celeb news noah schnapp deletes Palestinian comments from his Israel posts

[Jjang]

1 hour ago, Selaphiel said:

1. East Jerusalem’s Arab residents have Israeli residency and can even apply to citizenship if they want to (and they are increasingly doing so). So East Jerusalem’s situation is quite different than that of the West Bank. If/when there’s an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank, East Jerusalem is not going to be part of it. This is a fact we all have to accept, there are too many things involved.

 

2. You keep throwing the word Zionism as if it’s a bad word. It’s not. If you believe Israel has a right to exist, you’re a Zionist, it’s that simple. 95% of Jews worldwide are Zionists (except some ultra Orthodox and Hasidic groups). So you’re basically calling 95% of Jews Nazis. That’s why it’s problematic to say ‘I don’t hate Jews, I only hate Zionist’. A lot of people just use the word Zionist to disguise their hatred of Jews.

The Nazi flag has been raised in some Palestinian protests, there are shop stores in Palestinian Territories named after Hitler. Is it correct to say all Palestinians resemble Nazis? No. So it’s even more wrong to say the actual victims of Nazis resemble Nazis. Get it?

1) the vast majority of these requests get discriminatively denied (LetsTalkPalestine did a great article about this) by Israel and the minority who do get access take years upon years and sometimes decades of process for a status that should be handed to them by birthright just like it is handed to European and American Jews by birthright. The rates for building permits & infrastructure requests are overwhelmingly low as well. Not to mention illegal home raids by the IOF, the illegal ethnic cleansing (there are thousands under imminent home demolishing threat in Silwan alone as we speak) the detention and arrest of activists without trials (I literally personally know five who were detained just because in the last 12 months), and the presence of an illegally occupying army where they shouldn't be at the very bare minimum.

 

2) Zionism, the political ideology that was born out of Eastern Europe in the late 1800s is a fascist ideology no matter how hard you keep going back and forth with it. Feel free to read my comments throughout this thread as I touched on this too many times by now and explained in great detail why I think that it amounts to a fascist ideology. Scholarly polls and surveys showed an overwhelming decline in Zionist support amongst Jewish Americans and even a 25% decline in Evangelical Christian support over the past three years. Something's gotta give and there's a good reason why people (Jewish or non-Jewish alike) are having a morally clearer attitude towards Zionism. 

 

Most Israeli streets are named after fascist genocidal historical figures. I've attended countless pro-Palestinian rallies for too many years and haven't encountered one Nazi flag. If anything Israel's PM shook hands with more Nazi sympathizers than Palestinians. We have the receipts. The whole idea that Palestinians should not imminently get their halted universal basic mere human rights (which both Humans Rights Watch and Amnesty International and Israeli human rights organizations called for) because some groups are anti-semitic is straight-up ridiculous: again, what about Ukraine? Didn't Amnesty report in early 2014 that their army actually has a Neo-Nazi problem? Doesn't Israel still support Ukraine's fight for freedom? funny how that works. 

 

ffs: https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/local-jews-worried-about-behavior-of-neo-nazi-mayor-of-ukrainian-town-12-2-2015?print=true

 

 

Palestinians should not be begging their oppressors to see them as perfect victims so their mere fundamental human rights are respected. the idea that a whole people should be subjected to apartheid because (as in any other population) some groups hold anti-semitic, homophobic, or sexist views is outrageous. To not live under a brutal military occupation or be subjected to apartheid rules should be an outrageous request yet here we are. 

 

It's also funny how you're trying to allude that "not all Zionism is bad" yet simultaneously alluding every Palestinian voice to antisemitism all while championing apartheid rules and weaponizing antisemitism to ridicule Palestinians yourself. 

 

Again, feel free to read these posts of mine in this thread as I touched on this topic too many times:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Jjang

[Jjang]

2 hours ago, If U Seek Amy said:

I do not believe I have ever said no one cares about your comments here. I have only stated that it is not actually providing any net benefit for the cause. If I did I am sorry and absolutely I did not mean that. Your thoughts and emotions are extremely valid. Saying things people already agree with and believe also does nothing beyond further validating yourself and feelings for no reason. And you know you are being needlessly defensive and emotional by simply calling everyone racist just because you do not like what they have to say. I am in support of Palestine  I just also think putting all this energy towards Noah Schnapp is silly

it's serving a UN "we are very concerned" letter 

 

but who are you, to repeatedly tell a Palestinian that is actively living through this that they're not doing anything beneficial or to ridicule me by continuously telling me to "just log off and stop being chronically online" ?  if Palestinians are all collectively saying that any celebrity white washing what's going on is problematic to them (this time it just happened to fall on Noah) then by any means their opinions are automatically valid because you're not the one living under constant oppression. If they say it's important to point these things out then you have absolutely no right to come and ridicule that. Contrary to what they tricked you to believe, this thread is not about Noah but about the moral dangers of this kind of social media activity when it comes to the Palestinian cause and it's 100% valid - it just happened that the same racists who proudly champion apartheid in other threads weaponized anti-Semitism in this thread by clinging to his Jewish identity. Again - this thread is not about Noah as a person. I dragged my own fave for even lesser reasons and I stated so in this thread. 

