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[ugo]

5 minutes ago, Communion said:

You're diverting again. 

 

No one is talking about praise. You said Islam uniquely cannot be reformed. You explicitly are not including in that category religions that meet the same criteria you've listed as for why. 

 

Again: do you want less conservative Muslims or no Muslims at all?

you're diverting because why bring up christianity 

[SLIME]

Religious extremism is a massive problem we can keep talking about but the back & forth and generalizing in this thread is not respectful to O'Shae's memory.

 

Rest in peace to his soul. So scary and sad. We are not as safe as we like to think we are.

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, ugo said:

you're diverting because why bring up christianity 

You did by suggesting something is exclusive to Islam that justifies that claim that it as a religion cannot be reformed despite all religions by definition having the capacity to be reformed and changed.  What exactly do you believe religions are besides folk wisdom organized into new formations?

Edited August 2, 2023 by Communion

[ugo]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

You did by suggesting something is exclusive to Islam that justifies that claim that it as a religion cannot be reformed despite all religions by definition having the capacitt to be reformed and changed. 

well it's kind of exclusive 

[Weld_E]

Not surprised to find THAT user in this thread writing deflective essays upon essays, yet not once did they condemn or even address the OP.

 

This is sad, appalling, and disgusting. Muslims keep fighting to practice their beliefs everywhere but have no tolerance or acceptance for other minorities to do the same.

[Communion]

4 hours ago, Weld_E said:

Yet not once did they condemn or even address the OP.

That's what happens when far right members like yourself and others decide to use a thread about someone's unfair and horrific death to not only be bigots and fascists but to bully and attack a member because of their religion. (Also whew at outing yourself as being more interested in people condemning the murderer and not if they wished for the murdered to rest in peace. Mask off as always).

 

Of course you have nothing to say that @playboi's first post in this thread was not to mourn the person killed but to - without prompt - single out and attack @Embustera for being Muslim despite that they had literally not defended what happened nor quoted anyone and just wrote a post wishing them to rest in peace. 

 

What part of showing respect to the dead comes in making your first action in a thread to racially and culturally degrade a member because they share a religion with the murderer? @Embustera made no mention of religion in their post so the only reason @playboi could have for theirs that quoted them is knowing that user is Muslim and deciding to harass them because the killer was also Muslim. How is that user behaving any differently than MAGA bigots who sit in the mentions of famous Muslim American politicians and ask them to take responsibility for murders done by Muslims? Would it be fine to target a user because they are the same ethnicity as a murderer in a thread about a current event? What would you call that? What part of showing respect to the dead is found is targeted harassment? 

Edited August 2, 2023 by Communion

[Weld_E]

Another deflective essay that fails to address the quoted sentence 

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Weld_E said:

Another deflective essay that fails to address the quoted sentence 

Why did @playboi decide to quote @Embustera without prompt and srart preaching  at them about what the Quran teaches? Where did they mention religion or defend what happen to require another member ensure that religion be brought up, specifically their religion at them?

 

PS - You're supposed to keep up the "we hate Islam, not Muslims" front by not degrading and bullying people for being Muslim. The positive reactions on likely warned posts shouldn't hype you up and convince you this is some "no holds barred" space for those resentments you have. 

 

Imagine deciding an online pop forum is where you have to funnel your greviances with a religion and deciding to manifest what is likely hurt into harassing a member just because they're a member of a religion you have a burning, likely personal hatred for.  

[Shelter]

The mess in here 

[Raptus]

37 minutes ago, NewStanner said:

This is so horrifying, the man was just dancing and they killed him for that wtf? May he rest in peace, and these revolting creatures better suffer the very worst for the rest of their worthless lives

There are muslim gangs in prisons. They will be safe and seen as a heros

[Dessy]

Extremely sad and horrifying. Antecodally Ive been noticing in uptick in homophobic violence. Very alarming for me. 

[Afterglow]

23 hours ago, Saintlor said:

Is New York as dangerous as everyone makes it out to be? I assumed it would be safe as long as you avoid areas that are known to be bad

No. It's just dangerous to be black and gay literally anywhere in the USA.

[dlwlrma]

18 hours ago, Embustera said:

my religion teaches me to be a good person and to be good to other people. I’m not going to entertain you. Bye.

[lonnie]

People using this tragic incident as an excuse to be islamophobic when American Christian extremists are doing their own share of literally funding anti-gay laws in Africa as we speak and a gay man was also just stabbed in one of those places that they're funding as well just last week (Ghana), let alone all the scary legislations passing in America right now.

This is a very sad case. O'shea Sibley deserves to still be in this world and didn't deserve the cruelty that took him from it, but targeting Muslims out of rage is wrong. All religious fundamentalists should be challenged, whoever uses their religion and ideology for violence should be condemned but using this to dump on one group of people is not the way.

