discussion Is Animal Abuse Apology An Issue On ATRL?

[GraceRandolph]

Lately threads about animal abuse seem to garner more criticism than other issues like sexism and racism. Veganism is frequently mocked and animal abuse apologists and animal exploitation absolutists run rampant. How can we get animal abuse apologists off the street and internet?

[magazine]

No. But the weird anti-pitbull threads are 

[Uncatena]

care to point to it? haven't seen anything of the sort.

[GraceRandolph]

2 minutes ago, ChapelHooker said:

care to point to it? haven't seen anything of the sort.

 

[Raver]

There needs to be an animal section on ATRL 

[Sheep]

The same people screeching about animal rights are the same people screeching that human fetuses have none. As long as there's discord about the "crime" in question, society should err on the side of not interfering as to not infringe on the culture/lifestyle of affected people.

 

2 of the 3 animals in the thread you linked are already dead and the 3rd doesn't feel pain. Instead of demonizing regular(for their cultures) people we should focus on factory farm reform for actually intelligent and living creatures. There are issues everybody could get behind if they were educated, this isn't one of them.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Century

[Devin]

Similar to American culture, people care more about guns & the safety of animals vs racism, sexism, homophobia, and other oppressions. 

[Johnny Jacobs]

1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said:

 

Ew wtf 

 

That's horrible! It happens all over.

 

My boyfriend took me to a fancy michelin restaurant in london and they cooked the lobster alive in boiling water! I immediately left. 

 

Some places/countries have horrible treatment to that kind of stuff

No mercy. 

 

Im no vegan but i think there's a less cruel way to do that

[illia]

First world problems

[The Man Who]

4 minutes ago, Raver said:

There needs to be an animal section on ATRL 

I thought we already had a Kesha base? 

[GraceRandolph]

3 minutes ago, Century said:

The same people screeching about animal rights are the same people screeching that human fetuses have none. As long as there's discord about the "crime" in question, society should err on the side of not interfering as to not infringe on the culture/lifestyle of affected people.

 

2 of the 3 animals in the thread you linked are already dead and the 3rd doesn't feel pain. Instead of demonizing regular(for their cultures) people we should focus on factory farm reform for actually intelligent and living creatures. There are issues everybody could get behind if they were educated, this isn't one of them.

 

2 minutes ago, Devin said:

Similar to American culture, people care more about guns & the safety of animals vs racism, sexism, homophobia, and other oppressions. 

Why are you guys deflecting to other topics instead of facing the issue head on?

[GraceRandolph]

Just now, Flomik said:

First world problems

Factory farming is creating more issues than just “FiRsT wOrLd PrObLeMs” 

[Sheep]

3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

 

Why are you guys deflecting to other topics instead of facing the issue head on?

I wasn't deflecting, I was pointing towards a particular kind of hypocrisy in the logic of bleeding heart animal rights activists.

 

I wouldn't personally eat a dead frog that was just skittering across my table but that's very normal in plenty of cultures all around the world and I don't see it as abuse.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Century

[Sheep]

2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Factory farming is creating more issues than just “FiRsT wOrLd PrObLeMs” 

Now you're the one "deflecting" the issue you just accused me of deflecting to. Completely lacking self awareness.

[GraceRandolph]

Just now, Century said:

Now you're the one "deflecting" the issue you just accused me of deflecting to. Completely lacking self awareness.

The issue is animal abuse and it’s impact on us all. 

[Devin]

3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Why are you guys deflecting to other topics instead of facing the issue head on?

?

 

I was highlighting in the US, safety of animals (i.e. animal abuse) is taken more seriously than other forms of oppression. 

[lacy]

The majority of people are desensitized to the animal abuse in our everyday lives, it's only when threads like the one earlier emerge people start to care.

 

But sadly that care tends to slip away very fast when they realize it requires change.

 

Instead they'd rather tell themselves whatever upset them is "worse" than what they do everyday, and therefor they are morally justified for continuing to contribute to animal abuse.

 

Cognitive dissonance I fear.

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, Century said:

The same people screeching about animal rights are the same people screeching that human fetuses have none. 

So you agree then that anyone who is anti-abortion but isn't a vegan IS INDEED a hypocrite? 

[GraceRandolph]

Just now, Devin said:

?

 

I was highlighting in the US, safety of animals (i.e. animal abuse) is taken more seriously than other forms of oppression. 

It’s really not though.  
 

The biggest drivers of environmental racism is the lagoons of **** created by meat eaters favorite tasty dead animals and the constant **** that comes out of their asses. 

[lacy]

2 minutes ago, Century said:

I wouldn't personally eat a dead frog that was just skittering across my table but that's very normal in plenty of cultures all around the world and I don't see it as abuse.

normal ≠ moral i fear

[Sheep]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

So you agree then that anyone who is anti-abortion but isn't a vegan IS INDEED a hypocrite? 

What I was saying is that the puritanical absolutists when it comes to animal rights are experiencing serious cognitive biases because I've never met a single one that wasn't also pro-choice. 

 

Anti-abortion people are hypocrites for a laundry list of issues and eating meat isn't one of them. Neither abortion or eating meat are murder imo.

[Axolotl]

I don't get veganism at all. The amount of animals and ecosystems destroyed and displaced by farming is also an issue. Are we all supposed to eat air now?

[ugo]

10 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Factory farming is creating more issues than just “FiRsT wOrLd PrObLeMs” 

isn't the problem more industrialisation ? I mean fruits, veggies and grains farming is as bad for the planet.  Sustainable farming for animals and crops is better.

Edited September 3, 2023 by ugo

[Sheep]

5 minutes ago, lacy said:

normal ≠ moral i fear

I don't see an omnivorous animal eating meat as immoral. There is immorality when it comes to overconsumption and its implication both for factory farm animals and the environment but the act of eating a frog isn't abuse or murder. It's just eating.

 

Again 2 of the 3 animals in that thread were already dead, frog included.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Century

[lacy]

1 minute ago, Axolotl said:

I don't get veganism at all. The amount of animals and ecosystems destroyed and displaced by farming is also an issue. Are we all supposed to eat air now?

I fear we'd need much less farmland if we weren't growing so much to feed to livestock because we didn't need livestock because we weren't eating animals