Missing Titanic Submarine Megathread | All Passengers Presumed Dead

[Proseductice]

Rest in peace to those that passed. It wasn't smart to go down there in the first place, but they were still failed. Just tragic. 

 

Another example of history repeating itself because we refuse to learn, and leave things alone. 

[ddddynamite]

14 minutes ago, BeenTheShit said:

What?  There are still going to be tons of movies and documentaries on this.  People's minds went absolutely wild so the possibilities are endless.

Everything about why this happened is pretty obvious and it's all out there tho. There's no mystery about it and the most mysterious part is why they decided to go on this

 

Plus, they didn't even get to the Titanic. Their journey kinda ended before it even started

 

I guess some documentaries lashing the company would be nice.

Edited June 22, 2023 by ddddynamite

[Abracadabra]

While I have a lot of sympathy and compassion for those who have lost their lives and their families, I keep seeing their colleagues saying that the explorers and OceanGate were aware of the risks and knew how dangerous it was, so I can't wrap my head around why it has been made available as a tourist attraction? I understand that there are people who are willing to risk their lives in the aid of research but to make it a tourist expedition that you can buy just makes it seem like something like this was just waiting to happen. I know that all of the passengers were informed of the risks and still chose to go ahead, but it's heartbreaking for that 19 year old guy who probably trusted his father's judgement and assumed it was something that was relatively safe or at least more tried and tested than it really was.

[SoSickOfThatSOL]

16 minutes ago, Speaker Phone said:

Do you tell people with stage 4 cancer "you're likely going to die"?

You actually do though  the patient and family must know this kind of things to make an informed decision. 

[BeenTheShit]

14 minutes ago, ryoncé said:

documentaries maybe..

 

movies ?? hell no. if they were trapped and rescued, it would have been the story of the year and a guaranteed #1 box office smash telling how they fought for survival and then got to make it home to their families. What kind of movie will they make now seeing as it literally imploded and they never got to their destination and all of the searching/hoping was all for nothing. Sounds like the absolute worst movie of all time to me... 

On the contrary...

 

One movie will be based on the true story and what factually happened.  It could detail the lives of the five people leading up to the voyage, the voyage itself, the implosion, rescue efforts/media frenzy, and finally when they find the wreckage plus announce the implosion to the world.  The movie could then end with scenes from a memorial.

 

Another movie will probably be much darker and explore the sub getting stuck in the Titanic's wreck and the fight for survival among the passengers before eventually being rescued.  Only one or two passengers live to tell the tale because they all turned on each other in desperation to survive and conserve resources (food, water, and oxygen).

Edited June 22, 2023 by BeenTheShit

[perfectillusion204]

7 minutes ago, Miichael said:

While I have a lot of sympathy and compassion for those who have lost their lives and their families, I keep seeing their colleagues saying that the explorers and OceanGate were aware of the risks and knew how dangerous it was, so I can't wrap my head around why it has been made available as a tourist attraction? I understand that there are people who are willing to risk their lives in the aid of research but to make it a tourist expedition that you can buy just makes it seem like something like this was just waiting to happen. I know that all of the passengers were informed of the risks and still chose to go ahead, but it's heartbreaking for that 19 year old guy who probably trusted his father's judgement and assumed it was something that was relatively safe or at least more tried and tested than it really was.

Idk if I would necessarily call it a tourist attraction. I don't think you can just sign up online lol. Plus the price is way too high for like 99.9% of the population. You definitely have to know the right people and have connections

[BeenTheShit]

14 minutes ago, ddddynamite said:

Everything about why this happened is pretty obvious and it's all out there tho. There's no mystery about it and the most mysterious part is why they decided to go on this

 

Plus, they didn't even get to the Titanic. Their journey kinda ended before it even started

 

I guess some documentaries lashing the company would be nice.

See this post above.  Directors are going to go absolutely wild with this cultural phenomenon.  The possibilities with this story from both a factual and fictional standpoint are endless.

Edited June 22, 2023 by BeenTheShit
wrong link

[harwee]

Not ATRL already on a screenplay.

 

But I agree there's still a lot of unanswered question. Besides it doesn't have to be a mystery.

 

Titanic didn't have a mystery either, but people went the see the love story and how sad its to watch

how Leo died

 

[State of Grace.]

I just saw this and I feel so awful. This is the actual tragedy here  

 

 

[mystery]

2 minutes ago, harwee said:

Not ATRL already on a screenplay.

 

But I agree there's still a lot of unanswered question. Besides it doesn't have to be a mystery.

 

Titanic didn't have a mystery either, but people went the see the love story and how sad its to watch

  Reveal hidden contents

how Leo died

 

 

It could be more of an investigative movie that showcases the carelessness of the company and its owner. Show the ominous buildup towards the disaster with the clear warning signs and then when the event itself happens switch to the panicked crew on the ship and the search and rescue & eventual investigation.

