news Horrors Exposed: Pigs fed faeces & piglet intestines in cannibalistic slush

[FOCK]

17 minutes ago, 2NE1 said:

You might as well stop eating! You’re deluded if you think eating mercury filled fish or pesticide covered vegetables is somehow superior to eating pork.

Eating fish is just as cruel, they are sentient creatures & suffer horrifically, often gutted alive, crushed to death during fishing, or exasperated to death from an inability to breath. 
 

Cutting the stork of a broccoli is not comparable to slitting the throat of an animal after having endured a lifetime of suffering. 
 

Vegans aren’t dying - they’re outliving meat eaters and with less health complications. 

Imagine having every educational resource at your fingertips and not being able to figure out how to adequately sustain yourself without meat. It’s not even a “sacrifice”, once you’re actually clued into all that goes into meat production, and it’s ramifications on your health, the environment & innocent beings. It’s a simple ethical & moral aligning choice, not a dietary one. 
 

And I rest easy knowing my food doesn’t include traces of anus. 

[Kylizzle]

27 minutes ago, 2NE1 said:

You might as well stop eating! You’re deluded if you think eating mercury filled fish or pesticide covered vegetables is somehow superior to eating pork.

Where's the cruelty involved in eating vegetables 

 

[GraceRandolph]

2 minutes ago, Kylizzle said:

Where's the cruelty involved in eating vegetables 

 

There is worker exploitation involved in every industry, but the meat industry is by far the worst overall.

[Kylizzle]

2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

There is worker exploitation involved in every industry, but the meat industry is by far the worst overall.

We need to return to hunter-gatherer societies but no one's ready for that convo 

[FOCK]

Veganism doesn’t claim to be exploitation and harm free. It is a harm reduction philosophy. The whataboutism as a justification for funding this horror is a tired argument. 

[Proseductice]

I stopped eating meat/pork a while ago. I’m pescatarian, but only because practicing a vegan diet even with supplements couldn’t provide me enough iron and I became anemic. My hair was falling out, and energy was absolutely depleted. 

 

My health drastically increased with adding fish into my diet after a six month break from it, but still refuse to eat meat or pork, which I’ve been away from much longer. 

 

Edit: I also don’t eat anything with  cow milk/cheese/or egg. Only plant based. My fish consumption is usually 2 times a week to maintain healthy iron levels. Going without meat and dairy is easier than you might think for most. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by Proseductice

[Cheers]

Hm I should try going vegetarian. Maybe I’ll challenge myself for a month or two. Oooh maybe until Halloween.

[Mast]

14 minutes ago, FOCK said:

Eating fish is just as cruel, they are sentient creatures & suffer horrifically, often gutted alive, crushed to death during fishing, or exasperated to death from an inability to breath. 
 

Cutting the stork of a broccoli is not comparable to slitting the throat of an animal after having endured a lifetime of suffering. 
 

Vegans aren’t dying - they’re outliving meat eaters and with less health complications. 

Imagine having every educational resource at your fingertips and not being able to figure out how to adequately sustain yourself without meat. It’s not even a “sacrifice”, once you’re actually clued into all that goes into meat production, and it’s ramifications on your health, the environment & innocent beings. It’s a simple ethical & moral aligning choice, not a dietary one. 
 

And I rest easy knowing my food doesn’t include traces of anus. 

Not defending the meat industry at all, but I work in farmworker advocacy and not only are a lot of vegetables 100% contaminated with feces, but mass farming operations also contribute to deforestation, air/water pollution, and ergo habitat destruction that affects the livelihood of native flora and fauna. 

 

Not to mention, major vegetable/fruit producers like Canada and the U.S. also constantly exploit migrant workers and expose them to dangerous conditions, sometimes straight up human trafficking, in order to get veggies and fruits to your table. I spoke to a farmworker earlier today whose skin was quite literally rotting and falling off in chunks because his employer does not follow pesticide/herbicide safety guidelines and there is very little oversight or incentive from the U.S. government to enforce these laws. 