 

again, this sums it all up - https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLbC1bkd/ 

 

and again, you quite literally know nothing about my life or what I do yet you felt more than free to make your own set of assumptions. Just like you assumed I don't do anything about this cause (that directly affects my daily life) offline. what do you want me to do, go tell the nice soldier to go home?

 

Literally 95% of the people I called racist here were at one point or other clearly outed as such on this very same site. Sorry if sometimes I throw that word to loosely but it's literally evident that these people are racist. Contemporary racists literally exist and there's plenty of them here too. but I do think for someone who classifies themselves as pro-Palestinian you've done nothing but bury their voices and amplify their ridiculers'. So I don't know, maybe review the context of everything happening in this thread and come to a conclusion to what's actually important? It's not about arrogantly scolding Palestinians about "what actually matters" though! what are you doing for this cause, btw? 

 

and finally, if dozens of members approached me and personally told me they were educated by my posts here then by all means that is spreading awareness even if it's the most minimal contribution. Who are you to dismiss that? 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Jjang

[NausAllien]

The anti-Semitic comments in this post are DISGUSTING...

 

Mods, are you there? 

[JungleJuice]

7 hours ago, Selaphiel said:

Deeply. They showed their true colors.

Yes and they didn't respond as to why they follow his Instagram so obsessively to be able to notice deleted comments and stuff. That user litterally studies his posts and comments. I would not be shocked if Noah even has a few likes from the op

[Jjang]

11 hours ago, JungleJuice said:

Yes and they didn't respond as to why they follow his Instagram so obsessively to be able to notice deleted comments and stuff. That user litterally studies his posts and comments. I would not be shocked if Noah even has a few likes from the op

@Communion already posted all the receipts in this thread. Also, I didn’t need to do any work beside echoing what thousands of people have already noted online. I can’t believe you think you’re eating with this DUMB take  we don’t live in the stone age sweetie these things come to the surface in an instant on twitter. 

 

again - what a DUMB take. but what can you expect from a racist who’s sole purpose in this thread is to troll alongside their friend who self declared themselves as fascist last week. 

Edited August 16, 2023 by Jjang

[Communion]

20 hours ago, JungleJuice said:

Isn't this antisemitic 

Again, while I or other users can recognize that some topics demand a certain sensitivity - like referenced previously how *I* usually try to avoid comparing Israel to Nazi Germany and find the comparison to Apartheid-era South Africa, Rhodesia, and Jim Crow America much more effective - it's hard to find myself outraged over people making clumsy comments (like Daddy did) while users who are offended are berating a Palestinian living under apartheid.

 

Just as how using Nazism as a reference point for extreme evils is now super common (Godwin's law is literally the name for this adage) in online discourse, comparing someone to a rat is a common insult, largely removed from past ideas of dehumanization. In comparison to say words like "vermin" that still express an overt sense of dehumanization.

 

So again, I agree it's much more effective for advocating the end of the attempted cultural genocide of the Palestinians by Israeli nationalists and fascists to have a heightened sense of tact in our verbiage, I also fail to be moved by claims of offense by users who are objectively white supremacists like @Selaphiel who has previously framed Arabs as monsters and animals and mongrels ~invading~ Europe to *DESTROY* it and its values. 

 

We know said user is a white supremacist  acting in bad faith because not even 24 hours ago they were arguing that far-right, very homophobic countries like Poland and Hungary (Poland literally has no-go zones for LGBT people!!! ) were apparently "safer" for gay people than *checks notes* LONDON (?) or BERLIN (?) because uhh Poland is 98% white and Western Europe is getting browner?

 

 

Arguing that the safety of a country is equal to how white said country is.. what do we call that? 

 

Again, the Zionist perspective is an inherently nationalist and thus supremacist one.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Communion

[ZIVERT]

On 8/15/2023 at 6:34 AM, Jjang said:

disagree 

 

 

Quoting for visibility. I have to say, it’s quite disgusting that some members of this site are defending a German member’s comparison of Israel to Nazi Germany, say they’re not anti-Semitic, and then turn around and use a literal Nazi Germany-era anti-semitic trope.

 

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Fritz Hippler, the president of the Reich Film Chamber, directed the film Der ewige Jude, with input from German Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels. A pseudo-documentary, it included scenes of Jews shot in the Warsaw and Lodz ghettos by propaganda company crews attached to the German military. This film was quite popular with audiences in Germany and throughout occupied Europe.

One of the film’s most notorious sequences compares Jews to rats that carry contagion, flood the continent, and devour precious resources.

 

Source

This should honestly be ZTP’d.

Edited August 16, 2023 by ZIVERT

[Jjang]

7 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Quoting for visibility. I have to say, it’s quite disgusting that some members of this site are defending a German member’s comparison of Israel to Nazi Germany, say they’re not anti-Semitic, and then turn around and use a literal Nazi Germany-era anti-semitic trope.

