base talk ATRL Decides: Discussing Dr. Luke…

[Ryan]

A member recently made a thread celebrating the success of alleged rapist and abuser Dr. Luke. I called the stanning of him “weird, loser behavior” and tbh I don’t regret it. It is weird loser behavior to openly Stan for a man who has credible rape allegations against him.

 

Now, I do think it’s difficult to navigate the songs he did for others before all this came out. And it’s subjective whether artists who continue to work with him out of legal obligation vs. those choosing to work with him should be criticized, but like stanning the actual man? And his talent? It’s weird AF to me. Especially when he purposely goes by aliases to try and hide that he’s still working in the industry.

 

How can you separate the art from the man when they’re so intrinsically linked? Should he rightfully be dragged in threads celebrating him? What about the artists who continue to work with him?

 

Rules: No trolling. Other than that feel free to say what you feel. 

[Carla Rosón]

Yeah it's weird. Why don't other producers like Max Martin get a thread every time they achieve something?

 

Those people who make threads congratulating Dr. Luke know damn well what they're doing.

[josesuxx]

How would all the ATRL gays feel if their mom had been raped but read strangers online all the time celebrating their mom's rapist just cause they like his work? Assuming that gays here even care for their mothers since they seem to hate women so much! 

[State of Grace.]

Luke and anyone willingly working with him should be dragged. 

 

I don't think its productive to boycott his old material that most of us here love / grew up with or call anyone listening to Teenage Dream for example a "rapist apologist". However, rooting for this man to make a "comeback" and constantly celebrating his recent success and stanning him is disgusting. You don't see this many threads about Max Martin, Jack Antonoff, etc scoring Top 10 hits so it literally comes from a nasty place to "get back" at Kesha and her fans on this site.

Edited May 22, 2023 by State of Grace.

[JustHoran]

We should be able to talk about the music like if Kim releases a song by him, etc. but Dr. Luke the person? He should not be allowed threads. He's disgusting.

 

Like someone else said, Max Martin and others never get threads but this alleged rapist does? It's to make digs at Kesha and it's very obvious. Also he should rightfully be allowed to get dragged on here.

Edited May 22, 2023 by JustHoran

[Zack]

I think he should receive the J.K Rowling treatment on here personally.

 

I haven't really seen any threads involving him that don't dissolve into weird behavior and it's tiring to see people use his name in stan wars/as an opportunity to attack Kesha for her choices in defending herself. It's always seemed off why people do that and that opportunity should probably be closed down.

[halcyonday]

It's kinda shocking that he's still getting support from the industry so i'm glad that some people are exposing these things with the threads

 

but another thing that's very sus is dragging some people that work/ed with him, but then openly supporting others 

[Shimenawa]

Yeah it's weird how he has stans celebrating his charts success. But the "We love you Luke" from Mariah Carey recently was disgusting as well.

[Enigmanotta]

Didn't you make a banner promoting the release of Alone by Kim Petras and Nicki Minaj while also pinning the lyric video at the top of its thread? It's a little ironic of you to instigate this discussion while actively enjoying and supporting Dr. Luke's work and artists who willingly choose to work with him.

 

Anyway, I agree that Dr. Luke should receive the same treatment as J. K. Rowling. Absolutely nobody gives a flying **** what this "alleged" rapist accomplishes. Threads about him always lead to the same recurring, pointless fights between certain fanbases and people. As for the artists who willingly choose to work with him, they deserve to be criticized and lashed at. It comes with the territory.

[Sylpher]

Innocent until proven guilty. And he was not proven guilty.

[bearman]

2 minutes ago, Sylpher said:

Innocent until proven guilty. And he was not proven guilty.

Can you predict the future because the trial is yet to happen

[Catch22]

4 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

That member did not deserve your response for a thread where he didn't even mention anything related to Kesha or his "past". He literally posted a chart stat. It is not fair to then call people "rape apologists" for citing his ability to sustain a long career like some members do here. If that is the case then where is the moral outrage in literally every single Doja Cat thread? Should we then be allowed to discuss the music he historically produced? Cause isn't that also enabling him in a sense that we uphold his relevancy? Saying someone is a good producer should not take away from any ethical implications. Especially if you like his early work

Disgusting person alert.

[khalyan]

We should be able to discuss him and freely drag him and his supporters as we wish 

[gettsleazy]

Talk about his productions all you want, but he himself should get the J.K. treatment on here. 

 

He has a bizarre and dedicated group of 3, 4 users that continue to use his name to mock, belittle, and humiliate his rape victim and the countless other women he has abused. Whether or not you believe he raped Kesha, there is court certified evidence that this man is an abuser, a con artist, and a sociopath. 

 

He has not contributed enough to pop culture beyond what he's given to immensely talented female artists. Discussions surrounding him on this forum are never productive. I admit to being part of that dynamic but it is hard to sit back and watch while a bunch of gay men in their 20's/30's "troll" people using the despicable actions he's been a part of. 

 

I personally think some of these pro-Luke posts veer on ZTP warnings alone. They reek of misogyny and the only reason they get posted is to pointedly trigger people, especially victims of rape and assault. It is disgusting and has gone on far too long. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by gettsleazy

[ariananext]

Yeah, it really goes to show how little people care about real issues that don't affect them directly.