 

The harsh reality is that neither the meat nor the vegetable/fruit farming practices are ethical, and vegans/vegetarians are really kidding themselves when they speak from their high horse about ethics, while turning a blind eye to the horrors of non-meat farming. I mean, the United States uncovered one of the largest human trafficking operations in several vegetable farms this year, with people being threatened at gunpoint to harvest vegetables, living under in prison- like surveillance, forced to live in conditions harmful to their health, being paid slavery wages, etc.

[Rebel Lion]

I'm not vegan but I don't understand why anyone would ever eat an animal that eats feces.

[Mast]

25 minutes ago, Kylizzle said:

Where's the cruelty involved in eating vegetables 

 

Right here:

 

2 minutes ago, Mast said:

Not defending the meat industry at all, but I work in farmworker advocacy and not only are a lot of vegetables 100% contaminated with feces, but mass farming operations also contribute to deforestation, air/water pollution, and ergo habitat destruction that affects the livelihood of native flora and fauna. 

 

Not to mention, major vegetable/fruit producers like Canada and the U.S. also constantly exploit migrant workers and expose them to dangerous conditions, sometimes straight up human trafficking, in order to get veggies and fruits to your table. I spoke to a farmworker earlier today whose skin was quite literally rotting and falling off in chunks because his employer does not follow pesticide/herbicide safety guidelines and there is very little oversight or incentive from the U.S. government to enforce these laws. 

 

The harsh reality is that neither the meat nor the vegetable/fruit farming practices are ethical, and vegans/vegetarians are really kidding themselves when they speak from their high horse about ethics, while turning a blind eye to the horrors of non-meat farming. I mean, the United States uncovered one of the largest human trafficking operations in several vegetable farms this year, with people being threatened at gunpoint to harvest vegetables, living under in prison- like surveillance, forced to live in conditions harmful to their health, being paid slavery wages, etc.

https://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-news/georgia-modern-day-slavery-alleged-traffickers-sued-by-workers/D6JJEDC5RVC67BPJNPYRKLKMXU/#:~:text=That scheme%2C which allegedly netted,dubbed “Operation Blooming Onion.”

 

https://michiganadvance.com/2023/06/19/nearly-broke-me-migrant-workers-accuse-michigan-farm-of-trafficking-forced-labor-in-suit/

 

https://prismreports.org/2023/04/14/h2a-visa-wage-theft-exploitation/

 

Just to show you a few articles published this year of different human trafficking operations in the vegetable/fruit industry. And that's not to mention the general wage theft/abusive working and living conditions that don't necessarily count as trafficking under the law.

[Rebel Lion]

16 minutes ago, Proseductice said:

I stopped eating meat/pork a while ago. I’m pescatarian, but only because practicing a vegan diet even with supplements couldn’t provide me enough iron and I became anemic. My hair was falling out, and energy was absolutely depleted. 

 

My health drastically increased with adding fish into my diet after a six month break from it, but still refuse to eat meat or pork, which I’ve been away from much longer. 

You should consider eating crustaceans and mollusks since they don't have vertebrae meaning they have less nerves. They are also bugs of the sea so it makes you feel less sorry about eating them.

[Mast]

26 minutes ago, FOCK said:

Veganism doesn’t claim to be exploitation and harm free. It is a harm reduction philosophy. The whataboutism as a justification for funding this horror is a tired argument. 

This is still so disingenuous for the reasons I spelled out above. There is no harm reduction in vegetable/fruit farming when the industry literally depends on migrant labor exploitation, modern slavery, and human trafficking to thrive. 

[Proseductice]

3 minutes ago, Rebel Lion said:

You should consider eating crustaceans and mollusks since they don't have vertebrae meaning they have less nerves. They are also bugs of the sea so it makes you feel less sorry about eating them.

Thank you for that. I’m going to look into it. 