 

 

 

 

This should honestly be ZTP’d.

the faux outrage. 

 

never once in my life have I heard of that trope and neither am I German. I am Palestinian. living under the apartheid system you passionately defend. I called Noah a RAT because he looks like a rat. not because he is Jewish but because to me he is a rat just like the countless people I called rats for years on this site without any faux outrage from literal apartheid fanatics who last week were literally championing apartheid  but no calling someone a rat, literally one of the most common insults used here, is suddenly a Nazi trope in ATRL context. you’re despicable. 

 

once again I’m dumbfounded by how insincere, manipulative and frankly insensitive yall have become and how delusionaly far you’re willing to reach just to delay the conversation furthermore. 

 

you know its bad when every single antisemitic accusation (and I counted at least 8 in this thread alone) has backfired so your last resort is pretending like calling a white twink a hairless rat is now close to being the second Hitler. delulu. 

 

I don’t believe your outrage for a second. 

[Jjang]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

Again, while I or other users can recognize that some topics demand a certain sensitivity - like referenced previously how *I* usually try to avoid comparing Israel to Nazi Germany and find the comparison to Apartheid-era South Africa, Rhodesia, and Jim Crow America much more effective - it's hard to find myself outraged over people making clumsy comments (like Daddy did) while users who are offended are berating a Palestinian living under apartheid.

 

Just as how using Nazism as a reference point for extreme evils is now super common (Godwin's law is literally the name for this adage) in online discourse, comparing someone to a rat is a common insult, largely removed from past ideas of dehumanization. In comparison to say words like "vermin" that still express an overt sense of dehumanization.

 

So again, I agree it's much more effective for advocating the end of the attempted cultural genocide of the Palestinians by Israeli nationalists and fascists to have a heightened sense of tact in our verbiage, I also fail to be moved by claims of offense by users who are objectively white supremacists like @Selaphiel who has previously framed Arabs as monsters and animals and mongrels ~invading~ Europe to *DESTROY* it and its values. 

 

We know said user is a white supremacist  acting in bad faith because not even 24 hours ago they were arguing that far-right, very homophobic countries like Poland and Hungary (Poland literally has no-go zones for LGBT people!!! ) were apparently "safer" for gay people than *checks notes* LONDON (?) or BERLIN (?) because uhh Poland is 98% white and Western Europe is getting browner?

 

 

Arguing that the safety of a country is equal to how white said country is.. what do we call that? 

 

Again, the Zionist perspective is an inherently nationalist and thus supremacist one.

quoting for visibility. 

[ZIVERT]

12 minutes ago, Jjang said:

the faux outrage. 

 

never once in my life have I heard of that trope and neither am I German. I am Palestinian. living under the apartheid system you passionately defend. I called Noah a RAT because he looks like a rat. not because he is Jewish but because to me he is a rat just like the countless people I called rats for years on this site without any faux outrage from literal apartheid fanatics who last week were literally championing apartheid  but no calling someone a rat, literally one of the most common insults used here, is suddenly a Nazi trope in ATRL context. you’re despicable. 

 

once again I’m dumbfounded by how insincere, manipulative and frankly insensitive yall have become and how delusionaly far you’re willing to reach just to delay the conversation furthermore. 

 

you know its bad when every single antisemitic accusation (and I counted at least 8 in this thread alone) has backfired so your last resort is pretending like calling a white twink a hairless rat is now close to being the second Hitler. delulu. 

 

I don’t believe your outrage for a second. 

The bad faith argument  the context of randomly calling a pop girl a rat in a stan war argument vs. calling a Jewish kid in Israel a rat when discussing Israel/Palestine couldn’t possibly be farther apart. There are many valid arguments about the oppression of Palestinians, but resorting to anti-Semitic dogwhistles is just gutter level, disgusting rhetoric.
 

“I’m Palestinian, I can call them rats” is not the argument you think it is…

 

[Jjang]

29 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

The bad faith argument  the context of randomly calling a pop girl a rat in a stan war argument vs. calling a Jewish kid in Israel a rat when discussing Israel/Palestine couldn’t possibly be farther apart. There are many valid arguments about the oppression of Palestinians, but resorting to anti-Semitic dogwhistles is just gutter level, disgusting rhetoric.
 

“I’m Palestinian, I can call them rats” is not the argument you think it is…

 

except I didn’t call Jewish people rats.

 

and trust me I had countless opportunities here where I could have called members here rats but I didn’t so if scheming a rat nazi joke was my intention I would have dropped that bomb looooooong ago. but the fact of the matter remains I called Noah a rat because that white twink looks like a ******* hairless rat to me. completely detached from any other concept beside him visually looking like a rat to me. and I’m not taking that back because you decided to cling to his Jewish identity and make me the next Hitler for something otherwise completely harmless. 

 

I wasn’t even the one who brought up his looks. It was one of your circle jerk friends who came to this thread exclusively to berate Palestinians living under apartheid by calling him “sexy” and leave only to pretend like they have an ounce of morals and are deeply offended by an ATRL twink - rat joke. 