[Headlock]

12 hours ago, Selaphiel said:

 

 

Can you cite a precedent of a state letting in millions of foreigners who never set foot in that state under an international right of return as opposed to its own immigration policy? 
 

 

Idk, maybe… Israel?  

[Orsay]

What happened to the killers? Have they been apprehended? Hopefully locked up for life or death sentence.

[Selaphiel]

47 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Idk, maybe… Israel?  

That would be a state accepting refugees (Holocaust survivors and Jews expelled from Muslim countries). And they did so under local immigration laws, not any international pressure.

[Bacratto]

On 8/1/2023 at 11:06 AM, Selaphiel said:

Yep. Some Western European cities can be very intimidating and dangerous to the LGBTQ community due to their huge Muslim population, especially in the UK, Germany, Netherlands/Belgium and Sweden.

 

I never thought we’d see these cases of Islamic terrorism in the US like we have in Europe for some time now.

Americans are just plain tired and armed to the bones.  When things escalate in a 'Stand Your Ground' state, we can almost predict what's going to happen next.

 

Honestly, it's tragic. I've seen videos of extremists causing havoc on the streets of France and it's just insane. The turmoil they're causing is cruel and unnecessary. It's not just affecting the LGBTQ+ community, but children, women, and men.

 

@DirtyPony87 @Embustera lmao stay pressed. 

[NEUTRON]

I'm so sad this happened to Oshea. He should still be here with us dancing and just being the awesome person he was. 😭

[Daddy]

2 hours ago, lonnie said:

when American Christian extremists are doing their own share of literally funding anti-gay laws in Africa as we speak and a gay man was also just stabbed in one of those places that they're funding as well just last week (Ghana), let alone all the scary legislations passing in America right now.

This. Every religion is fostering hate, to just blame Muslims is in fact islamophobic. 

[Weld_E]

Why is @Embustera reporting everyone he disagrees with in this thread and pushing for them to get warned? Our opinions and experiences are just as valid and we are free to criticize a religion that has and continues to oppress us @ATRL Administration

[TiaTamera]

On 8/2/2023 at 3:36 AM, ugo said:

well it's kind of exclusive 

Persecuting people in the LGBTQ+ is NOT exclusively Islamic.

 

 

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There’s a memorial taking place tomorrow if anyone would like to attend. https://www.instagram.com/p/CvdyJDRMwTi/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

I most likely will be going. This is a horrible way to die and none of the older men did jack **** about stopping that 17 year old for taking someone’s life. There are other sins in Islam that calls for death if someone is doing them and I’m sure he has or will as he gets older, commit said sins. People need to not take life into their own hands. 

[TiaTamera]

On 8/2/2023 at 2:15 AM, Selaphiel said:

Why did you put quotation marks on the word homeland? Are you implying Jewish people have no homeland and are not indigenous to Israel despite all the historical, archaeological and even genetic evidence?

 

And you have to be really disingenuous to pretend a lot of anti-Israel activists are not calling for the total annihilation of Israel and for its citizens to be expelled or even killed.

 

Can you cite a precedent of a state letting in millions of foreigners who never set foot in that state under an international right of return as opposed to its own immigration policy? 
 

Palestinians should absolutely have their own state in the West Bank, not in Israel proper. Yes, Israel should remain a democratic and Jewish-majority state. History has shown us what happens when Jews live as a minority, and given that most Israeli descend from either Holocaust survivors or Jews who were ethnically cleansed from Muslim countries I don’t think you can argue against that.

 

 

Anyway, Islam can and should be reformed. But so far there hasn’t been any signs that’s going to happen any time soon. 

Ghana

[Tsareena]

6 minutes ago, Weld_E said:

Why is @Embustera reporting everyone he disagrees with in this thread and pushing for them to get warned? Our opinions and experiences are just as valid and we are free to criticize a religion that has and continues to oppress us @ATRL Administration

There is still no update on the suspect and all we know is they're clearly homophobic and a Muslim teen.  People ran with the lack of details in this thread having this conversation on Islam again when we don't know much else. I don't see the point of this when in today's climate it's clear the rise of homophobic rhetoric is not tied to a specific religion in the US. I've warned a few posts in this thread accordingly. Some were not warned because different mods handled them and maybe they agree with you. I just need the focus of this thread to remain on the victim and the crime as more information comes out. I'll threadban whoever needs to be removed to maintain that.

[Samsara]

On 8/3/2023 at 4:26 AM, Daddy said:

This. Every religion is fostering hate, to just blame Muslims is in fact islamophobic. 

How many religions do you know there are exactly and have you looked into the tenets of each one of them for you to make such a sweeping conjecture? There is no common ground among religions. Not even all of them believe in god, let alone hold the same exact view regarding homosexuality or any other issue. Religion is just an umbrella term for sets of beliefs, and just like politics and economics there exists a diversity of opinion, ideas and attitudes in religion ranging from extreme to moderate, from conservative to liberal, from theistic to even atheistic.