xfreshkidxx Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 I'm confused by some of the comments in here as if SFG wasnt #1 on the streaming charts, Princess Diana #4 and Barbie World is currently stable asf in streams. So Nicki will be fine. Theres others that should be worried more than she. 1 1
cockatoo Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Wasn't there doubt that artists were reporting their website sales accurately? People can still buy from verified retailers like iTunes and Amazon so I'm happy with this decision
FOCK Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Gaia said: It’s not stupid. Artists with large fanbases have abused it for years to get #1 or high debut weeks for singles. Website sales are consistently heavily filtered though, I’d say enough to ultimately be inconsequential. The bulk of digital sales that are counted still come from platforms like iTunes & Amazon. Imo if they’re going to do this, they may as well just remove digital sales from Billboard’s chart count completely & stick to physical sales, streaming and radio. Who is purchasing music in 2023 aside from dedicated stans? Regardless of which platform they’re being bought on, they can all be played. So what’s the difference? Just that apple & Amazon don’t get a cut? Also, Billboard isn’t the only chart that matters, they’ve been messy and inconsistent for years now & I don’t think it helps their reputation to hinder an artists base of support, not to mention those that incentivise website visits to sell merch items, advertise tour info etc. Edited June 30, 2023 by FOCK
Lovett Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Punky Rooster said: Another ridiculous nail in this now irrelevant charts coffin. buy a track it doesn’t count, stream 30 seconds of it on mute, it counts No, it doesn't. They already filter out the fraudulent streams. Now they're filtering out the fraudulent sales.
OrgVisual Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 44 minutes ago, Material Girl said: they still count radio and no one listens to that i think they should limit how many sales count per person but it really doesn’t make sense not to count sales from one website but will count sales from another That's simply not true
FOCK Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sept said: That's simply not true Radio is passive consumption, generally devoid of choice. You turn it on & you get what you’re given. It’s designed to appease advertisers that keep it afloat. Not only that, but it rewards mediocrity. Get a camp to write a catchy hook or jingle that’s fairly non-offensive to advertisers on your platform & soccer mums with their kids in the backseat & there you go. Also, don’t age, cos misogyny. Also, suck up to radio hosts & convince your label to pay to play. Also, be white. The act of turning on a radio should not outweigh a decision made with intent to purchase or stream. Billboard has trended more and more to be anti-consumer. 4
Baltie Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 3 hours ago, drivers license said: what y’all not getting is that it was a valid way for music consumption, until artists ABUSED it. this is only fair. who actually cares about those digitally signed mp3’s with 5 different covers other than chart obsessed fans. it’s such bullshit i’m glad billboard sees it This. People getting mad at Billboard for constantly changing the rules when obsessed fanbases (and artists) constantly find loopholes to manipulate the charts to get a #1 that mostly last for one week. The Hot 100 has become tarnished because of that and now that Billboard are trying to fix themselves, suddenly people are screaming that charts are irrelevant 2
Raspberries Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, TrieLz said: Billboard afraid if another members from BTS debut at #1 on bbh100, so they changed the rules just in time when Jungkook’s announce his debut lead single on July, 14th They want to get ahead of the fraud and make sure 400 fans buying 250 copies each with crowdfunded money from overseas doesn't have the power to change what the #1 song in the country is
Steve Johnson Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 43 minutes ago, Margaux said: this would finally let t swift rest from releasing countless remix and rehash of the same song 1
Likingstars Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, FOCK said: Radio is passive consumption, generally devoid of choice. You turn it on & you get what you’re given. It’s designed to appease advertisers that keep it afloat. Not only that, but it rewards mediocrity. Get a camp to write a catchy hook or jingle that’s fairly non-offensive You are describing almost every pop girl career thinking you’re making a point 2
barbiegrande Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Barbz know how to adapt to the chart rules, we’ll be fine. Its the lazy fanbases that need to worry
HEAVYONIT Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, barbiegrande said: Barbz know how to adapt to the chart rules, we’ll be fine. Its the lazy fanbases that need to worry Literally this. The Barbz will be making multiple iTunes/Amazon accounts. Chart manipulation always has and always will exist. If there's a will, there's a way. 1
Queen. Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 7 hours ago, #Beautiful said: people were making fundraisers on twitter in order to fraudulently mass buy songs on release week. no one was actually consuming the song from the files. so no, it hasnt been a valid way to consider music consumption since like... 2015 when streaming kicked in I really think twitter and mega fan bases for the blame and not really billboard. 1
slw84 Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Mess at people talking about multiple accounts... It's easier for them to filter fake streams and also fake sales with multiple accounts, especially from Itunes. The store numbers take longer to filter through since shipments add one more process. At least it'll still count towards RIAA.
