celeb news Music critic: "Taylor massively overhyped. Critics afraid of backlash from Swifities"

[khalyan]

2 minutes ago, byzantium said:

So you agree with me then that this happens with artists with predominantly female fanbases?  Great!

No, I do not agree.

[Wicked]

11 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

Hence why I dont get this sexism argument being thrown around here. Male artists havent been the most acclaimed for years. Why would they be be similarly overhyped if they are not even overly hyped in the first place lmao. 

I agree w/you, the only one has been Kendrick Lamar. Kendrick fans are not as vocal or rabid as other fanbases (even in comparison to Drake fans) so

Edited August 13, 2023 by Wicked

[Solaria]

I do agree to an extent that critics tend to overhype Taylor albums, I don’t think all her rerecordings for example deserve such high scores (especially Fearless and Speak Now, I think Red TV’s score was justified)

 

I also think Midnights’ critical acclaim was not necessary, it’s a fine album but not an 80+ metascore album.

 

Taylor is not overhyped when it comes to her cultural influence because that’s just there and the GP chose her as their favourite artist, there is nothing we can do about that. I sometimes do wonder why Taylor is the one dominating the female part of the music industry and not a more daring, controversial artist but that’s my personal preference.

[Enrique523]

There's one thing OTHs really fail to understand: all this hatred you're spewing against Taylor is only contributing more to her iconic statut than anything else. You think you're "hurting" her by doing this but all you're doing is confirming that she's the biggest star in the world, since you can't stop talking about her no matter what. She's supposedly "boring" and "vanilla" yet you're obsessed by her.

 

When so many people, outside of her fans, are so OBSESSED with her to the point of constantly creating threads like this rejoicing at her being "dragged", and those "dragging" threads become viral, it says a LOT about her cultural statut as a pop star. This is one of the reasons Madonna became the biggest female pop star in the world: her haters were just as rabid and obsessed as her fans were. Has it hurt her? HELL NO. Madonna is a living legend and all the hate she's gotten over the decades haven't changed anything to that.

 

This is the same for Taylor. On top of her success, the more you'll talk about her/hate her, the bigger and more important she'll become. If you really wanted to make her "go away", you would need to start by stopping talking about her 24/7. But of course you can't and that's why she'll remain that b*tch 

[byzantium]

4 minutes ago, khalyan said:

No, I do not agree.

We all know that.  My question was more rhetorical. Sexism of course no longer exists according to a bunch of men on an internet site

 

[Katamari]

She’s kind of right about the fanbase thing but she hit the wrong target let’s just say that 

shows which fanbase truly has ppl running

 

[Vermillion]

27 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

And the albums keep on bombing with critics. And that has happened for ever. Tina Turner has been considered one of the best touring acts and her albums got no hype.

 

There's no correlation

Thank you, there isn't. There's an increasing disconnect between the actual average albums acclaim for these massive male acts and their actual shows. I think mostly because their purposes are entirely different. There's no point in the same critic that trashed their albums for years seeing Coldplay live.

 

The only recently Hot 100 current charting male acts whose recent live act is selling out worldwide and whose studio album output is still getting decent reviews are The Weekend and Harry Styles, that's it. Kendrick Lamar is the one exception to the rule as he's massive on both fronts.

 

Drake's gotten decent live reviews but his recent material's been getting trashed unlike some of his early output.

 

Ed's live tours have been getting some decent reviews but is mostly trashed and critics have always hated his albums.

 

Bruno's stepped out of the limelight but his live act's always been praised and his albums have gotten decent to mediocre reviews.

 

Coldplay started out with albums praised by the UK press and trashed elsewhere (most notoriously by Pitchfork) and now all their albums are uniformly trashed but their massive tours continue to be praised.

 

Travis was getting massive on both fronts but his entire career will now be colored by Astroworld forever so he isn't a worthwhile point for an argument here.

[Katamari]

9 minutes ago, byzantium said:

So you agree with me then that this happens with artists with predominantly female fanbases?  Great!

Aren’t woman the biggest consumers of most music tho. Yeah Ed is super panned tho so you might be right! 
 

 

[Escape]

Let's not pretend this is a Swiftie-only thing.

[CaptainMusic]

She didn’t lie

 

Midnights’ acclaim proved that, it’s basic as hell and non-delusional Swifties know it 

[Devin]

Some of these comments. 

[vale9001]

As if Taylor success depends on critical acclaim and if overhyped it's because of critics 

Edited August 13, 2023 by vale9001

[Marianah Adkins]

12 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

Isn't most female artist acclaimed right now?

 

Saying Taylor is overhyped cause you don't like her is extremely naive

?? I’m not sure what you mean by your first question but if you’re asking/saying that female artists are more acclaimed nowadays then Yes and that is what I’m saying. You cannot use the sexism argument here considering that most male artists are either panned or critically ignored as fodder hence they could never be overhyped. 

 

As for the second one, How is that naive? Everyone has their own subjective tastes. Beyonce is literally called overhyped everyday in this forum along with other female artists so this is not a unique thing to TS. 

And calling someone overhyped doesnt necessarily mean he/she doesnt like an artist. If anything, it is a positive thing because it recognizes the acclaim. What it usually means that he/she may like the work but finds that the praise and acclaim is disproportionate to the perceived quality. Its all there is to it.