 

and you know what’s furthermore funny? alluding Palestinians to terrorists or Hamas is a deeply anti-Palestinian trope that is still actively and systematically affecting millions of Palestinian lives yet every single person calling me antisemitic right now (including you) have all proudly and loudly used that trope on multiple occasions without any remorse and still use it to this very day to defend the Zionist nature of Israeli policies. 

 

So again, like @Communionsaid. I’m not gonna save my sympathy for people who ultimately see my oppression as “necessary evil” in their own twisted mines and have spouted more anti-Palestinian tropes than Netanyahu only to come lecture about a ******* rat comment on a gay pop culture forum. 

 

I apologize however if the rat comment otherwise hurt other Jewish members lurking this thread, those weren’t my intentions. You, however, and the likes of you, get none of my apologies. delulu. 

Edited August 16, 2023 by Jjang

[Selaphiel]

22 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

The bad faith argument  the context of randomly calling a pop girl a rat in a stan war argument vs. calling a Jewish kid in Israel a rat when discussing Israel/Palestine couldn’t possibly be farther apart. There are many valid arguments about the oppression of Palestinians, but resorting to anti-Semitic dogwhistles is just gutter level, disgusting rhetoric.
 

“I’m Palestinian, I can call them rats” is not the argument you think it is…

 

Yes. Calling a Jewish person a rat is equivalent to calling a black person a monkey. That user uses the fact that he’s Palestinian to be openly antisemitic and avoid being called out, and other users like @Communionenable him. They talk as if antisemitism in Palestinian society is nothing to worry about, when it’s quite frankly one of the main issues preventing peace.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Selaphiel

[Jjang]

1 minute ago, Selaphiel said:

Yes. Calling a Jewish person a rat is equivalent to calling a black person a monkey. That user uses the fact that he’s Palestinian to be openly antisemitic and avoid being called out, and other users like @Communionenable him. They talk as if antisemitism in Palestinian society is nothing to worry about, when it’s white frankly one of the main issues preventing peace.

… said the person who was literally ecstatic a new apartheid Jewish supremacist law was passed last week only to retract when they realized they were preaching to the wrong community of people. 

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, Selaphiel said:

Yes. Calling a Jewish person a rat is equivalent to calling a black person a monkey. That user uses the fact that he’s Palestinian to be openly antisemitic and avoid being called out, and other users like @Communionenable him. They talk as if antisemitism in Palestinian society is nothing to worry about, when it’s quite frankly one of the main issues preventing peace.

You're a white supremacist who pushes the great replacement theory that Arabs are invading Europe as a defacto genocide of the white race while running cover for and romanticizing far-right leaders in Eastern Europe who are not only virulently racist but also homophobic and ironically deeply antisemitic. We are meant to think you care deeply about Jewish people while downplaying the violence of ethnic minorities like Jewish people still experienced in Poland today? You do not have the right to mention me and you should refrain from doing so going forward. 

[ZIVERT]

4 minutes ago, Jjang said:

except I didn’t call Jewish people rats.

 

and trust me I had countless opportunities here where I could have called members here rats but I didn’t so if scheming a rat nazi joke was my intention I would have dropped that bomb looooooong ago. but the fact of the matter remains I called Noah a rat because that white twink looks like a ******* hairless rat to me. completely detached from any other concept beside him visually looking like a rat to me. and I’m not taking that back because you decided to cling to his Jewish identity and make me the next Hitler for something otherwise completely harmless. 

 

I wasn’t even the one who brought up his looks. It was one of your circle jerk friends who came to this thread exclusively to berate Palestinians living under apartheid by calling him “sexy” and leave only to pretend like they have an ounce of morals and are deeply offended by an ATRL twink - rat joke. 

 

and you know what’s furthermore funny? alluding Palestinians to terrorists or Hamas is a deeply anti-Palestinian trope that is still actively and systematically affecting millions of Palestinian lives yet every single person calling me antisemitic right now (including you) have all proudly and loudly used that trope on multiple occasions without any remorse and still use it to this very day to defend the Zionist nature of Israeli policies. 

 

So again, like @Communionsaid. I’m not gonna save my sympathy for people who are ultimately see my oppression as “necessary evil” in their own twisted mines and have spouted more anti-Palestinian tropes than Netanyahu only to come lecture about a ******* rat comment on a gay pop culture forum. 

 

I apologize however if the rat comment otherwise hurt other Jewish members lurking this thread, those weren’t my intentions. You, however, and the likes of you, get none of my apologies. delulu. 

The mudslinging to deflect  I can’t speak for others, but I have never alluded to “all Palestinians being terrorists/Hamas supporters.” Have I called out the glorification of Palestinians that were terrorists? Probably. But I have also called out terrorism on the Jewish side too. Not that I have to defend my character to people like you, but I actually have morals and believe in a just peace for both sides. I literally spent my summer volunteering with both Israeli and Palestinian students in both countries  But there isn’t any point in engaging with ThE LiKeS oF yOu because you don’t engage from a place of good faith and don’t seek any realistic solutions. Apologizing to only some Jewish people (the ones who might agree with you), but not others, is not a genuine apology. Anti-Semitism is anti-Semitism. 