Katamari Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 8 hours ago, Raspberries said: BTS are OVER over, huh? Poor Nicki and the Barbz tho oop poor army and refran
Bey'Knight Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 8 hours ago, SleepNoMore said: What is the reason for this? I understand why bundles stopped counting but if you’re actually buying a song itself who cares if it’s from the artists website. A song purchase should count regardless of whether it’s from a website or iTunes or wherever. I don’t get this at all. No one’s stopping you from buying from a webstore. Billboard is a private entity. They don’t have to include it. The chart system is not meritocratic.
Bey'Knight Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 5 hours ago, FOCK said: Imagine thinking this change is based on any type of chart “integrity” I could sell y’all a box of hair. This change, as well as every recent major change Billboard has enacted, is purely a push by streaming giants, radio and labels to have more control & sway over chart manipulation, payola & playlisting/radio deals. They cannot compete with the clear support of consumers. In this manner, they’re dictating to you what you should like and support, scraping even more profits from an artist & “guaranteeing” them numbers in exchange for deals that leave them worse off. Was their mass buying? Yes, durr. But that is a greater indication of support/demand than being force fed paid placements on radio (a dying platform) & playlists. You’re exchanging a metric where manipulation gets mostly filtered out, for one where you can’t even see the manipulation at all. In that case, nothing stops the artists from continuing with it if it was about fan support. You’re implying everyone celebrating this is gullible but we’re supposed to believe multiple digital copies with diff covers was about artist-fan relationship not blatant chart manipulation. Your salesmanship is not sharp enough to sell anyone a box of hair, sir/ma’am.
6_INCH_HEELS Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Look at who's mad. That'll tell you everything you need. BB should have been put a stop to a lot of this fraudulent crap. How you got top 10 "hits" that don't even cross platinum? STANbases need to be mad at themselves and their faves for encouraging them to waste money on accomplishments they can't put on their own resumés. And mass buying is NOT an indicator of a hit song or the GP's liking of a song. What happened to letting songs grow organically?? Your faves put y'all to work FOR THEM, to help them get richer, so YOU can brag online about a chart YOUR name isn't on. Make it make sense. Just enjoy the music, but fans don't know how to do that. 4
ATRL Moderator Azulito Posted June 30, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 30, 2023 I mentioned they should've done this years ago. Glad to see they finally did it
Letemtalk Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Good. Now they can stop counting physical sales as well, because almost no one has a record player, and no new computer or new car has a CD player. 1
pride4jc1222 Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Lil Uzi Vert is destroying Olivia on AM. United States Apple Music Top Songs 83 NEW Olivia Rodrigo - vampire 2 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Flooded The Face 3 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Suicide Doors 4 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Aye (feat. Travis Scott) 7 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Crush Em 13 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Endless Fashion (feat. Nicki Minaj) 14 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - x2 15 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Amped 21 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Spin Again 26 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Died and Came Back 27 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - I Gotta 35 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - That Fiya 36 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Mama, I’m Sorry 42 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - All Alone 45 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Nakamura 47 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Patience (feat. Don Toliver) 53 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Pluto to Mars 62 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - CS 66 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Werewolf (feat. Bring Me The Horizon) 68 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Fire Alarm 69 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Just Wanna Rock 75 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Zoom (Bonus Track) 87 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Days Come and Go 96 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Rehab 155 NEW Lil Uzi Vert - Of Course (Bonus Track) 1
Mastamaind Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) I don't necessarily agree with this, but the system has been abused so this is a measure to that. I respect that they want to release organic charts, though. They haven't been perfect but they're serious about their job so yeah. Artists/bands/acts/singers/groups can still release their work on other certified music sales stores so they have options. Counting sales is totally valid but it's good to play a fair game, that's it. Edited June 30, 2023 by Mastamaind
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