[FOCK]

5 minutes ago, Mast said:

Not defending the meat industry at all, but I work in farmworker advocacy and not only are a lot of vegetables 100% contaminated with feces, but mass farming operations also contribute to deforestation, air/water pollution, and ergo habitat destruction that affects the livelihood of native flora and fauna. 

 

What this fails to note is that the MAJORITY of farming land is used to grow crops that are then fed to the billions of farmed animals we sustain, including the majority of soy. It is a misleading talking point. 
 

More land & resources are required to maintain cattle, for what ultimately works out to be less carbs per person, than crops for human consumption. It is not a sustainable industry. 
 

Stats that demonstrate animal fHarmers have “reduced” their land use, also fail to  explain that this is due to practices like farrowing crates, and at the expense of the space an individual animal is allocated. 
 

Even granting your point, the largest contributor to deforestation, remains land that is cleared for cattle. 
 

Respectfully, I don’t wish to get roped into an environmental argument - my focus is animal welfare. The environmental and health benefits of veganism, are just additional net positives.

[Minogue]

People making arguments that the farming industry is somehow just as unethical as the modern day holocaust animals face 

 

vegan for 2 years soon 

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, Mast said:

This is still so disingenuous for the reasons I spelled out above. There is no harm reduction in vegetable/fruit farming when the industry literally depends on migrant labor exploitation, modern slavery, and human trafficking to thrive. 

Sis, this is disingenuous. The harm that is derived from meat eating is inherently different than the harm produced by non-meat farming. To eat meat, the harm  you produce is to kill said animal. That is how  you cultivate its meat for consumption. You cannot reform that process and reduce the harm of it while maintaining the practice. The forms of harm you're describing are not harms inherent to non-meat farming but unethical labor practices that must be separately reformed through legislation. It's a false binary. You can improve labor conditions of farmers. You can''t only half-way kill a cow. 

 

And I say this as someone who is not a vegan but recognize their moral argument.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Communion

[FOCK]

10 minutes ago, Mast said:

This is still so disingenuous for the reasons I spelled out above. There is no harm reduction in vegetable/fruit farming when the industry literally depends on migrant labor exploitation, modern slavery, and human trafficking to thrive. 

Humans still have basic human rights. 
Animals are not afforded the same rights. 
 

The reality is we live in a capitalist society & those are capitalist labor issues.
 

Humans still need to eat. 
 

What we don’t need to eat, is meat. And it is a tangible change, within one’s power, that they can implement today. 
 

It’s that simple. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by FOCK

[Mast]

4 minutes ago, FOCK said:

What this fails to note is that the MAJORITY of farming land is used to grow crops that are then fed to the billions of farmed animals we sustain, including the majority of soy. It is a misleading talking point. 
 

More land & resources are required to maintain cattle, for what ultimately works out to be less carbs per person, than crops for human consumption. It is not a sustainable industry. 
 

Stats that demonstrate animal fHarmers have “reduced” their land use, also fail to  explain that this is due to practices like farrowing crates, and at the expense of the space an individual animal is allocated. 
 

Even granting your point, the largest contributor to deforestation, remains land that is cleared for cattle. 
 

Respectfully, I don’t wish to get roped into an environmental argument - my focus is animal welfare. The environmental and health benefits of veganism, are just additional net positives.

You are talking to somebody who literally researched farming practices and visits farms for the purpose of farmworker advocate for a living. 

 

It is true that the majority of farmland is used for farm feed. However, the vegetable/fruit farms I visit I primarily visit are purely for the purpose of human consumption. They are still terrible for the environment and local habitats. Not sure why this is hard for your to accept. I can tell that your focus is on animal welfare; you didn't even bother to engage on my points regarding the exploitation of marginalized workers. That speaks louder than anything else you have said. 

[FOCK]

Just now, Mast said:

You are talking to somebody who literally researched farming practices and visits farms for the purpose of farmworker advocate for a living. 