[Jjang]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

You're a white supremacist who pushes the great replacement theory that Arabs are invading Europe as a defacto genocide of the white race while running cover for and romanticizing far-right leaders in Eastern Europe who are not only virulently racist but also homophobic and ironically deeply antisemitic. We are meant to think you care deeply about Jewish people while downplaying the violence of ethnic minorities like Jewish people still experienced in Poland today? You do not have the right to mention me and you should refrain from doing so going forward. 

literally called the ethnic cleansing of a Palestinian population mostly consisting of farmers cultivating the land “anti-imperialist” 

[State of Grace.]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

You're a white supremacist who pushes the great replacement theory that Arabs are invading Europe as a defacto genocide of the white race while running cover for and romanticizing far-right leaders in Eastern Europe who are not only virulently racist but also homophobic and ironically deeply antisemitic. We are meant to think you care deeply about Jewish people while downplaying the violence of ethnic minorities like Jewish people still experienced in Poland today? You do not have the right to mention me and you should refrain from doing so going forward. 

[Selaphiel]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

Again, while I or other users can recognize that some topics demand a certain sensitivity - like referenced previously how *I* usually try to avoid comparing Israel to Nazi Germany and find the comparison to Apartheid-era South Africa, Rhodesia, and Jim Crow America much more effective - it's hard to find myself outraged over people making clumsy comments (like Daddy did) while users who are offended are berating a Palestinian living under apartheid.

 

Just as how using Nazism as a reference point for extreme evils is now super common (Godwin's law is literally the name for this adage) in online discourse, comparing someone to a rat is a common insult, largely removed from past ideas of dehumanization. In comparison to say words like "vermin" that still express an overt sense of dehumanization.

 

So again, I agree it's much more effective for advocating the end of the attempted cultural genocide of the Palestinians by Israeli nationalists and fascists to have a heightened sense of tact in our verbiage, I also fail to be moved by claims of offense by users who are objectively white supremacists like @Selaphiel who has previously framed Arabs as monsters and animals and mongrels ~invading~ Europe to *DESTROY* it and its values. 

 

We know said user is a white supremacist  acting in bad faith because not even 24 hours ago they were arguing that far-right, very homophobic countries like Poland and Hungary (Poland literally has no-go zones for LGBT people!!! ) were apparently "safer" for gay people than *checks notes* LONDON (?) or BERLIN (?) because uhh Poland is 98% white and Western Europe is getting browner?

 

 

Arguing that the safety of a country is equal to how white said country is.. what do we call that? 

 

Again, the Zionist perspective is an inherently nationalist and thus supremacist one.

I cannot be a white supremacist, I’m a primary target of white supremacists.  Don’t get it twisted, honey.
 

Yes, I said countries like Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic are safer for LGBTQ people than some areas in Western Europe because you’re more likely to be stabbed for being gay in the latter than in the former, despite the former countries’ homophobic laws.

 

 

 

You’re hateful and antisemitic. I can no longer take you seriously. You have said Israel in its entirety is occupied land and that all Israelis are settlers - and thus legitimate targets for terrorists. You keep making excuses for users calling Noah a Nazi and a rat for simply being a Jewish kid visiting his country and that tells everything one needs to know about you.

[Jjang]

1 hour ago, ZIVERT said:

The mudslinging to deflect  I can’t speak for others, but I have never alluded to “all Palestinians being terrorists/Hamas supporters.” Have I called out the glorification of Palestinians that were terrorists? Probably. But I have also called out terrorism on the Jewish side too. Not that I have to defend my character to people like you, but I actually have morals and believe in a just peace for both sides. I literally spent my summer volunteering with both Israeli and Palestinian students in both countries  But there isn’t any point in engaging with ThE LiKeS oF yOu because you don’t engage from a place of good faith and don’t seek any realistic solutions. Apologizing to only some Jewish people (the ones who might agree with you), but not others, is not a genuine apology. Anti-Semitism is anti-Semitism. 

You're a liberal Zionist who believes in the mythical idea of a two-state solution. We've had plenty of arguments in the past where you ultimately justified Zionism despite its real-life ramifications and ultimately view the creation of Israel at the expense of Palestinians as a "necessary evil" or something that had to happen because x y z. You were even literally one of the members who subscribed to the idea that a Palestinian terrorist killed Shireen Abu Akleh until investigations happened and the truth came out. You don't believe Israel should be banned at the Eurovision yet dragged Russia (deservedly) to the moon and back when they were banned. In short: I think you're a hypocrite. and the fact that you're desperate enough to attempt to "take me down" by pretending like me calling white hairless twink noah a rat is suddenly an intentional Nazi insult is ... like I said... desperate. 

