base talk Where's the dislike for Taylor swift coming from?

[Carla Rosón]

her fans

[Folklore89sm]

Because she is currently the biggest artist on the planet. Before her, there was biggest/best artist and biggest/best female artist. She’s both. Boys/immature men can’t stand her because of this.

[Khal]

At least when the Hive (who stan an artist that excels in every area) is coming for Swift, I understand where they're coming from, Bey is simply unmatched.

 

However, this Rihanna v Swift talent mid-off in the last few pages is kinda funny. Not haha funny though, but like two drunk, sad midgets fighting.

 

OT: Every fanbase has their moment of success driven obnoxiousness, it's the Swifties turn.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Khal

[WitnessOblivia]

I think most people dislike her fans, not Taylor.

I love Taylor (I basically stan her), but I can't stand a large portion of the fanbase.

Edited September 1, 2023 by WitnessOblivia

[Dekkan]

I simply dislike her music, and that's fair. Hate-spewing days on ATRL are behind me, I'm too chill, too old and most importantly too busy with my career to invest myself in such BS. She's achieved amazing success, good for her.

[Hurem]

I don’t think it’s hating to point out that it’s weird to see mediocrity be so successful. I absolutely understand her songs having millions of streams cause she makes good music (not MIDnights), but her tour smashing so hard doesn’t make sense to me because she’s neither a good performer nor a charismatic one.

[alfonso12]

5 hours ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

When y’all let go of the idea that artists need to be perfect deities y’all will be a lot happier. Ain’t nothing wrong with corny. In fact it’s the least offensive thing the girl could possibly be. She’s not a brat, a diva, a b*tch, a racist, a transphobe, a pdf file, an abuser, etc.

 

Y’all dislike her because… she doesn’t have natural rhythm when it comes to dancing? Because she’s a cheesy cat lady who likes to bake and come off as relatable? Sounds miserable af but to each their own 

No one is saying they have to be deities but there's of artists that are neither corny nor a racist, a transphobe, etc.   I can't like her cause songs like Shake it off, ME!, Karma and WANEGBT are basically kidz bops. It. has nothing to do with her dancing or whatever you are saying, just that it's corny music that I could never get into.

[GraceRandolph]

11 minutes ago, Hurem said:

I don’t think it’s hating to point out that it’s weird to see mediocrity be so successful. I absolutely understand her songs having millions of streams cause she makes good music (not MIDnights), but her tour smashing so hard doesn’t make sense to me because she’s neither a good performer nor a charismatic one.

Honestly, I’ve never seen a fanbase so insistent on everyone liking their fave. I never expected everyone to like Gaga or Cupcakke, but Swifties act like the right people like Taylor and those who don’t are somehow defective. 

[bad guy]

I think people just don’t understand why she of all people is so huge. How someone so simple like her is challenging the records of Whitney Houston, The Beatles, Michael Jackson, etc. This is of course due to streaming over-inflating success but regardless it’s just baffling. She’s an okay singer, who is okay at guitar, and writes very simple catchy melodies. Her songs are not experimental, intricately produced, nor very nuanced. It’s just…simple. This is all fine but the level of success for such simpleness is where confusion comes in. To top it off, publications giving her praise for such simple music and hyping it up like she’s creating something truly remarkable for no particular reason other than to avoid fan backlash, is also off-putting. All this constant hype and treating her like she’s something she’s not, turns me off to listening to her personally but I’m not really needed as she has 100M other people that will listen to her. Her success up to 1989 makes sense to me. This new wave after something as mediocre as Midnights does not. 

 

As a person, she seems shifty and manipulative but that’s how you succeed in business (and yes she is a business and markets her life as such). So I can’t fault her for that. That said I can easily separate art from artists. But her art apart from a few projects are not enough to justify this explosion 

[Namie-Knowles]

Not the stans in the thread proving the point help. Self fulfilling prophecy. 

[GraceRandolph]

8 hours ago, dussel_06 said:

Most of them have either low IQs (which is scientifically proven) or are pseudo-intellectuals.

They think that only vocals matter and Taylor does not deserve the success because she's not a vocalist.

So anyone who doesn’t like Taylor is low IQ now? What does it matter if someone has low IQ anyway? Sounds ableist af. 

[Anvarie]

44 minutes ago, bad guy said:

I think people just don’t understand why she of all people is so huge. How someone so simple like her is challenging the records of Whitney Houston, The Beatles, Michael Jackson, etc. This is of course due to streaming over-inflating success but regardless it’s just baffling. She’s an okay singer, who is okay at guitar, and writes very simple catchy melodies. Her songs are not experimental, intricately produced, nor very nuanced. It’s just…simple. This is all fine but the level of success for such simpleness is where confusion comes in. To top it off, publications giving her praise for such simple music and hyping it up like she’s creating something truly remarkable for no particular reason other than to avoid fan backlash, is also off-putting. All this constant hype and treating her like she’s something she’s not, turns me off to listening to her personally but I’m not really needed as she has 100M other people that will listen to her. Her success up to 1989 makes sense to me. This new wave after something as mediocre as Midnights does not. 

