lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, Raspberries said: Yes, Taylor sells more in the US? It is her main market and she is arguably the biggest solo act in the history of music here Why are you holding that against her? Again, despite that, Taylor has outsold Rihanna on multiple continents outside the US and the only real difference between them is Europe and we know why None of this changes that Rihanna's sales outside the U.S. >>>> Taylor's sales outside the U.S. Crying about Europe, why don't you tell us why Taylor was able to sell as much as she did in the U.S. especially earlier in her career if y'all really want to go there. Because we all know that the people behind Jason Aldean's and Morgan Wallen's success were the same ones behind Taylor's. Talk about Taylor's FLOP features while you're at it too since you wanted to talk about features so bad 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, lonnie said: None of this changes that Rihanna's sales outside the U.S. >>>> Taylor's sales outside the U.S. Crying about Europe, why don't you tell us why Taylor was able to sell as much as she did in the U.S. especially earlier in her career if y'all really want to go there. Because we all know that the people behind Jason Aldean's and Morgan Wallen's success were the same ones behind Taylor's. Talk about Taylor's FLOP features while you're at it too since you wanted to talk about features so bad Taylor is an anomaly here though. No one was selling as much as she was as consistent as she was Meanwhile tons of dance pop acts were smashing all over Europe - Rihanna included. And they weren't spam releasing yearly albums and 30 singles in 4 years like Rihanna was Taylor does not do massive features. Rihanna ran to Drake, Kanye, Eminem, Coldplay, David Guetta, etc. while Taylor's biggest feature is...Ed Sheeran in 2022 that not even Swifties cared about. They are not the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the Water Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: It is true that even Taylor's re-recordings are performing like Rihanna's brand new albums but don't you think it is a self drag to say it out loud I can't blame them for being confused. Taylor got some old demos, went into the studio to record them and dropped them. That's basically how every Rihanna album ever is made 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Raspberries said: Taylor is an anomaly here though. No one was selling as much as she was as consistent as she was Meanwhile tons of dance pop acts were smashing all over Europe - Rihanna included. And they weren't spam releasing yearly albums and 30 singles in 4 years like Rihanna was Taylor does not do massive features. Rihanna ran to Drake, Kanye, Eminem, Coldplay, David Guetta, etc. while Taylor's biggest feature is...Ed Sheeran in 2022 that not even Swifties cared about. They are not the same Ed Sheeran isn't a massive act now? Is David Guetta a bigger act than him now And at least Rihanna's features were actually successful meanwhile Taylor's feature with Ed Sheeran: Canada (Music Canada)[68] Platinum 80,000‡ United Kingdom (BPI)[69] Gold 400,000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 40 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said: Yeah… David Bowie was #2 on that 2016 IFPI list yet nowhere to be found on the streaming charts that year. Not sure what methodology they use (at least back then) but it clearly wasn’t the most accurate measure of popularity. Are you seriously going to discredit the validity of IFPI, when it's the literal official representation of the global industry, a source so credible that all industry publications and music labels answer to it, just because their official charts don't reflect the subjective reality you have in mind? IFPI made their methodology very clear the moment they introduced this chart 10 years ago: Quote IFPI publish a global recording artists chart to accurately capture the popularity of artists across streaming channels, alongside digital and physical album and singles sales. The first chart was published in January 2014. The independently verified chart includes sales of albums — across digital, CD and vinyl formats; singles, both downloaded and physical; on-demand streams and music videos. It includes all the music of each artist featured, not just one track or album. It uses track and album equivalents to combine measurements of downloads, physical sales and streams. There it is, "equivalent units". IFPI already set the industry standard of measuring artist-based success in equivalent units 10 years ago. It's not a sales chart, it's not a streams chart, it's chart for consumption across all metrics. And the results confirm that David Bowie was indeed the 2nd biggest artist of 2016, a year in which the confirmed their methodology once again: Quote The IFPI Global Recording Artist award and Top 10 chart is the first and only ranking to accurately capture the global sales of artists’ music across streaming channels, as well as sales of digital and physical albums, and digital and physical singles. Do you have a more accurate way of measuring global success than the methodology above, if so then forward it to IFPI and maybe they'll change it. Until then, the official way will be to count all streams, views, downloads and sales, and not just one specific metric. 40 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said: The fact that their albums chart didn’t even include streaming in 2016, was purely based on… shipments, tells me everything I need to know. Their singles chart already included streams too, so what are you trying to say? I'm not talking about IFPI's album chart or singles chart, I'm talking about their artists chart for which they officially stated streams are included, among everything else. 40 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said: Rihanna was the 3rd most streamed artist of 2016 on Spotify (the only woman in the Top 5). She ranked #4 on YouTube and was most likely the top female artist on Apple Music that year (considering she was declared the most streamed ever as of 2018). Good for her. Unfortunately all of that was only enough to make Rihanna the 8th biggest artist of 2016 once other metrics, as well as other streaming services, were also measured in. These are the simple facts as provided by IFPI. You can like them or not, but they are official. