dirrtydiana Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Peroxide said: In 20/30 years time - yes, Taylor is going to be considered as big as MJ / The Beatles / Madonna. That is blatantly obvious In 20/30 years time people are gonna be looking back confused as to why someone like her is on those lists with the likes of TB, MJ and Madonna. Then the historians will discuss her excellent business moves. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peroxide Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Look, I get some of you girlies are bitter about Taylor’s success but downplaying her accomplishments is just making you look dumb. The numbers / stats / touring receipts are literally right there… you can’t argue with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peroxide Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: In 20/30 years time people are gonna be looking back confused as to why someone like her is on those lists with the likes of TB, MJ and Madonna. Then the historians will discuss her excellent business moves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gui Blackout Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: In 20/30 years time people are gonna be looking back confused as to why someone like her is on those lists with the likes of TB, MJ and Madonna. Then the historians will discuss her excellent business moves. Idk why are yall setting yourselves up for a lifetime of anger and frustration over her success. It would save you a lot time and effort to just accept and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: This post makes no sense. Is tay nearing anywhere near 22M equivalents with her 15 new releases? and the only ones who sold more than britney at the time were the likes of Eminem, nsync, bsb. There are much less albums that do more than 20M compared to the early 2000s and Taylor has a few which achieved that. Britney had a big peak but was already declining hard by her third album. Taylor had multiple repeaks spanning 17 years of career and currently noone is selling as much as her. Edited June 18, 2023 by Axelios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenda-walsh Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 madonna in the years 2000-2001, about the same length into her career taylor is: Music - top 10 biggest album in 2000 & 2001 GHV2 - top 10 biggest album in 2001 Music - top 10 biggest songs of 2000 American Pie - top 20 biggest songs of 2000 Drowned World Tour - highest solo grossing tour of 2001, sold out all shows within hours of announcement multiple copycats in britney, xtina, jlo, etc blatantly following the blueprint she set please stop acting like taylor is the only girl to have had monumental success this far in her career + madonna also had the confessions and hard candy eras which were huge and MDNA & RH tours were massive despite being flop albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, brenda-walsh said: madonna in the years 2000-2001, about the same length into her career taylor is: Music - top 10 biggest album in 2000 & 2001 GHV2 - top 10 biggest album in 2001 Music - top 10 biggest songs of 2000 American Pie - top 20 biggest songs of 2000 Drowned World Tour - highest solo grossing tour of 2001, sold out all shows within hours of announcement multiple copycats in britney, xtina, jlo, etc blatantly following the blueprint she set please stop acting like taylor is the only girl to have had monumental success this far in her career + madonna also had the confessions and hard candy eras which were huge and MDNA & RH tours were massive despite being flop albums Yes Madonna is literally the only other female artist who matches Taylor in that regard. Though Taylor career is more impressive in the US while Madonna is still bigger globally overall. Also Madonna has underperformed several times before that while Taylor was more consistent in terms of album success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirrtydiana Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: Idk why are yall setting yourselves up for a lifetime of anger and frustration over her success. It would save you a lot time and effort to just accept and move on Same can be said for those religiously passing said success as their own as if they were getting a cut from it hihihi 10 minutes ago, Axelios said: There are much less albums that do more than 20M compared to the early 2000s and Taylor has a few which achieved that. Britney had a big peak but was already declining hard by her third album. Taylor had multiple repeaks spanning 17 years of career and currently noone is selling as much as her. adele did it and more impressively, no gimmicks just her actually great songwriting, her voice and her piano. because no one did a whole bunch of releases like her in one era britney in 2001 didn’t pander or keep it safe for the masses like Taylor who isn’t facing the peak of piracy. She also didn’t do a full fledged tour that era due to promoting crossroads Edited June 18, 2023 by dirrtydiana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent W Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I don’t know if people really can understand how big Taylor is in 2023 This is by far her peak, she’s a lot bigger right now than she was in Fearless or 1989x Even I said a few months ago that she lacked impact to be considered a legend, but her impact is out there with the Eras tour and the current chart domination in the charts. Her new peak is definitely up there with the biggest ones in history like Britney’s, Madonna’s, The beatles, Gaga during TFM and 25 of Adele. Midnights alone is obviously not bigger as the eras mentioned, but her power, celebrity and chart dominance is definitely on that level. She is definitely a legend now at 33 and is probably going to be the biggest artist in history in the US ever within the next 10 year gap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: britney in 2001 didn’t pander or keep it save for the masses like Taylor. M I hope you're not talking about the fact that her image was more sexual because that was literally the typical marketing trajectory for a female popstar at the time Edited June 18, 2023 by Axelios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightDragonsWithMe Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) That