[halcyonday]

3 hours ago, Jotham said:

Apparently, the son didn't even want to go but decided to go because it was Father's Day and his dad loved the Titanic...

That's heartbreaking. He was so young.

[Bussea]

3 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

I just saw this and I feel so awful. This is the actual tragedy here  

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Espresso said:

And there you have it.

 

They never stood a chance. 

 

Jesus

[mystery]

2 minutes ago, Speaker Phone said:

Yeah, the history of the Titanic is fascinating - it really is the 'perfect disaster' when you think about it. In the sense that a very delicate series of events led to its demise.

 

1) There were not enough lifeboats on board because they were considered visually unappealing when seen from an exterior viewpoint.

2) The ship was going too fast, which they believe is because the officers wanted to arrive a day early (Monday evening instead of Tuesday morning). They would arrive in time to make the next day's newspapers, and this would be great PR.

3) There was a new moon that night, meaning there was no visible moon to light up the iceberg to the lookout crew.

4) The sea was completely still, there were no waves to crash against the iceberg, again making it almost invisible to the eye.

5) They fired one of the lookout crew because he showed up late and was denied boarding. He happened to have the only key to one of the ship's storage lockers, which held the ship's binoculars. He forgot to leave the key behind when he left.

6) When they did spot the iceberg, the First Officer ordered the ship to turn, to avoid it. Good intentions, but because of this decision the ship collided with the iceberg diagonally, and 6 watertight containers were breached. The Titanic could only afford to lose 4 watertight containers. If they had collided with the iceberg head-on, everyone on the ship would have been thrusted forward, no doubt leading to injury/death, and the ship would have been unfit to sail, but it would not have sunk.

7) Though 6 watertight containers were breached, the gashes were actually very small. According to the NYT, "the team found the damage to be astonishingly small -- a series of six thin openings across the Titanic's starboard hull. The total area of the damage appears to be about 12 to 13 square feet, or less than the area of two sidewalk squares. What doomed the ship was the unlucky placement of the six wounds across six watertight holds, the experts say."

So damage that was only two sidewalk squares in size, sunk the Titanic. 

I think it speaks to how fascinating it is just based on the fact that we are talking about it right now and people perished just trying to get a glimpse of the wreck. Even more than a 100 years later Titanic is able to completely take over the public conversation.

[kimbo]

What a sad end to the story, I was hoping for a miracle. And shocked at how tiny and scary that sub is... I knew there were tourist subs taking bored rich people to see the Titanic but I thought it was some luxurious experience when in reality it's just a handful of people crowded in that little thing. RIP.

[NoOneDiesFromLove]

13 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

I just saw this and I feel so awful. This is the actual tragedy here  

 

 

Omg? Hope the father is burning in hell

[kimbo]

5 minutes ago, Speaker Phone said:

Yeah, the history of the Titanic is fascinating - it really is the 'perfect disaster' when you think about it. In the sense that a very delicate series of events led to its demise.

 

1) There were not enough lifeboats on board because they were considered visually unappealing when seen from an exterior viewpoint.

2) The ship was going too fast, which they believe is because the officers wanted to arrive a day early (Monday evening instead of Tuesday morning). They would arrive in time to make the next day's newspapers, and this would be great PR.

3) There was a new moon that night, meaning there was no visible moon to light up the iceberg to the lookout crew.

4) The sea was completely still, there were no waves to crash against the iceberg, again making it almost invisible to the eye.

5) They fired one of the lookout crew because he showed up late and was denied boarding. He happened to have the only key to one of the ship's storage lockers, which held the ship's binoculars. He forgot to leave the key behind when he left.

6) When they did spot the iceberg, the First Officer ordered the ship to turn, to avoid it. Good intentions, but because of this decision the ship collided with the iceberg diagonally, and 6 watertight containers were breached. The Titanic could only afford to lose 4 watertight containers. If they had collided with the iceberg head-on, everyone on the ship would have been thrusted forward, no doubt leading to injury/death, and the ship would have been unfit to sail, but it would not have sunk.

7) Though 6 watertight containers were breached, the gashes were actually very small. According to the NYT, "the team found the damage to be astonishingly small -- a series of six thin openings across the Titanic's starboard hull. The total area of the damage appears to be about 12 to 13 square feet, or less than the area of two sidewalk squares. What doomed the ship was the unlucky placement of the six wounds across six watertight holds, the experts say."

So damage that was only two sidewalk squares in size, sunk the Titanic. 

Wow, I've been very intrigued by the Titanic lately for curious and personal reasons and while I knew most of these, point 7 is actually news to me. The 'perfect disaster' as you say.

[harwee]

9 minutes ago, mystery said:

It could be more of an investigative movie that showcases the carelessness of the company and its owner. Show the ominous buildup towards the disaster with the clear warning signs and then when the event itself happens switch to the panicked crew on the ship and the search and rescue & eventual investigation.

