celeb news noah schnapp deletes Palestinian comments from his Israel posts

[Jjang]

1 minute ago, besaid said:

Well, "anti-Zionists" say its because they want to eliminate the Jewish state (which is the only state on Earth they talk about like this) which not so coincidently sounds like the anti-Semitic version that wanted to just eliminate Jewish people. We're all supposed to sit around and pretend that's not on accident, I guess.  It's just a thinly veiled acceptable progressive version of old antisemitic tropes. Nothing new, same old ****.

Oh wow. 

 

So you're quite literally calling us Nazis in disguise. While we supposedly have to tiptoe around saying Zionism resembles fascism. I'm quite literally telling you Zionism is displacing me, my family, and my friends and you're like "But you're Nazi Germany in disguise, YOU should feel sorry for ME" " 

 

Again, for context for people reading: this member believes that quoting international law, Amnesty International, and Humans Rights Watch is Nazism in disguise. 

 

[Marianah Adkins]

Its ironic that the people who were persecuted and attempted to be exterminated for them lacking no true homeland, is doing the same to other peoples who also lost their homeland.

Zionism may have started with a “noble cause” but it ended up parroting the same stance and view of the group that tried to exterminate it.

[besaid]

23 minutes ago, Jjang said:

So you're quite literally calling us Nazis in disguise. 

 

No, I'm calling you an antisemite and not even remotely in disguise (don't flatter yourself). 

[Jjang]

Just now, besaid said:

No, I'm calling you an antisemite and not even remotely in disguise (don't flatter yourself). 

you literally said it’s no coincidence that we sound like Nazis who were calling for the eradication of the Jewish people. quite literally. Disgusting comment just like your disgusting support of the ethnic cleansing of my family from their homes. 

 

and I’m informing you that you’re an anti - Palestinian who supports a genocide that is happening right now, while you and your cute conspiracy theories are playing “what if” imaginary scenarios about us plotting the return of the century old dead Nazi regime your are actually supporting a genocidal regime that is happening right now, in the material reality, in the physical non imaginary world of July 2023. 

 

[rihannafan]

"my family has been displaced"

 

-> "Youre a nazi and an anti-semite"

 

The brainwashing, lack of intelligent respose and lack of empathy are truly something else.

[Jjang]

1 minute ago, rihannafan said:

"my family has been displaced"

 

-> "Youre a nazi and an anti-semite"

 

The brainwashing, lack of intelligent respose and lack of empathy are truly something else.

thank you. 

[rihannafan]

1 minute ago, Jjang said:

thank you. 

[besaid]

1 minute ago, rihannafan said:

"my family has been displaced"

 

-> "Youre a nazi and an anti-semite"

 

The brainwashing, lack of intelligent respose and lack of empathy are truly something else.

That's not been my conversation with these antisemites in this thread - at all. 

 

It's been,

 

-> "Noah is displaying Nazi behavior by standing around all Jewish-y on instagram. Why don't you hate him like I do?"

 

-> "Sorry no that's actually antisemitic and I'm Jewish and that's wrong."

 

-> "Why do you want to murder Palestinians? Did you know the ADL was behind apartheid?"

[rihannafan]

2 minutes ago, besaid said:

That's not been my conversation with these antisemites in this thread - at all. 

 

It's been,

 

-> "Noah is displaying Nazi behavior by standing around all Jewish-y on instagram. Why don't you hate him like I do?"

 

-> "Sorry no that's actually antisemitic and I'm Jewish and that's wrong."

 

-> "Why do you want to murder Palestinians? Did you know the ADL was behind apartheid?"

The fact that you can't grasp why someone who's personally affected by Israel can find Noah's behavior distasteful tells me that there is not much reason to debate this with you. 

 

Btw I have also been displaced by Israeli forces. Nowhere near as bad as what palestinians went through but still. I can guarantee you that 0 israelis have been affected by palestinian forces.