Britney fans meltdown when their fave stopped moving albums after 2004 Edited June 18, 2023 by FightDragonsWithMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirrtydiana Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, Axelios said: I hope you're not talking about the fact that her image was more sexual because that was literally the typical trajectory for a female popstar at the time Who was doing it at the time? She was one borrowed from Janet and Madonna and perfected the transition into adult pop star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, brenda-walsh said: please stop acting like taylor is the only girl to have had monumental success this far in her career + madonna also had the confessions and hard candy eras which were huge and MDNA & RH tours were massive despite being flop albums And Mariah was just coming off of the enormous TEOM era around the same years in (plus still had Einstein, Touch My Body, Obsessed, AIWFCIY in her). Taylor's longevity is hugely impressive, but she's aided by the streaming era prolonging careers, a lack of female pop competition, and making the musical equivalent of Ovaltine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solaria Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Okay but Ava Max’ imperial phase in 2018-2020 was bigger than Taylor now tbh. She really saved pop music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatyPrismSpirit Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: In 20/30 years time people are gonna be looking back confused as to why someone like her is on those lists with the likes of TB, MJ and Madonna. Then the historians will discuss her excellent business moves. oh you are insufferable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 It’s crazy how high all her albums are on the charts and global Spotify lists, the haters are fuming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatyPrismSpirit Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, suburbannature said: And Mariah was just coming off of the enormous TEOM era around the same years in (plus still had Einstein, Touch My Body, Obsessed, AIWFCIY in her). Taylor's longevity is hugely impressive, but she's aided by the streaming era prolonging careers, a lack of female pop competition, and making the musical equivalent of Ovaltine. pulease... mariahs TEOM and Einstein were big albums with nice hits but Mariah's previous discography was not in high demand as well. Neither was she able to sell out stadiums worldwide this far during her career. I dont even believe she was able to fully sell out arenas for the Emancipation tour... even in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgalbriel Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Love Again said: Okay but Ava Max’ imperial phase in 2018-2020 was bigger than Taylor now tbh. She really saved pop music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirrtydiana Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: oh you are insufferable You really think she belongs amongst them? It gives Influencers at the met gala teas. she won’t even come close to the women she’s modeled after, Shania Twain. It’s safe to say she won’t touch Madonna, MJ with her cute records that lost meaning over time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylena Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Another thread of just the same people fuming and coping with Taylor's success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: pulease... mariahs TEOM and Einstein were big albums with nice hits but Mariah's previous discography was not in high demand as well. Neither was she able to sell out stadiums worldwide this far during her career. I dont even believe she was able to fully sell out arenas for the Emancipation tour... even in the US. I literally did not say she had nonstop longevity (neither did Madonna during that time) like Taylor. TEOM was more than a big album with nice hits bffr especially considering the state of her career before that. It was IFPI #2, Soundscan #1, Song of the Decade. I'm just saying that other females have had major success late in their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatyPrismSpirit Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, dirrtydiana said: You really think she belongs amongst them? It gives Influencers at the met gala teas. she won’t even come close to the women she’s modeled after, Shania Twain. It’s safe to say she won’t touch Madonna, MJ with her cute records that lost meaning over time She doesnt belong next to them currently no but to see the impact of ones legacy and how music ages takes time. In 2050 people will look back at the first half of this century and big artists during that time and when thinking about that time, Taylor Swift will likely be one of the most prominent figures... Just like how Madonna, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson and The Beatles are prominent figures of the latter half of the 20th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collin Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 28 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: In 20/30 years time people are gonna be looking back confused as to why someone like her is on those lists with the likes of TB, MJ and Madonna. Then the historians will discuss her excellent business moves. The only thing that sets her back is that she definitely has never moved the cultural needle, she really has never done something groundbreaking. But besides that she’s definitely in the same breath as those legends whether we like it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peroxide Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Even when the Beatles were popular in the 60’s… they weren’t respected the way the are today… their primary audience were teenage girls (sound familiar anyone?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: Just like how Madonna, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson and The Beatles are prominent figures of the latter half of the 20th century. The female erasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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