celeb news noah schnapp deletes Palestinian comments from his Israel posts

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, besaid said:

because the Dutch face the same violent genocidal conspiracy theories

 

1 hour ago, Communion said:

If you want to make the argument that Jewish suffering has been unique - one I think most people would agree with - and thus will now try to convince everyone there may need to be an exception with Jewish ethno-nationalism being warranted, be upfront and have enough confidence in your ideas to say that outright. Don't pretend to not understand the conflict at hand. 

What argument do you have that defends the idea that Israel must never lose its ethnic Jewish majority?

 

If the ethnic Jewish majority of Israel is that important to Israel, why did the UN determine that the return of all Palestinian refugees to Palestine (and thus meaning the number of Palestinians would out-number the number of Israelis) must be done and allowed by Israel to make a two-state solution workable? Is the UN antisemitic for rejecting this idea of an artificial ethnic majority? 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Communion

[besaid]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Why do you believe it is fine for a nation to maintain artificial ethnic majorities but yet when challenged on it can't actually articulate and proudly stand by the ethno-nationalism you're creating fallacies to defend?

 

Israel is an apartheid state. It is a state built on the idea of artificial ethnic majorities. 

How can people believe this is okay to do if you won't yourself stand by this ethnic subjugation of Palestinians?

This isn't the thread for this conversation imo and I haven't said anything of the sort. I guess you're just assuming I'm ok with all of Israel's government actions because I said I'm Jewish or because I don't like antisemitism? This thread is about Noah Schnapp's instagram post - which people were saying is displaying "Nazi behavior" here and in his replies and I challenged that as based on antisemitic attitudes.

[naval23]

oh that's not-

 

yikes he's trash

[besaid]

17 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

I wouldn't necessarily consider Israel an ethnostate. An ethnoreligious state, sure, bound by a common history and generational trauma. It's complicated because of the history here. Jews are a special case of an ethnoreligious group that have been villianized in nearly every home they've settled in. This creates a natural inate need for a safeguard (especially after the Holocaust). One can argue jews will never have to fear another mass genocide as the world has changed significantly, but we only need to look at the Rohingya in Myanmar and Uyghurs in China to see that mass scale ethnic cleansing is still possible right under the nose of the international community. So I see it as this is a tough subject to find the right solution to. Realistically, everyone is wrong in the Israel-Palestinian conflict. A solution that pleases everyone IS possible but that requires common sense and sacrifice, something neither the Israeli or Palestinian leadership has.

I would advise not making this argument (not saying that you would btw) 

 

I also agree that the Dutch "comparison" is really poorly thought out. What spiritual connection do white Europeans have in South Africa? To explain this one you have to go full Kelly Osbourne in a sense-in the sense that-...you know what I mean

 

Edited July 22, 2023 by besaid

[Communion]

30 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

I wouldn't necessarily consider Israel an ethnostate. An ethnoreligious state, sure

 

21 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

Also, there would be no spiritual connection 

So your defense of Israel.... is a religious text of fantasies? 

 

What then makes Israel different from a caliphate? What makes Israel any better than a theocratic Iran? 

 

"Young Jewish Americans whose closest ancestors would be someone walking around Judea over 2000 years ago having a SPIRITUAL KINSHIP with the LAND is why it's fine for them to displace the Palestinians living there now" is an insane and unserious counter-argument.

 

Could Muslim Turks then say their religious belief in spreading Islam would allow for them to create an autonomous state within Germany because there are enough of them and they feel a special kinship to these new enclaves and communities? Dipping into religiosity is not going to help whatever argument you hope to achieve. 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Communion

[Communion]

22 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

I was just explaining why the Jewish diaspora feels a connection to the land of Israel 

Quote

However, in other areas their knowledge was less deep: Only 49% of respondents correctly answered that David Ben-Gurion was Israel’s first prime minister, and just 39% correctly estimated that between one-third and two-thirds of the world’s Jews live in Israel. Another study, the Israel Literacy Measurement Project, asked respondents a more extensive battery of around 90 questions to measure knowledge about Israel.  The questions were posed specifically to Jewish college students preparing to go on Birthright trips, though Janet Krasner Aronson, the associate director of the Cohen Center for Modern Jewish Studies at Brandeis University and an author on the study, wrote in an email to Jewish Currents that she believed the results could serve as a “reasonable” reflection of the American Jewish population as a whole. Of 628 Jewish college students at 20 universities across the US, the average score was 46%, which the report’s authors found “less than acceptable”: They wrote that “this information deficit prevents students from contributing to discourse about Israel on campus in a meaningful way.” 

https://jewishcurrents.org/recent-polls-of-us-jews-reflect-polarized-community

 

The average naturalized citizen in the US has to know and learn more about the US as a country and politician system to become a citizen than what appears to be the average millennial Jewish-American's knowledge of Israel's history - and that is just in discussions of those actively seeking to travel to and gain citizenship in Israel, who one would think have a heightened understanding of this "sacred" place. 

 

Is it actually a spiritual connection that brings people with no overwhelmingly genetic connection to Israel, or that the Israeli government offers to subsidize these people's livelihoods and give them assistance to better their lives, like housing assistance and aid?

 

Even when this assistance is at the financial detriment of Palestinians whose homes get stolen and demolished so that new illegal settlements of subsidized housing for foreign settlers can be built?

 

What's the difference between Dutch migration to South Africa on the premise of financial gain on the basis of being ethnically Dutch and the migration of Jewish-Americans to Israel on the promise of a financial support?