[besaid]

16 minutes ago, Jjang said:

you literally said it’s no coincidence that we sound like Nazis who were calling for the eradication of the Jewish people. quite literally. Disgusting comment just like your disgusting support of the ethnic cleansing of my family from their homes. 

 

and I’m informing you that you’re an anti - Palestinian who supports a genocide that is happening right now, while you and your cute conspiracy theories are playing “what if” imaginary scenarios about us plotting the return of the century old dead Nazi regime your are actually supporting a genocidal regime that is happening right now, in the material reality, in the physical non imaginary world of July 2023. 

 

Right, because antisemitic conspiracies and violence that come from them are just "what if" scenarios with no connection to reality (). And no, I'm not ignorant and use the words I want to use unlike you. I've continued to correctly identify you as an antisemite. AEB your obsessive derogatory use of the word "Zionist" to describe me and any other Jew like Noah, calling Jewish people "Nazis" or liking posts to that effect, etc. No one said you "sound" like a "Nazi". I said you are an antisemite and I think you know that as well as I do.

Edited July 23, 2023 by besaid

[ZIVERT]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

"Palestinians are fighting and launching attacks on ISRAELI LAND!". 

 

What version of Israeli land - 1937, 1947, 1967 or 2023?

 

Interesting that you show this map when there’s only one side that rejected the 1947 partition plan, and launched two wars of expulsion in order to kick the other group out. Doesn’t excuse the settlements or aggressive expansion by the Israeli government in the 21st century, but facts are facts.

 

However, I’m choosing not to engage with you any further because your history of picking and choosing what is genocide and what isn’t is problematic, and you have shown time and time again that you hate Jewish people.
 

OT: Wishing for peace in the Middle East!

[MoonGoodandHappy]

I love him so much 

[besaid]

5 minutes ago, rihannafan said:

The fact that you can't grasp why someone who's personally affected by Israel can find Noah's behavior distasteful tells me that there is not much reason to debate this with you. 

 

Btw I have also been displaced by Israeli forces. Nowhere near as bad as what palestinians went through but still. I can guarantee you that 0 israelis have been affected by palestinian forces.

You can find it distasteful all you want, fine. I took issue with it being described as "Nazi behavior". Surely, as someone with family wiped out and displaced by the hurricane of violent conspiracies about Jews that led to the holocaust, you should be able to understand why I would find a Jew being called a Nazi for standing around in photos in Israel "distasteful".

[nostalgic]

1 hour ago, Jjang said:

I'm not the one who needs to do the explaining in this thread.

 

I brought up a plethora of valid and rational points that explain my stance, which thankfully the majority of ATRL seemed to agree with (while you disliked all of my comments ironically) so I'm not losing sleep because a Zionist, anti - Palestinian member does not understand my points. 

 

@Communion all those crocodile tears and antisemitic rants reminded me of this video by nonother than Israel's ex-Minister of Education.

 

 

I hope you realize this video is widely used by white supremacists and Holocaust deniers to frame Jewish people as inherently deceptive. You probably know that though. Funny how left-wing anti-Zionists and white supremacists have the same taste in propaganda 

[Komet]

I always giggle at how fast the anti-semitism card gets pulled out after even minor criticism of Israel

[ZIVERT]

7 minutes ago, Komet blu said:

I always giggle at how fast the anti-semitism card gets pulled out after even minor criticism of Israel

I criticize Israel all the time, the country has shitty politics and the far right and religious conservatives are a menace to society and the world  

 

But that is different from saying Jewish people should not have a country of their own after 2,000 years of displacement and genocide. Jewish people make up .2% of the world, but people lose their mind at the idea of Jews having autonomy  it’s giving WEIRD

[Negev]

19 minutes ago, rihannafan said:

The fact that you can't grasp why someone who's personally affected by Israel can find Noah's behavior distasteful tells me that there is not much reason to debate this with you. 

 

Btw I have also been displaced by Israeli forces. Nowhere near as bad as what palestinians went through but still. I can guarantee you that 0 israelis have been affected by palestinian forces.

I'm very sorry that your family had been displaced. My family on both sides were Syrian and Moroccan and had to escape prosecution for practicing their religion in the 60s. 