 

As for you trying to prove you don't have a racist issue by saying you volunteered or whatnot: Palestine and Israel is not an individual issue of a Palestinian just being individually racist towards a Jew or a Jew being individually racist to a Palestinian, surely, that's part of the issue - but the real issue is that there's a system that needs to be dismantled (an idea you don't seem to support) because it favors one people over a different group of people. So I'm happy volunteering makes you feel less guilty and like a white savior. It's not about whether you feel disdain when you see a Palestinian or vice versa, it's about the system evolving the two parties and how you think that system needs to operate. Maybe that's where our misunderstanding lies in. That's why when people accuse me being of antisemitic its so alien to me because I quite literally do not think in those terms because my occupiers being Jewish is literally the last of my concern... my concern is that there's an occupier. 

 

and no I'm not apologizing to you not because you're someone who doesn't fully agree with me, but because you're someone fully willing to watch a group of people (who literally admitted to being pro-apartheid, how many times do we need to repeat this?) berate Palestinians or pro-Palestinians in this extremely sensitive conversation only to turn the blind eye and add on their momentum by pretending like calling a twink a rat is suddenly the major issue in a literal sea of outrageously and openly racist members circle jerk. it just comes off as ingenuine and as a "payback" for me being unapologetic about my views on Zionism and your relentless projection of me being antisemitic. I have never once in my life subscribed to an ideology or a set system of beliefs that systemically degrade Jewish people but the vast majority of people calling me out for a twink-rat joke here have indeed subscribed to such ideologies when it comes to Palestinians yet with absolutely 0 remorse or care of coming off as anti-Palestinian. Yet here we are. a twink rat joke is what tipped you off not a bunch of people undermining ethnic cleansing and apartheid as its actively happening.

 

In case you forgot, my entire life has been lived and shared alongside Jewish people. I don't need to "volunteer" to prove my willingness to co-exist amongst Jewish communities, nor do I have to drop sob stories (like during the Mount Carmel Forest fires my family in Haifa opening their homes to Jewish victims...) so I can re-assure you I'm not antisemitic. I know I'm not. so again, my comment was about Noah's appearance as it was literally a reply to someone commenting on his appearance, which has nothing to do with him being Jewish.  think anyone with a sober view can see I meant to take a jab at Noah's looks and not his Jewish identity, including you  but you're more than happy to participate in this "HeS AntISemiTic" defense mechanism to deflect from quite literally everything. 

Edited August 16, 2023 by Jjang

[ZIVERT]

5 minutes ago, Jjang said:

You're a liberal Zionist who believes in the mythical idea of a two-state solution. We've had plenty of arguments in the past where you ultimately justified Zionism despite its real-life ramifications and ultimately view the creation of Israel at the expense of Palestinians as a "necessary evil" or something that had to happen because x y z. You were even literally one of the members who subscribed to the idea that a Palestinian terrorist killed Shireen Abu Akleh until investigations happened and the truth came out. You don't believe Israel should be banned at the Eurovision yet dragged Russia (deservedly) to the moon and back when they were banned. In short: I think you're a hypocrite. and the fact that you're desperate enough to attempt to "take me down" by pretending like me calling white hairless twink noah a rat is suddenly an intentional Nazi insult is ... like I said... desperate. 

 

As for you trying to prove you don't have a racist issue by saying you volunteered or whatnot: Palestine and Israel is not an individual issue of a Palestinian just being individually racist towards a Jew or a Jew being individually racist to a Palestinian, surely, that's part of the issue - but the real issue is that there's a system that needs to be dismantled (an idea you don't seem to support) because it favors one people over a different group of people. So I'm happy volunteering makes you feel less guilty and like a white savior. It's not about whether you feel disdain when you see a Palestinian or vice versa, it's about the system evolving the two parties and how you think that system needs to operate. Maybe that's where our misunderstanding lies in. That's why when people accuse me being of antisemitic its so alien to me because I quite literally do not think in those terms because my occupiers being Jewish is literally the last of my concern... my concern is that there's an occupier. 

 

and no I'm not apologizing to you not because you're someone who doesn't fully agree with me, but because you're someone fully willing to watch a group of people (who literally admitted to being pro-apartheid, how many times do we need to repeat this?) berate Palestinians or pro-Palestinians in this extremely sensitive conversation only to turn the blind eye and pretend like calling a twink a rat is suddenly the major issue in a literal sea of outrageously and openly racist members circle jerk. it just comes off as ingenuine and as a "payback" for me being unapologetic about my views on Zionism and your relentless projection of me being antisemitic. I have never once in my life subscribed to an ideology or a set system of beliefs that systemically degrade Jewish people but the vast majority of people calling me out for a twink-rat joke here have indeed subscribed to such ideologies when it comes to Palestinians yet with absolutely 0 remorse or care of coming off as anti-Palestinian. Yet here we are. a twink rat joke is what tipped you off not a bunch of people undermining ethnic cleansing and apartheid as its actively happening.

