discussion SAG strike | SAG-AFTRA Reaches Tentative Agreement With Studios

[Mystic Warrior]

On 9/27/2023 at 10:53 PM, Mystic Warrior said:

SAG will officially resume negotiations beginning Monday. I bet they’ll have their agreement by the end of next week. 

I miss when I was hopeful. 😭 Studio execs are trash and deserve nothing. They leech off the real creatives. 

[mystery]

7 minutes ago, Mystic Warrior said:

I miss when I was hopeful. 😭 Studio execs are trash and deserve nothing. They leech off the real creatives. 

First I was panicking that Dune was delayed for no reason but now it looks like they knew it would carry on until then.

[Mr. Duff]

So it is over? What will happen now? I feel so bad for the SAG members, they don't deserve this  

[Almodusa]

 

[EnigmaticAndroid]

1 hour ago, AbeHicks said:

They already gave the writers everything they wanted. There is not an endless amount of money. Maybe the actors have to take one for the team here.

They actually didn't. The writers had demands that the actors don't, such as mandates for writers rooms, and they were willing to negotiate a meh deal that got them specific things. Revenue sharing was one of the things that AMPTP "won" on in the WGA deal.

 

Anyway, actors, and every other worker in America, shouldn't have to "take one for the team" during a strike. We all know that means expecting them to drop their legitimate concerns to bend to the will of big tech and streaming CEOs. And considering that boutique companies that are bleeding money, such as A24, were able to automatically meet their demands, one has to wonder why it's "not financially possible" for companies with billions more to do the same.

Edited October 12, 2023 by EnigmaticAndroid

[Europe]

15 minutes ago, EnigmaticAndroid said:

They actually didn't. The writers had demands that the actors don't, such as mandates for writers rooms, and they were willing to negotiate a meh deal that got them specific things. Revenue sharing was one of the things that AMPTP "won" on in the WGA deal.

 

Anyway, actors, and every other worker in America, shouldn't have to "take one for the team" during a strike. We all know that means expecting them to drop their legitimate concerns to bend to the will of big tech and streaming CEOs. And considering that boutique companies that are bleeding money, such as A24, were able to automatically meet their demands, one has to wonder why it's "not financially possible" for companies with billions more to do the same.

Acting is not like every other job. It is not essential in the least like nursing or teaching or electrical maintenance. And there are a hundreds of applications for each role, it is a highly sought after position / dream of many people to be a professional actor. Therefore there is no reason to give more pay from a business standpoint. If person A doesn't want to do a role, there will be 100 other applicants ready and willing to take his place.

[DAP]

1 hour ago, AbeHicks said:

They already gave the writers everything they wanted. There is not an endless amount of money. Maybe the actors have to take one for the team here.

Doesn’t have to be an endless amount of money. $1.4 billion between the five big studio CEOs is more than enough.

 

[harwee]

41 minutes ago, Almodusa said:

 

 

 

Hopefully a start for more regulations.

 

 

[Mystic Warrior]

1 hour ago, mystery said:

First I was panicking that Dune was delayed for no reason but now it looks like they knew it would carry on until then.

Yup, from the way industry insiders are talking, it sounds like they’ll push it to the end of the year for tax write-off purposes. Just another example of their greed, if true. 

[Headlock]

1 hour ago, AbeHicks said:

Acting is not like every other job. It is not essential in the least like nursing or teaching or electrical maintenance. And there are a hundreds of applications for each role, it is a highly sought after position / dream of many people to be a professional actor. Therefore there is no reason to give more pay from a business standpoint. If person A doesn't want to do a role, there will be 100 other applicants ready and willing to take his place.

So acting should no longer be a sustainable job that people can live off of? Because that is what you are suggesting.

[Mystic Warrior]

1 hour ago, AbeHicks said:

Acting is not like every other job. It is not essential in the least like nursing or teaching or electrical maintenance. And there are a hundreds of applications for each role, it is a highly sought after position / dream of many people to be a professional actor. Therefore there is no reason to give more pay from a business standpoint. If person A doesn't want to do a role, there will be 100 other applicants ready and willing to take his place.

This is such disgusting logic. “For every person who is smart enough to not have their worth taken advantage of, there is someone naive enough to allow it.” 
 

 

[DAP]

 

 

[DAP]

2 hours ago, AbeHicks said:

Acting is not like every other job. It is not essential in the least like nursing or teaching or electrical maintenance. And there are a hundreds of applications for each role, it is a highly sought after position / dream of many people to be a professional actor. Therefore there is no reason to give more pay from a business standpoint. If person A doesn't want to do a role, there will be 100 other applicants ready and willing to take his place.

That is semantics and you arguing semantics will not change the fact that acting/the arts are still jobs that A) people sustain their livelihoods with and B) should guarantee rights/protection/autonomy for workers from their employers’ exploitation (like for any other profession).

Edited October 12, 2023 by DAP

[Harmonizer]

3 hours ago, AbeHicks said:

They already gave the writers everything they wanted. There is not an endless amount of money. Maybe the actors have to take one for the team here.

So, before streaming actors got paid when a show aired through Syndication. Now that no one watches TV anymore/streaming services do not pay actors royalty, a lot of them can't afford to live. Most actors do not make a killing, and 2% is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

Streaming isn't profitable. The amount of investing that has went into it, when most are just canceling all of their shows due to not having money. So it's not like "making the sacrifice" will stop the price increases for the customer's. It's corporate greed, and I don't think their demands of being protected against AI are unreasonable because that is going to be a whole other mess soon.

[DAP]

[Harmonizer]

13 hours ago, DAP said:

That is terrifying and doesn't even look good??

[okgo]

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/fran-drescher-today-sag-aftra-rcna120245

 

“We made big moves in their direction that have just been ignored and not responded to,” Duncan Crabtree-Ireland, the national executive director and chief negotiator for the Screen Actors Guild-American Federation of Television and Radio Artists had resumed negotiations, told The Associated Press on a Los Angeles picket line Thursday. “We’re not going to find a solution to this if they just leave and don’t talk to us.”

“We went into those rooms with our own open mind and a goal of establishing a dialogue with those CEOs. We were very happy they were there because here are ultimate decision-makers who have the power to say yes,” Crabtree-Ireland said. “We gave them a full set of counterproposals yesterday. We made changes to our AI proposal. We made dramatic changes to what used to be our streaming revenue share proposal. We took it out of revenue share completely at their insistence.”

“There is a laundry list of gaslighting that’s going on in the way this is being communicated by them,” Crabtree-Ireland said. “It’s not how you treat someone with respect in negotiations. It’s pressure tactics and bullying.”

“Whatever differences we have are only going to get resolved by talking to each other,” Crabtree-Ireland said. “We’re ready. We’re at the table. All they have to do is come back.”

https://apnews.com/article/actors-strike-talks-suspended-hollywood-writers-06c035134a1f3b8b8d0531ed247557cb

 

[Antonini]

I wonder how much of them being comfortable to walk out has to do with the fact that Newsom vetoed the assurance to striking actors/writers? It still hadn’t reached his desk when the writers got their deal done. Maybe that spooked the studios into signing a deal but now that they know they can starve the actors they don’t care anymore? 🧐

[mystery]

 

[DAP]

 

 

[okgo]

 

well

 

update:

 

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by okgo

[DAP]

Their greed is boundless 

[Eóghan]

17 minutes ago, DAP said:

Their greed is boundless 

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The studios are worried that if they do not get a deal in the next week to 10 days, they will have to delay more summer blockbusters and scrap the 2023-24 scripted TV season.

 

scrap them 

[okgo]

 

[CosTaSsSs]

This is today right? or next week? lol