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastedpotential Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 It's the way that right now you can take any two of the albums Taylor has released (besides the 3 that have been re-recorded) and combine their daily streams, and they're more popular than Rihanna's entire discography of eight albums and countless stand-alone singles combined Quit trying it girlies, in 2023 there is no question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lonnie said: Ed Sheeran isn't a massive act now? Is David Guetta a bigger act than him now And at least Rihanna's features were actually successful meanwhile Taylor's feature with Ed Sheeran: Canada (Music Canada)[68] Platinum 80,000‡ United Kingdom (BPI)[69] Gold 400,000 The Joker and the Queen bombed and not even Swifties cared about it. Ed is on his way out and you know it. Not to mention it was a 4th (?) single that didn't even get a video Again, they are not comparable to Coldplay, Eminem (multiple times), Drake (multiple times), Kanye, David Guetta (multiple times) etc Edited August 8, 2023 by Raspberries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, Raspberries said: The Joker and the Queen bombed and not even Swifties cared about it. Ed is on his way out and you know it. Not to mention it was a 4th (?) single that didn't even get a video Again, that are not comparable to Coldplay, Eminem (multiple times), Drake (multiple times), Kanye, David Guetta (multiple times) etc Exactly. It's not comparable because those Rihanna features were actually successful whereas Taylor's BOMBED just as almost every feature she's had did And that single sure as hell does have a video: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, lonnie said: Exactly. It's not comparable because those Rihanna features were actually successful whereas Taylor's BOMBED just as almost every feature she's had did And that single sure as hell does have a video: A video that Taylor herself doesn't even appear in nor did she promote it Give it up girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#ADOU Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Anti Hero is a bigger Hot 100 hit than any Rihanna solo song ever "Bigger Hot 100 hit" And Rihanna has several solo hits bigger than Anti-Hero globally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, Raspberries said: A video that Taylor herself doesn't even appear in nor did she promote it Give it up girl So now it's gone from the song didn't have a video to Taylor doesn't appear in the video? Lol. Because a Taylor appearance in the video would have made it any less of a flop than it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Navy went from discrediting Chartmaster to... discrediting IFPI What is next, Bilboard? i wouldn't put it past them to discredit touring numbers from Pollstar at this point if lots of real time empti stadium pictures didn't exist. Scary, scary times 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bethenny Frankel Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Taylor, Bey, Gaga, Adele, Rih Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears01 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, Odeon said: Stupid Love: 3 years old These "album tracks" (two of which entered TTH): 1 year old, with Spotify already 50% bigger in 2022 than it was in 2020 Break My Soul is one of the weakest and shortest running #1 in history, it didn't even reach 20 weeks on Hot 100 despite massive promotion and radio payola. ASIB, Gaga's first movie as a lead actress, had a budget of just $36M against a box office of $436M, was a colossal worldwide success with a smash soundtrack (something none of Gaga's peers have) and earned Gaga a Best Actress nomination, something every pop diva dreams of, no wonder you can't sleep to this day because of it. Heated and Alien Superstar were on TTH? Huh, news to me. Bringing up ASIB that doesn’t change that Beyonces career>>>Gagas. “She had a smash movie sandwiched between multiple underperforming/flop albums!” That doesn’t overcome beyonces 25+ years of succes hun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, #ADOU said: "Bigger Hot 100 hit" And Rihanna has several solo hits bigger than Anti-Hero globally And none had the exceptional longevity of Blank Space which has more global streams (Spotify + Youtube) than any Rihanna single despite not being on Spotify for three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rihannafan Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 25 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: The Eras Tour will outgross Rihanna's touring career x3 3 Taylor eras are bigger than Rihanna's biggest 8 Taylor eras are shaping up to end up bigger than Rihanna's second biggest What exactly is there to argue *Spreads lies* *What is there to argue* When Taylor Swift sells more albums than Rihanna outside the states then we can talk. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odeon Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 9 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said: Gaga’s not the huge touring force her stans make her out to be lol Definitely not big enough to place her above Rihanna or Adele (let alone easily), at least 800M in tour gross from just 5 world tours, her first stadium tour was 100% sold out averaging almost $6M per show, not to mention her hugely successful Vegas residency which has the highest average gross in Vegas history, which grosses over $1.5M per show, arena tour grosses but in a theater with an audience of only 5k. But you're right, Rihanna's the one with demand, we saw that on her last tour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, #ADOU said: "Bigger Hot 100 hit" And Rihanna has several solo hits bigger than Anti-Hero globally It is a bigger Hot 100 hit than any Rihanna song - and will be a bigger streaming hit than any Rihanna song (just like Shake It Off, Blank Space etc. Even Love Story, Style, Wildest Dreams etc could be added to that list soon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnusualBoy Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Taylor Rihanna Bey Adele Gaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, rihannafan said: *Spreads lies* *What is there to argue* When Taylor Swift sells more albums than Rihanna outside the states then we can talk. You lot continually to only brag about Europe They are almost even in South America Taylor curb stomps Rihanna in North America, Asia and Oceania. Rihanna only has a significant lead in Europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Raspberries said: It is a bigger Hot 100 hit than any Rihanna song Swifties actually believing that Anti-Hero is bigger than any Rihanna song and we're not supposed to laugh? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, rihannafan said: *Spreads lies* *What is there to argue* When Taylor Swift sells more albums than Rihanna outside the states then we can talk. We can also talk when Rihanna gets more streams or tour gross than Taylor outside the states 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, lonnie said: Swifties actually believing that Anti-Hero is bigger than any Rihanna song and we're not supposed to laugh? On the Hot 100 it is bigger than any solo Rihanna song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, rihannafan said: *Spreads lies* *What is there to argue* When Taylor Swift sells more albums than Rihanna outside the states then we can talk. Rihanna was spamming albums at the time where pure sales were higher while Taylor was releasing 2 country albums. This comparison is as "unfair" as just loooking at total Spotify streams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalism Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 12 hours ago, TaylorFantasy said: Taylor Adele Rihanna Beyonce Gaga I don't live in the us so it's this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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