 

But the final sentence... I have to understand- are you saying that zero Israelis have been affected by Palestinian forces? I live here so I know this is false. Why would you say something so blatantly wrong? 

[Communion]

22 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

only one side that rejected the 1947 partition plan

"Why did the people who made up the 67% of the population and owned 90% of the land reject the notion of being given only 45% of the land?"

 

If Ukraine has the right to reject Russia's "offer" to give them back only a portion of their land, why would Palestinians be in the wrong to reject Israel's proposal that they split 55/45 land that was largely Palestinian owned?

 

What are the the meaningful differences, if any, between these two maps besides the reality that Israel would simply not exist if Palestine was given the same military aid Ukraine was?

 

 

Edited July 23, 2023 by Communion

[nostalgic]

15 minutes ago, besaid said:

You can find it distasteful all you want, fine. I took issue with it being described as "Nazi behavior". Surely, as someone with family wiped out and displaced by the hurricane of violent conspiracies about Jews that led to the holocaust, you should be able to understand why I would find a Jew being called a Nazi for standing around in photos in Israel "distasteful".

Don't bother with these losers. You don't have a thing to prove to anyone. 

[rihannafan]

11 minutes ago, Negev said:

I'm very sorry that your family had been displaced. My family on both sides were Syrian and Moroccan and had to escape prosecution for practicing their religion in the 60s. 

 

But the final sentence... I have to understand- are you saying that zero Israelis have been affected by Palestinian forces? I live here so I know this is false. Why would you say something so blatantly wrong? 

I meant on ATRL. Because they are way fewer and farther in between and the way they are affected is way more minimal. Those are just facts.

 

Fact that I don't live in either palestine or Israel and have received more of a threat on my life from this conflict than most israelis says a whole lot.

Edited July 23, 2023 by rihannafan

[Jjang]

25 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

I hope you realize this video is widely used by white supremacists and Holocaust deniers to frame Jewish people as inherently deceptive. You probably know that though. Funny how left-wing anti-Zionists and white supremacists have the same taste in propaganda 

I don't know that nor do I engage in that world. The video clearly discusses this topic in the context of criticism of Israel. I have never once denied the Holocaust and even expressed why it's important to show solidarity with historic events such as the Warsaw Uprising in this very thread. So again, this forceful, artificial, incredibly shallow attempt to try to frame me as Nazi sympathizers is just stunning on all levels. The brainwashing is next level. 

 

The only idea I ever rejected in regard to the Holocaust is that it justifies land theft and ethnic cleansing and weaponizing it as a means to keep other groups of people discriminated against. But you know that already.

 

 

35 minutes ago, besaid said:

Right, because antisemitic conspiracies and violence that come from them are just "what if" scenarios with no connection to reality (). And no, I'm not ignorant and use the words I want to use unlike you. I've continued to correctly identify you as an antisemite. AEB your obsessive derogatory use of the word "Zionist" to describe me and any other Jew like Noah, calling Jewish people "Nazis" or liking posts to that effect, etc. No one said you "sound" like a "Nazi". I said you are an antisemite and I think you know that as well as I do.

The entirety of this thread has been a continuous pattern of us explaining exactly what the issue is to you and you going "No no no, you're wrong, it's because they're JEWISH " 

 

we explained to you why posting a picture of an illegally occupied region (East Jerusalem) where literally apartheid is maintained through an illegal military occupying power and captioning it "Israel, my happy place" is problematic, we already explained to you why deleting Palestinian comments and liking pro - Zionists comments are problematic, we already explained to you in full detail why hanging around with notorious Israeli Internet personalities who are Nakba deniers and apartheid deniers is problematic. You chose to skip all of that and go "OH, so you're criticizing him for being a Jew??? " 

 

I know you're clutching your pearls trying to hyperfocus and hold onto that Nazi comment made by that member but you already made it clear that your opinion extends far beyond that one comment and you literally refuse to hear any criticism about Zionism as a political ideology. Again -> "You're just judging Israel because its JEWISH!!! you don't judge other countries !! (we do) "

 

just like when we quoted the UN, Amnesty International, HRU (how many times do we have to repeat that) and you were "omg you are repeating anti semitic Nazi tropes by quoting the international law!!! "

 

And then finally, the icing on the cake - calling me an antisemite for being kicked out of my own home in the name of Zionism. 