 

It is true that the majority of farmland is used for farm feed. However, the vegetable/fruit farms I visit I primarily visit are purely for the purpose of human consumption. They are still terrible for the environment and local habitats. Not sure why this is hard for your to accept. I can tell that your focus is on animal welfare; you didn't even bother to engage on my points regarding the exploitation of marginalized workers. That speaks louder than anything else you have said. 

What is your proposition? That people stop eating plants? 
 

You’re wholly unserious. You work in farming advocacy. So presumably, you’re advocating to help remove exploitative practices. Great job, appreciated. 
 

Equally so, animals deserve to be advocated for. Their exploitation is their literal slaughter. 

[Mast]

3 minutes ago, FOCK said:

Humans still have basic human rights. 
 

You're clearly uneducated on farm labor law. The rights of farmworkers are extremely limited. They cannot organize without threat of retaliation, they are not included in overtime laws (they can be worked 80+ hours a week for the same **** pay), and even when on paper migrant workers may have "rights," employers are aware of the fact that they can exploit migrant farmworkers as much as they want and they will never speak up because the necessity of their immediate concerns (feeding and sustaining their families in their home countries) supercede any abuse they may experience at farms. Getting s worker to speak up about abuse at the work place is nearly impossible and that is by design. Having rights on paper means jackshit when speaking up for yourself leads to you being fired, deported, without means to keep your family fed or housed. Please STFU about topics you are clearly lacking knowledge in, *******.

[FOCK]

3 minutes ago, Mast said:

You're clearly uneducated on farm labor law. The rights of farmworkers are extremely limited. They cannot organize without threat of retaliation, they are not included in overtime laws (they can be worked 80+ hours a week for the same **** pay), and even when on paper migrant workers may have "rights," employers are aware of the fact that they can exploit migrant farmworkers as much as they want and they will never speak up because the necessity of their immediate concerns (feeding and sustaining their families in their home countries) supercede any abuse they may experience at farms. Getting s worker to speak up about abuse at the work place is nearly impossible and that is by design. Having rights on paper means jackshit when speaking up for yourself leads to you being fired, deported, without means to keep your family fed or housed. Please STFU about topics you are clearly lacking knowledge in, *******.

I appreciate you are working to help resolve these systemic abuses. 
 

As am I, hoping to end the systemic abuse of animals.

 

[Mast]

2 minutes ago, FOCK said:

What is your proposition? That people stop eating plants? 
 

You’re wholly unserious. You work in farming advocacy. So presumably, you’re advocating to help remove exploitative practices. Great job, appreciated. 
 

Equally so, animals deserve to be advocated for. Their exploitation is their literal slaughter. 

Damn it's almost like one can advocate for meat production practices that are sanitary and holistic while also recognizing that the vegetable/fruit farming industry is dependent on slave labor and human trafficking and deserves ACTUAL rights for farm laborers that are enforced. I am vegan myself; but I don't go around calling my diet harm reduction because I know it is not and I see it with my own eyes every day. I encourage you to read all the articles I have posted in this thread.

[FOCK]

3 minutes ago, Mast said:

Damn it's almost like one can advocate for meat production practices that are sanitary and holistic while also recognizing that the vegetable/fruit farming industry is dependent on slave labor and human trafficking and deserves ACTUAL rights for farm laborers that are enforced. I am vegan myself; but I don't go around calling my diet harm reduction because I know it is not and I see it with my own eyes every day. I encourage you to read all the articles I have posted in this thread.

Veganism isn’t a diet, it’s a philosophy. 
It’s harm reduction, because it could never be practical to claim it’s harm elimination.

 

What is Veganism to you? 
 

 

[Summerboy95]

Lol that member trying to talk about unethical farming when almost every crop is dedicated to feeding livestock 

 

 

[Vixen Eyes]

tis why im trying to go vegan!

im still working on avoiding cheese and butter