services definitely have questionable ethics IMO. It’s just too much of a risk.

 

But then there are some that have more autonomy (that usually comes with having money in the first place) like escorts where the usage of their services has less of a chance of there being any middle-man exploiting them. In that case I don’t see it as an issue, even though I’d personally never spend my money for that 

[Sheep]

Off topic but the sheer number of GGD rejects in this thread rn is hurting my brain 

[harwee]

3 minutes ago, CokeDestroyer said:

I keep having these dreams about starting an OF but its just pics of JUST my toes. Not the whole foot, JUST the toes

 

Idk what that says about me subconsciously tbh

 

 

 

 

 

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, jediah556 said:

exactly! so why pick on sex work and the sex industry and single that one out. 

I'll tell you why - because people love to look down on human sexuality. specifically when it comes to selling it, which is mostly done by women! god forbid a woman has a business 

I critique the animal agriculture industry 17291919 times more. You’re just projecting views onto me and putting words into my mouth because critique of sex buying offended you. 

[CokeDestroyer]

This 45 y.o. guy used to send me 50 USD to my paypal just so i would send him a police emoji and a voice memo saying no so idk how i feel about this

2 minutes ago, Kummercell said:

On most cases, yes.

Commodification of humanity aside, hiring prostitutes as a gay man is just kinda weird and pathetic, but straight men who do it should definitely be arrested.

 

 

[Redstreak]

1 minute ago, jediah556 said:

exactly! so why pick on sex work and the sex industry and single that one out. 

I'll tell you why - because people love to look down on human sexuality. specifically when it comes to selling it, which is mostly done by women! god forbid a woman has a business 

Because we do talk about financial exploitation in those sectors. We’re literally having labor strikes in the US for the past several months, but no of those get the kind of virtue signaling encouragement that sex work seems to get nowadays as if it’s all fast and easy money with no setbacks

[CokeDestroyer]

Love and light to u icon 🥺💕💗✨️🎉🎊

1 minute ago, harwee said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Redstreak]

3 minutes ago, jediah556 said:

no shade but you're a furry - do you know how much money goes into furry drawing and costume creation? how much of that is done overseas by underpaid artists or underpaid costumers? 

Please point me to the multinational fur suit factory conglomerate lol

Edited October 11, 2023 by Redstreak

[jediah556]

2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

I critique the animal agriculture industry 17291919 times more. You’re just projecting views onto me and putting words into my mouth because critique of sex buying offended you. 

girl you're the one putting words into my mouth - you said that I said sex was a necessity, asked about poor people's needs, said that it's akin to rich people being entitled to other's bodies...need I say more? 

 

get a job and stop being a prude

[Frappucino]

May the power of Christ compel some of you in this thread...

[jediah556]

2 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Because we do talk about financial exploitation in those sectors. We’re literally having labor strikes in the US for the past several months, but no of those get the kind of virtue signaling encouragement that sex work seems to get nowadays as if it’s all fast and easy money with no setbacks

what are you even talking about, sex work gets NO virtue signaling and this entire thread is proof of that ijbol 

[jediah556]

6 minutes ago, Century said:

Off topic but the sheer number of GGD rejects in this thread rn is hurting my brain 

[Breathe On Moi]

23 minutes ago, jediah556 said:

the statement of "how it's possible to reach that point" is so dramatic. it's not a point that someone reaches, it's just a mentality that some people have and some people don't? I've never placed sex as some high-importance concept that needed to be protected and revered. sex is something that humans do, we're animals, and my interpersonal relationships have very different experiences with sex than a casual sex situation. it's entirely contextual and situational 

 

20 minutes ago, The Man Who said:

It’s not really sad, for some people sex is just sex and it doesn’t have to lead to a deeper connection. Not everybody views sex as this big connecting of souls. It’s basically the same as people who have one night stands. It was just about the sex.

 

My friend who used to do escorting actually enjoyed his job and enjoyed being intimate with somebody but he just didn’t want to be in a relationship. I don’t think he ever set out to be an escort, it was just an opportunity that came along, so he tried it out and liked it.
 

He was earning a lot more money than he did in his normal 9-5 and doing less hours whilst being paid to go on dates and holidays. Not all of his clients wanted sex, some of them just liked his company, but because he was a pretty horny guy, he didn’t mind the ones that did want sex. 

I really have no rebuttals to your statements, you’ve made your points really. It’s definitely a personal thing to regard sex as something incredibly intimate as I do, and expecting others to see it as such as well is selfish and judgie on my part. You can only really worry about your own self and your own body in this world and people need to do just that, period. 

[Cain]

I fully agree on your sentiment of not wanting to have sex with someone who otherwise would not touch you

 

I feel the same about people trying to ‘trick’ people into having sex with them when alcohol is involved or pushing them etc

 

Idk if it’s immoral though when involving another consenting adult

[jediah556]

1 minute ago, Breathe On Moi said:

 

I really have no rebuttals to your statements, you’ve made your points really. It’s definitely a personal thing to regard sex as something incredibly intimate as I do, and expecting others to see it as such as well is selfish and judgie on my part. You can only really worry about your own self and your own body in this world and people need to do just that, period. 

in my opinion life is short and we're all put on this earth to have fun and feel good, no matter how we want as long as it's not hurting anyone else, and for some people sex is a part of that fun while others keep it private with a special connection. I like both!

[Gaia]

I don’t think it’s immoral but it’s not respectable.