 

In case you forgot, my entire life has been lived and shared alongside Jewish people. I don't need to "volunteer" to prove my willingness to co-exist amongst Jewish communities, nor do I have to drop sob stories (like during the Mount Carmel Forest fires my family in Haifa opening their homes to Jewish victims...) so I can re-assure you I'm not antisemitic. I know I'm not. so again, my comment was about Noah's appearance as it was literally a reply to someone commenting on his appearance, which has nothing to do with him being Jewish.  think anyone with a sober view can see I meant to take a jab at Noah's looks and not his Jewish identity, including you  but you're more than happy to participate in this "HeS AntISemiTic" defense mechanism to deflect from quite literally everything. 

My comment was honestly not supposed to be a “gotcha moment,” but the rat comment (especially with the prior context of the discussion) genuinely is anti-Semitic, which was alarming to me. I can’t speak for other members here, only me. Maybe I jumped the gun. If you say you’re not anti-Semitic, then I believe you, in the same way I want you to believe me when I say I’m not anti-Palestinian. I don’t agree with your framing of Zionism as being incompatible with wanting and aspiring for liberation for Palestinians, and I guess that’s something we’ll never agree on. But I do hear your perspective, and other Palestinian perspectives, and am constantly learning and evolving my point of view on the conflict. Do I believe in there being a Jewish state? Yes. Do I believe in the way the Jewish state operates in its current form? No. Which I know in your perspective is problematic and wrong, which is where there is a disconnect.

 

It would be nice to have an open, honest conversation about the conflict outside the ATRL context of everyone arguing out of pettiness, but I also recognize that it’s impossible to separate the emotional aspect and personal relationship with the conflict. And ultimately, how exhausting it is to put in the emotional labor to discuss it. But going forward, at least from my side, I want to strip away any toxicity from future conversations I participate in about Israel and Palestine. My engagements are always in good faith, and I want it to be perceived that way, too. That’s all I have to say for now 

[Selaphiel]

28 minutes ago, Jjang said:

You're a liberal Zionist who believes in the mythical idea of a two-state solution. We've had plenty of arguments in the past where you ultimately justified Zionism despite its real-life ramifications and ultimately view the creation of Israel at the expense of Palestinians as a "necessary evil" or something that had to happen because x y z. You were even literally one of the members who subscribed to the idea that a Palestinian terrorist killed Shireen Abu Akleh until investigations happened and the truth came out. You don't believe Israel should be banned at the Eurovision yet dragged Russia (deservedly) to the moon and back when they were banned. In short: I think you're a hypocrite. and the fact that you're desperate enough to attempt to "take me down" by pretending like me calling white hairless twink noah a rat is suddenly an intentional Nazi insult is ... like I said... desperate. 

 

As for you trying to prove you don't have a racist issue by saying you volunteered or whatnot: Palestine and Israel is not an individual issue of a Palestinian just being individually racist towards a Jew or a Jew being individually racist to a Palestinian, surely, that's part of the issue - but the real issue is that there's a system that needs to be dismantled (an idea you don't seem to support) because it favors one people over a different group of people. So I'm happy volunteering makes you feel less guilty and like a white savior. It's not about whether you feel disdain when you see a Palestinian or vice versa, it's about the system evolving the two parties and how you think that system needs to operate. Maybe that's where our misunderstanding lies in. That's why when people accuse me being of antisemitic its so alien to me because I quite literally do not think in those terms because my occupiers being Jewish is literally the last of my concern... my concern is that there's an occupier. 

 

and no I'm not apologizing to you not because you're someone who doesn't fully agree with me, but because you're someone fully willing to watch a group of people (who literally admitted to being pro-apartheid, how many times do we need to repeat this?) berate Palestinians or pro-Palestinians in this extremely sensitive conversation only to turn the blind eye and add on their momentum by pretending like calling a twink a rat is suddenly the major issue in a literal sea of outrageously and openly racist members circle jerk. it just comes off as ingenuine and as a "payback" for me being unapologetic about my views on Zionism and your relentless projection of me being antisemitic. I have never once in my life subscribed to an ideology or a set system of beliefs that systemically degrade Jewish people but the vast majority of people calling me out for a twink-rat joke here have indeed subscribed to such ideologies when it comes to Palestinians yet with absolutely 0 remorse or care of coming off as anti-Palestinian. Yet here we are. a twink rat joke is what tipped you off not a bunch of people undermining ethnic cleansing and apartheid as its actively happening.

 

In case you forgot, my entire life has been lived and shared alongside Jewish people. I don't need to "volunteer" to prove my willingness to co-exist amongst Jewish communities, nor do I have to drop sob stories (like during the Mount Carmel Forest fires my family in Haifa opening their homes to Jewish victims...) so I can re-assure you I'm not antisemitic. I know I'm not. so again, my comment was about Noah's appearance as it was literally a reply to someone commenting on his appearance, which has nothing to do with him being Jewish.  think anyone with a sober view can see I meant to take a jab at Noah's looks and not his Jewish identity, including you  but you're more than happy to participate in this "HeS AntISemiTic" defense mechanism to deflect from quite literally everything. 