[nostalgic]

2 minutes ago, Jjang said:

I don't know that nor do I engage in that world. The video clearly discusses this topic in the context of criticism of Israel. I have never once denied the Holocaust and even expressed why it's important to show solidarity with historic events such as the Warsaw Uprising in this very thread. So again, this forceful, artificial, incredibly shallow attempt to try to frame me as Nazi sympathizers is just stunning on all levels. The brainwashing is next level. 

 

The only idea I ever rejected in regard to the Holocaust is that it justifies land theft and ethnic cleansing and weaponizing it as a means to keep other groups of people discriminated against. But you know that already.

 

 

The entirety of this thread has been a continuous pattern of us explaining exactly what the issue is to you and you going "No no no, you're wrong, it's because they're JEWISH " 

 

we explained to you why posting a picture of an illegally occupied region (East Jerusalem) where literally apartheid is maintained through an illegal military occupying power and captioning it "Israel, my happy place" is problematic, we already explained to you why deleting Palestinian comments and liking pro - Zionists comments are problematic, we already explained to you in full detail why hanging around with notorious Israeli Internet personalities who are Nakba deniers and apartheid deniers is problematic. You chose to skip all of that and go "OH, so you're criticizing him for being a Jew??? " 

 

I know you're clutching your pearls trying to hyperfocus and hold onto that Nazi comment made by that member but you already made it clear that your opinion extends far beyond that one comment and you literally refuse to hear any criticism about Zionism as a political ideology. Again -> "You're just judging Israel because its JEWISH!!! you don't judge other countries !! (we do) "

 

just like when we quoted the UN, Amnesty International, HRU (how many times do we have to repeat that) and you were "omg you are repeating anti semitic Nazi tropes by quoting the international law!!! "

 

And then finally, the icing on the cake - calling me an antisemite for being kicked out of my own home in the name of Zionism. 

I keep tabs on that world and I can tell you that quote from her that accusations of anti-semitism are a tactic to silence opposition is a favorite among the far-right. Maybe you aren't aware of it but seeing you share that automatically throws up red flags for me  I hope the mods close this thread because it's clearly gone off course and the conversation is no longer productive, in fact it's become pretty uncomfortable. 

[rihannafan]

3 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

I keep tabs on that world and I can tell you that quote from her that accusations of anti-semitism are a tactic to silence opposition is a favorite among the far-right. Maybe you aren't aware of it but seeing you share that automatically throws up red flags for me  I hope the mods close this thread because it's clearly gone off course and the conversation is no longer productive, in fact it's become pretty uncomfortable. 

Another red flag is purposely ignoring context clues to throw wild accusations at people

Edited July 23, 2023 by rihannafan

[besaid]

36 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

I hope you realize this video is widely used by white supremacists and Holocaust deniers to frame Jewish people as inherently deceptive. You probably know that though. Funny how left-wing anti-Zionists and white supremacists have the same taste in propaganda 

The gasp I let out when I scrolled past that old piece of white supremacist propaganda  

 

On antisemitism being "a trick" Jews use against others:

 

"The cynicism in this debate comes from those who use the Shulamit Aloni quote as if it were a confession of mendacity on behalf of all Jewish people who complain about antisemitism."

 

https://medium.com/@Steve_Cooke/is-antisemitism-a-trick-a-closer-look-at-that-shulamit-aloni-meme-295fde27b0a8

[Cloröx]

1 hour ago, rihannafan said:

"my family has been displaced"

 

-> "Youre a nazi and an anti-semite"

 

The brainwashing, lack of intelligent respose and lack of empathy are truly something else.

We need to be more vocal bout this, spread the words