 

yes there's definitely something scammy about the whole thing

 

its supposed to be a UNESCO protected landmark for its cultural heritage something something, so i think a lot of them were cutting corners except for the teen.

 

lots of Titanic artifacts also been showing up in Las Vegas hotels etc so its not entirely impossible there's window shopping activities for the rich going on down there (not necessarily this trip).

all these could be wrapped into something investigative.

 

[Abracadabra]

12 minutes ago, perfectillusion204 said:

Idk if I would necessarily call it a tourist attraction. I don't think you can just sign up online lol. Plus the price is way too high for like 99.9% of the population. You definitely have to know the right people and have connections

It is essentially a tourist attraction though, albeit a very expensive one but so are a lot of things and rich tourists are still tourists. Of course the average person won't be able to afford it but the fact is that the company is still selling it despite it being highly dangerous and with not much experience behind it. Maybe it's naive of me but given all of that I'm just surprised that something like this is allowed to be sold as an "experience" when it's really a game of Russian roulette.

[mystery]

James Cameron said in an interview just now that there is information being shared in the sub community that they dropped ballast and were aware of an issue when this all happened.
 

 

[Mr. Mendes]

58 minutes ago, Pikachoo said:

what was the difference between this sub and the one James Cameron used?

The sub James Cameron and every other reputable organization that have visited the ship were explicitly designed to travel down into the depth Titanic rests at. They were professionally made subs piloted by professional individuals. This sub was essentially homemade and despite their claims of it being able to go that deep was not in fact ever cleared to go down that far. 

 

 

[Mr. Mendes]

26 minutes ago, Speaker Phone said:

Yeah, the history of the Titanic is fascinating - it really is the 'perfect disaster' when you think about it. In the sense that a very delicate series of events led to its demise.

 

1) There were not enough lifeboats on board because they were considered visually unappealing when seen from an exterior viewpoint.

 

2) The ship was going too fast, which they believe is because the officers wanted to arrive a day early (Monday evening instead of Tuesday morning). They would arrive in time to make the next day's newspapers, and this would be great PR.

 

3) There was a new moon that night, meaning there was no visible moon to light up the iceberg to the lookout crew.

 

4) The sea was completely still, there were no waves to crash against the iceberg, again making it almost invisible to the eye.

 

5) They fired one of the lookout crew because he showed up late and was denied boarding. He happened to have the only key to one of the ship's storage lockers, which held the ship's binoculars. He forgot to leave the key behind when he left.

 

6) When they did spot the iceberg, the First Officer ordered the ship to turn, to avoid it. Good intentions, but because of this decision the ship collided with the iceberg diagonally, and 6 watertight containers were breached. The Titanic could only afford to lose 4 watertight containers. If they had collided with the iceberg head-on, everyone on the ship would have been thrusted forward, no doubt leading to injury/death, and the ship would have been unfit to sail, but it would not have sunk.

 

7) Though 6 watertight containers were breached, the gashes were actually very small. According to the NYT, "the team found the damage to be astonishingly small -- a series of six thin openings across the Titanic's starboard hull. The total area of the damage appears to be about 12 to 13 square feet, or less than the area of two sidewalk squares. What doomed the ship was the unlucky placement of the six wounds across six watertight holds, the experts say."

So damage that was only two sidewalk squares in size, sunk the Titanic. 

 

19 minutes ago, kimbo said:

Wow, I've been very intrigued by the Titanic lately for curious and personal reasons and while I knew most of these, point 7 is actually news to me. The 'perfect disaster' as you say.

Yes indeed the damage was absolutely tiny because contrary to what most believe, the iceberg didn't tear any holes into the ship's structure. 

 

What it actually did was caused the poorly made rivets that held her hull plates together to pop out of place, thus causing the whole plates to separate and allow water in. The damage visible on the wreck is a mixture of little holes where the missing rivets were and some stress fractures in the steel from where it was forcibly ripped apart. 

 

To add onto another bit of the perfect disaster point, Titanic's water tight bulkheads only went up to E deck. Too many compartments flooded from the word go, but as one compartment filled, it simply spilled over the top of the bulkhead and began to flood the one behind it, causing undamaged compartments to take on water. What this means is that in theory, the sinking could've been slowed down, perhaps even long enough for rescue to arrive, had the bulkheads went all the way to the top. She was going to sink no matter what, but the speed of the flooding increased dramatically because the water wasn't held back beyond E deck. 

[Sannie]

A movie where they explore the lives of five strangers who come together for a once-in-a-lifetime trip to the Titanic could slay. The movie could end right as the submarine implodes. It would be chilling.

[G.U.Y. Gaga]

the way I saw this reply coming lmao 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by G.U.Y. Gaga

[umich]

8 minutes ago, G.U.Y. Gaga said:

the way I saw this reply coming lmao 

 

 

Nddjjskdkskdkd here we go 

 

[Cloröx]

So people did evaporate into gases for real