So you’re an Israeli Arab and not a Palestinian national? It’s one thing to claim Palestinians in Judea and Samaria/West Bank live under ‘apartheid’, but to claim so for Israeli Arabs is completely dishonest. The Israeli Arab population (20% of Israel) have full and equal rights. They are represented in the Knesset, they can serve in the military, they are over represented in universities and certain professions like doctors. They overall have a much higher quality of life and freedom than their counterparts in Arab countries. Also, the overwhelmingly majority of Israeli Arabs according to polls would not want to become a Palestinian national in a future Palestinian state, but rather remain an Israeli citizen due to their high degree of freedom and prosperity.

[JungleJuice]

Just gave Noah a follow. I am perched for him to post recent armpit pix soon 🙋🏻‍♂️

[If U Seek Amy]

21 hours ago, Jjang said:

it's serving a UN "we are very concerned" letter 

 

but who are you, to repeatedly tell a Palestinian that is actively living through this that they're not doing anything beneficial or to ridicule me by continuously telling me to "just log off and stop being chronically online" ?  if Palestinians are all collectively saying that any celebrity white washing what's going on is problematic to them (this time it just happened to fall on Noah) then by any means their opinions are automatically valid because you're not the one living under constant oppression. If they say it's important to point these things out then you have absolutely no right to come and ridicule that. Contrary to what they tricked you to believe, this thread is not about Noah but about the moral dangers of this kind of social media activity when it comes to the Palestinian cause and it's 100% valid - it just happened that the same racists who proudly champion apartheid in other threads weaponized anti-Semitism in this thread by clinging to his Jewish identity. Again - this thread is not about Noah as a person. I dragged my own fave for even lesser reasons and I stated so in this thread. 

 

again, this sums it all up - https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLbC1bkd/ 

 

and again, you quite literally know nothing about my life or what I do yet you felt more than free to make your own set of assumptions. Just like you assumed I don't do anything about this cause (that directly affects my daily life) offline. what do you want me to do, go tell the nice soldier to go home?

 

Literally 95% of the people I called racist here were at one point or other clearly outed as such on this very same site. Sorry if sometimes I throw that word to loosely but it's literally evident that these people are racist. Contemporary racists literally exist and there's plenty of them here too. but I do think for someone who classifies themselves as pro-Palestinian you've done nothing but bury their voices and amplify their ridiculers'. So I don't know, maybe review the context of everything happening in this thread and come to a conclusion to what's actually important? It's not about arrogantly scolding Palestinians about "what actually matters" though! what are you doing for this cause, btw? 

 

and finally, if dozens of members approached me and personally told me they were educated by my posts here then by all means that is spreading awareness even if it's the most minimal contribution. Who are you to dismiss that? 

 

DOZENS of members have approached you to personally say they were educated yeah sure Jan. 

 

And it is telling you are doing nothing for the because because you are literally in this thread day and night fighting with EVERYONE lmaoooo. And can we get a list of things you have done besides be a keyboard warrior online? I mean if you have done so much besides that I would think you would be able to back that up

[Aethereal]

4 hours ago, Communion said:

Again, while I or other users can recognize that some topics demand a certain sensitivity - like referenced previously how *I* usually try to avoid comparing Israel to Nazi Germany and find the comparison to Apartheid-era South Africa, Rhodesia, and Jim Crow America much more effective - it's hard to find myself outraged over people making clumsy comments (like Daddy did) while users who are offended are berating a Palestinian living under apartheid.

 

Just as how using Nazism as a reference point for extreme evils is now super common (Godwin's law is literally the name for this adage) in online discourse, comparing someone to a rat is a common insult, largely removed from past ideas of dehumanization. In comparison to say words like "vermin" that still express an overt sense of dehumanization.

 

So again, I agree it's much more effective for advocating the end of the attempted cultural genocide of the Palestinians by Israeli nationalists and fascists to have a heightened sense of tact in our verbiage, I also fail to be moved by claims of offense by users who are objectively white supremacists like @Selaphiel who has previously framed Arabs as monsters and animals and mongrels ~invading~ Europe to *DESTROY* it and its values. 

 

We know said user is a white supremacist  acting in bad faith because not even 24 hours ago they were arguing that far-right, very homophobic countries like Poland and Hungary (Poland literally has no-go zones for LGBT people!!! ) were apparently "safer" for gay people than *checks notes* LONDON (?) or BERLIN (?) because uhh Poland is 98% white and Western Europe is getting browner?

 

 

Arguing that the safety of a country is equal to how white said country is.. what do we call that? 

 

Again, the Zionist perspective is an inherently nationalist and thus supremacist one.

Israel is treating Palestinians worse than Black South Africans were treated in the Apartheid. At least Black people were not getting bombed and killed like Palestinians are. 

Edited August 16, 2023 by Aristotle

[Headlock]

On 8/15/2023 at 11:07 AM, If U Seek Amy said:

you’re emotional I get it,

 

 

This is so insanely flippant and condescending to say to a literal Palestinian member about the apartheid in Israel, holy ****