Like I said, you’re only proving the TERFs point. She delivered her opinion and y’all are acting like she committed a crime or something 

 

 

[Wicked]

The way y'all are throwing around gender assumptions for the thinnest of arguments is actually borderline offensive  The way y'all talk about women and thinking you're actually making a good point a crazy. 

[New Edition]

It's giving BTS and Army tbh 

[byzantium]

4 minutes ago, Katamari said:

Aren’t woman the biggest consumers of most music tho. Yeah Ed is super panned tho so you might be right! 
 

 

According to this 58% of Spotify users are men.  But that is a little beyond the point anyways.  Even if it was reversed, I don't know how that changes my point. 

https://techreport.com/statistics/spotify/

 

 

[perfect blue]

Much of Taylor's appeal is that she is awkward and mediocre. The media spent years worshiping and promoting the incredibly talented, untouchable and unrelatable goddess Beyonce until everyone became collectively fatigued.

 

Taylor Swift with her stiff dancing, shrill vocals, and cheugy lyrics offers a comforting alternative to your typical frumpy millennial white woman with tons of expendable cash, who can relate to and identify with Swift's mediocrity. "If someone as dull and basic as Taylor Swift can make it, maybe I can too."

[Vermillion]

5 minutes ago, ptolemaea said:

Much of Taylor's appeal is that she is awkward and mediocre. The media spent years worshiping and promoting the incredibly talented, untouchable and unrelatable goddess Beyonce until everyone collectively became fatigued.

 

Taylor Swift with her stiff dancing, shrill vocals, and cheugy lyrics offers a comforting alternative for your typical frumpy millennial white woman with tons of expendable cash, who can relate to and identify with Swift's mediocrity. "If someone as dull and basic as Taylor Swift can make it, maybe I can too."

Talent's subjective.

 

Taylor only ever wanted to be praised for her songwriting and nothing else.

 

Beyonce's trashed on this forum constantly for songwriting/ghostwriting scandals and getting unwarranted production credit.

[Maroonx]

8 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said:

She didn’t lie

 

Midnights’ acclaim proved that, it’s basic as hell and non-delusional Swifties know it 

I think an album's acclaim depends on its audience. We can look at Nirvana's  'Nevermind' album which was critically acclaimed, but if you ask someone who is a hardcore pop fan, they will disagree. Then you show '1989' to some hard rock fan, and they will call it garbage.

 

It's really hard to find a common ground on everyone agreeing what is a critically acclaimed album... Then again, this is just me.

[CaptainMusic]

34 minutes ago, Bonicap said:

And Coldplay's last tour is receiving widespread acclaim, as they deserve looking at what they are achieving. No one is complaining about Chris Martin's dance moves and saying that they are being overhyped. Media is talking about their legendary achievements and numbers.

Chris doesn’t and never has attempted actual choreographed routines. His jumping around on stage is not actual dancing and everyone knows it.

 

Taylor’s dance moves are rightfully dragged because she insists on trying (and failing) at choreography, if she just stuck to playing a guitar then no one would be complaining about her dancing skills obviously. 
 

 

[perfect blue]

5 minutes ago, Espresso said:

Talent's subjective.

 

Taylor only ever wanted to be praised for her songwriting and nothing else.

 

Beyonce's trashed on this forum constantly for songwriting/ghostwriting scandals and getting unwarranted production credit.

Further proof that Taylor Swift is Beyonce's foil which is my point. Taylor's massive repeak is a direct consequence of the media's cult-like worship of Beyonce in the 2010s.

[Vermillion]

Just now, CaptainMusic said:

Chris doesn’t and never has attempted actual choreographed routines. His jumping around on stage is not actual dancing and everyone knows it.

 

Taylor’s dance moves are rightfully dragged because she insists on trying (and failing) at choreography, if she just stuck to playing a guitar then no one would be complaining about her dancing skills obviously.

I've always seen her dance moves as play-acting the typical pop star and her fans being in on the joke.

 

She's never claimed to be a Britney or J.Lo. The notion that there's a benchmark requirement for her not to do it at all is absurd.

[CaptainMusic]

4 minutes ago, Maroonx said:

I think an album's acclaim depends on its audience. We can look at Nirvana's  'Nevermind' album which was critically acclaimed, but if you ask someone who is a hardcore pop fan, they will disagree. Then you show '1989' to some hard rock fan, and they will call it garbage.

 

It's really hard to find a common ground on everyone agreeing what is a critically acclaimed album... Then again, this is just me.

Umm nobody with sense is gonna argue against Nevermind’s acclaim, even if it’s not their kind of music. It’s a legendary groundbreaking album. 

 

Midnights was PANNED on ATRL by Pop stans until those reviews and sales came in, and even now it’s still far from acclaimed by the pop audience. 

Edited August 13, 2023 by CaptainMusic

[Enrique523]

2 hours ago, Shelter said:

Not her viciously attacking Taylor and her fans and THEN play the victim on Twitter 

 

[Shelter]

1 minute ago, Enrique523 said:

Not her viciously attacking Taylor and her fans and THEN play the victim on Twitter