 

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Edited July 22, 2023 by Communion

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

I think the Israeli government supporting young Jewish people 

Jewish-American*

And that action is inherently connected to the:

5 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

settlements and displacements

 

5 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

Would most Italian-Americans know who Luigi Luzzatti or Alessandro Fortis were?

Is the nation of Italy trying to sponsor the mass migration of Italian-Americans to Italy by murdering those within the nation who are not ethnically Italian through an apartheid system that violates non-Italians' human rights? 

 

Again, you and the other user are pretending to not understand why people would find a celebrity romanticizing Israel as annoying or harmful but then turn around and go "well no no, of course I don't agree with the settlements...". Everyone sees the dishonesty. 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Communion

[Mean Trees]

2 hours ago, besaid said:

Ohh the ADL is apart of the "cabal", is that right? Yeah I didn't think of that, silly me. Lots of thinly veiled little comments here - you should say what you really want to say.

You are absolutely ridiculous. We are literally talking about the ACTIONS (DOING WORDS) of a Zionist organization. You don't need to be apart of a shady cabal because a lot of the behaviors and ACTIONS are out in the open and are supported by the yes, NON-JEWISH controlled West. Happy now?

 

Edit: Can a mod please verify that I just changed one word from allied to supported. Thanks.

Edited July 22, 2023 by Mean Trees

[rihannafan]

Interesting that the same people here that (rightfully) believe gays shouldnt be persecuted because of religious people yet think people are allowed to claim a land because of religion? I am absolutely sick and tired of people siding with religious terrorism because they believe Arabs are subhuman.

[dlwlrma]

 
let me support this king watching his whole filmography 

[Meowpie]

8 hours ago, Luckitty said:

atrl is full of anti-arabs who would happily genocide the entire arab world if they could, so I'm expecting the comments on this thread to be 99% in support of israel's ethnic cleansing and genocide like most threads about palestine

Arabs genocided, colonised, and raped huge part of Asia and North Africa. Which is million times bigger than their original territory of small part of Saudi Arabia. I wouldn’t be the one talking if i was you.

[Communion]

20 minutes ago, nostalgic said:

Is he romanticizing Israel 

8 hours ago, Jjang said:

He also posted a picture where the Al Aqsa compound is shown and tagged it "Israel" despite the international law standing firm about it being Palestinian land illegally occupied by apartheid Israel.  

He's basically on a brand ambassador trip with a culture & tourism cut-out of the Israeli government:

 

Making visiting an apartheid state for the sake of tourism a cultural totem of right-wing politics. 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Communion

[Yaro]

These threads are like catnip for hasbara trolls .

Anyways, Zionism is antisemitic in its very essence, read a book or two. 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Yaro

[Jjang]

8 minutes ago, Communion said:

He's basically on a brand ambassador trip with a culture & tourism cut-out of the Israeli government:

 

Making visiting an apartheid state for the sake of tourism a cultural totem of right-wing politics. 

oh my oh my 

[besaid]

6 hours ago, Domination said:

I have several Jewish friends with whom I tend to walk on eggshells when it comes to this topic and I understand for a lot of young Jewish people, birthright trips are a moment of self actualization. 

 

Noah’s post is pretty bad. Even if one chooses to go, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t at least try to be mindful and sympathetic to the fact that the Israeli government is brutalizing Palestinians day in and day out.

But that doesn't make "Nazi behavior" or "support for genocide" to go on a trip to the Jewish state as a Jewish young adult and simply not say something (yet) about that. None of these antisemites dogpiling him in the replies and this thread would ever go this far over a muslim or arab star visiting, say, Saudi Arabia or UAE, and making it out like visiting there was a positive endorsement of everything that state has ever said or done. But Jewish stars like Gal Gadot and now, Noah Schnapp are held to another standard while the only difference is their Jewish background and faith. 

[punisher]

What a trash ignorant human. I’m gonna stop there cause I know if I start fully engaging in this thread i’ll probably get banned

[La Reina]

This thread is a mess and it's beyond sad because it shows exactly why people will never see eye-to-eye when it comes to this

 

That video of Palestinians being kicked from their homes to make way for settlers is disgusting no matter what

[Thor]

Nasty zionist PIG.

[MermaidPrincess]

Yikes. Garbage. 

[MermaidPrincess]

Free Palestine 💕

[State of Grace.]

1 hour ago, Meowpie said:

Arabs genocided, colonised, and raped huge part of Asia and North Africa. Which is million times bigger than their original territory of small part of Saudi Arabia. I wouldn’t be the one talking if i was you.

Joined: January 27, 2017

Jessie Ware (#Zionist) avi

68 posts

Knows Jolie's Lips

Upvoting all zionist posts in this thread and downvoting the pro-Palestine ones

Already has a racist post about black people/the country song going viral

 

Can yall make your racist and zionist dupes/bots less obvious? 😭😭😭😭😭😭

Edited July 22, 2023 by State of Grace.

[Meowpie]

37 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Joined: January 27, 2017

Jessie Ware (#Zionist) avi

68 posts

Knows Jolie's Lips

Upvoting all zionist posts in this thread and downvoting the pro-Palestine ones

Already has a racist post about black people/the country song going viral

 

Can yall make your racist and zionist dupes/bots less obvious? 😭😭😭😭😭😭

Ad hominem attacks? Nothing to answer on topic, sweetie? 

[unclefloprry]

[Miss Show Business]

I'm so tired of polarization this issue brings and the lack of nuance from arguments on both sides. There is no right side to this issue and I wish more people saw it this way. There can never be peace so as long as both countries continue attacking one another.

[CBC]

honey wake up new israel vs palestine thread just dropped