[mxoonlight]

People “stanning” him should get flagged for trolling, it’s inherently incendiary in nature and people know what they’re doing.

 

He should still be discussed as he unfortunately still has a huge presence in the industry and criticism of people who choose to work with him/his camp is fair.

[Space Cowboy]

Let’s see the timeline of the lawsuit between Kesha and Dr Luke

 

October 14, 2014: Kesha files a lawsuit against Dr. Luke in California, alleging sexual assault, sexual harassment, and emotional distress. She also seeks to invalidate her recording contracts with him.

 

October 17, 2014: Dr. Luke counter-sues Kesha for defamation and breach of contract in New York.

 

April 6, 2016: New York Judge Shirley Werner Kornreich dismisses Kesha's abuse claims.
 

August 1, 2016: Kesha drops the sexual assault lawsuit in California to focus on the ongoing defamation lawsuit in New York and her music career.

 

February 6, 2020: A New York judge rules that Kesha defamed Dr. Luke in a text message to Lady Gaga, stating Dr. Luke had raped Katy Perry (a claim Perry denied). The judge also rules that Dr. Luke is not a public figure, which has implications for the standards of proof in defamation cases.

 

So if the rape allegations against him were so credible, why couldn’t he be proven guilty in a trial? Why every lawsuit made by Kesha were either dropped or dismissed?
 

I’m not a Dr. Luke stan, but it’s undeniable he’s one the most talented and impactful producers of our time.

 

[Ryan]

7 minutes ago, Enigmanotta said:

Didn't you make a banner promoting the release of Alone by Kim Petras and Nicki Minaj while also pinning the lyric video at the top of its thread? It's a little ironic of you to instigate this discussion while actively enjoying and supporting Dr. Luke's work and artists who willingly choose to work with him.

My stance on Dr. Luke has been clear for years. I don’t think it’s fair to blame the artists he works with for his alleged actions/behavior, but there’s certainly room to criticize them for choosing to work with him in light of it. I don’t see what’s so difficult about understanding that. 

 

22 minutes ago, Ryan said:

Now, I do think it’s difficult to navigate the songs he did for others before all this came out. And it’s subjective whether artists who continue to work with him out of legal obligation vs. those choosing to work with him should be criticized, but like stanning the actual man?

 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

7 minutes ago, gettsleazy said:

Talk about his productions all you want, but he himself should get the J.K. treatment on here. 

 

He has a bizarre and dedicated group of 3, 4 users that continue to use his name to mock, belittle, and humiliate his rape victim and the countless other women he has abused. Whether or not you believe he raped Kesha, there is court certified evidence that this man is an abuser, a con artist, and a sociopath. 

 

He has not contributed enough to pop culture beyond what he's given to immensely talented female artists. Discussions surrounding him on this forum are  never productive. I admit to being part of that dynamic but it is hard to sit back and watch while a bunch of gay men in their 20's/30's "troll" people using the despicable actions he's been a part of. 

 

I personally think some of these pro-Luke posts veer on ZTP warnings alone. They reek of misogyny and the only reason they get posted is to pointedly trigger people, especially victims of rape and assault. It is disgusting and has gone on far too long. 

Reek of misogyny when you literally called Katy Perry a "blow up doll of clown pop" in another thread? You are such a hypocrite. We want a safe space on here thats why you never see anyone discuss the implications of his lawsuit directly. The only thing i mention from the whole lawsuit is when Kesha was ruled by a judge to have defamed Katy and Dr. Luke when she texted misinformation about Dr. Luke r*ng Katy Perry? Stop hiding behind the misogyny card when you talk about women like this yourself

Edited May 22, 2023 by KatyPrismSpirit

[gettsleazy]

2 minutes ago, mxoonlight said:

People “stanning” him should get flagged for trolling, it’s inherently incendiary in nature and people know what they’re doing.

This. If discussion of *him* isn't going to be banned, we should be allowed to have open season on him and his abusive ways. 

[gettsleazy]

1 minute ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Reek of misogyny when you literally called Katy Perry a "blow up doll of clown pop" in another thread? You are such a hypocrite. We want a safe space on here thats why you never see anyone discuss the implications of his lawsuit directly. The only thing i mentioned from the whole lawsuit is when Kesha defamed Katy and Dr. Luke when she spread misinformation about Dr. Luke r*ng her? Stop hiding behind the misogyny card when you talk about women like this yourself

 

If you think this is misogynist you need to seek professional help. 

[PopKills]

I do not care about Luke as a person at all. I like lots of the stuff he produces and I talk about and listen to that. 
 

 

Btw some users need to look up the meaning of FREEDOM OF SPEECH

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Just now, gettsleazy said:

 

If you think this is misogynist you need to seek professional help. 

Calling a woman a blow up doll is misogyny. Stop acting innocent now seriously you arent funny. 

[gettsleazy]

Just now, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Calling a woman a blow up doll is misogyny. Stop acting innocent now seriously you arent funny. 

Called her a "blow up clown doll", not a "blow up doll." Get a sense of nuance and learn how to read. 

[halcyonday]

1 minute ago, gettsleazy said:

 

If you think this is misogynist you need to seek professional help. 

girlie in the other thread you said that Katy is nothing without his productions. you're literally against saying that for kesha so be real and don't use that against katy.