 

As a person, she seems shifty and manipulative but that’s how you succeed in business (and yes she is a business and markets her life as such). So I can’t fault her for that. That said I can easily separate art from artists. But her art apart from a few projects are not enough to justify this explosion 

I agree with those of this and/or understand most of these sentiments. I like Red and the singles from 1989 and Rep. I haven’t heard any exciting music since then and yet she’s gotten bigger which is really perplexing. 

[LOTF]

1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said:

So anyone who doesn’t like Taylor is low IQ now? What does it matter if someone has low IQ anyway? Sounds ableist af. 

If it wasn't a swiftie making that statement, I'd take them for a troll but really swifties have proven themselves to be quite simple and everything is at face value with them so I think they actually believe it 💀

[PoisonedIvy]

2 hours ago, alfonso12 said:

No one is saying they have to be deities but there's of artists that are neither corny nor a racist, a transphobe, etc.   I can't like her cause songs like Shake it off, ME!, Karma and WANEGBT are basically kidz bops. It. has nothing to do with her dancing or whatever you are saying, just that it's corny music that I could never get into.

I can’t speak for everyone but I can assure you Taylor doesn’t have a fanbase because of the ME!s and the Shake It Off’s in her discography. We all agree those are corny, mid pop songs. Even among the fanbase. The gems have always been her album tracks, since Day 1 that’s what always set her apart. There was so much more substance beneath the surface. If her radio singles turn you off that’s fair, but they turn most of us off too. 

[EmailMySwift]

1 hour ago, Namie-Knowles said:

Not the stans in the thread proving the point help. Self fulfilling prophecy. 

That's not what self fulfilling prophecy means. 

[ImsoLOUD]

6 hours ago, Smarticle said:

from your multiple responses in this thread, yes it is

 

 

6 hours ago, lonnie said:

I'm mostly bored. And can't kick the habit of replying to ridiculous statements (like yours here) that swifties make

 

Smarticle always there to rush in for the Swifties like their pet  

 

OT: With the multiple examples of provocation by Swifties in this thread alone, I think this question can be put to rest. 

Edited September 2, 2023 by ImsoLOUD

[Smarticle]

13 minutes ago, ImsoLOUD said:

 

Smarticle always there to rush in for the Swifties like their pet  

 

OT: With the multiple examples of provocation by Swifties in this thread alone, I think this question can be put to rest. 

 not u following my post history like that, its giving obsessed

 

I don't even defend swifties like that

[Namie-Knowles]

45 minutes ago, EmailMySwift said:

That's not what self fulfilling prophecy means. 

Yes it is. Thanks. 

[alfonso12]

1 hour ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

I can’t speak for everyone but I can assure you Taylor doesn’t have a fanbase because of the ME!s and the Shake It Off’s in her discography. We all agree those are corny, mid pop songs. Even among the fanbase. The gems have always been her album tracks, since Day 1 that’s what always set her apart. There was so much more substance beneath the surface. If her radio singles turn you off that’s fair, but they turn most of us off too. 

I know, and I actually like some of her ballads, but the OP is asking why some people dislike her and I said that's why I dislike her, cause I can't enjoy it as a whole artist because of those kind of songs. 

[hawx23]

I love a lot of her songs to pieces but a lot of her fans seem to never have heard of Joan Baez or Joni Mitchell or Tracy Chapman.

 

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Edited September 2, 2023 by hawx23

[WildHeart]

10 hours ago, Miley Cyrus said:

Omg the songwriting narrative surrounding her is extremely forced and exaggerated.

Her fans took that narrative and ran 1 million miles with it lol. Like it’s so exhausting to see.

 

Shake It Off 

Me!

Ready For It

Need to calm down 

 

Like this is y’all’s songwriting fave..?

This is our songwriting fave 

 

When you realize that how dumb it is to judge an artist's songwriting with 4 songs out of +200, you will understand why she gets called one of the best songwriters of our generation by GP, critics and industry altogether 

[Sergi91]

Her fanbase makes her unlikeable. 

[Ryan]

Honestly, who cares? The haters are never going to convince Taylor’s fans and the fans are never going to convince haters otherwise.
 

Taylor is self writing, produced and performs her own instruments. People look at her success and can’t understand why she’s so successful despite not having the talent that their so called favorites have. They don’t look at how Taylor ALWAYS cultivates a relationship with her fans since day one and has never coasted on working for our appreciation and fandom. They don’t understand the connection she has with us or us her. They call her music bland and her voice mediocre, yet are bothered that none of us care about that or the “superiorly” talented people they like who don’t have a tenth of her platform.
 

It boils down to jealousy and wishing her acclaim and success was with others. 
 

“i Can’T TAKe HeR muSIC SeriOUsLy WiTh soNGs lIke WANeGbt aND ME! And karmA!” says the geriatric gay who dances in front of his lube and icy hot covered mirror to “If U Seek Amy” and “California Girls”.

[Vitaly]

Successful and famous people in general tends to be hated, mostly because of jealousy. 

[MissedTheTrain]

I get that she might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's quite telling that some of the people in this thread trying so hard to downplay her talent...are in almost every thread about her.

 

If she's not your thing, cool.  But to deny her talent is ridiculous.