album Taylor Swift - 'Speak Now (Taylor's Version)'

[Temporal]

1M+ definitely isn't happening, the conservative read rn is 450k,  but I think it'll land somewhere in the 500-600k range

[Bosque]

1 hour ago, Temporal said:

1M+ definitely isn't happening, the conservative read rn is 450k,  but I think it'll land somewhere in the 500-600k range

Literally what logic is there for it to debut below Red TV?

[LVP]

2 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Literally what logic is there for it to debut below Red TV?

There was bigger hype for Red Tv imo, especially cause of ATW 10

[dyktatuob]

2 minutes ago, LVP said:

There was bigger hype for Red Tv imo, especially cause of ATW 10

her daily streams and listeners werent as high as now when red tv came out so

[Klein]

10 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Literally what logic is there for it to debut below Red TV?

This. I don't understand how one can expect her to open with less than Red TV, especially since as far as we know, Speak Now TV already beat Red TV in preorders. Her streaming power is like 4 times bigger than in late 2021. 

[LVP]

3 minutes ago, dyktatuob said:

her daily streams and listeners werent as high as now when red tv came out so

well, that’s true

I think with Taylor it’s impossible to predict the number. Realistically I would say it will do less than Red TV, but Midnights number also were beyond my imagination 

[PoisonedIvy]

Red TV averaged somewhere a little above 3M streams per track first day right? With a total of like 100M first day streams? 
 

Midnights averaged what, 12M per track for the standard and maybe like 8-10M for full the 3AM release? 
 

Speak Now TV should fall in the middle, about 5-6M stream average. 6M streams x 22 songs = 132M streams  Which is more than Red TV.

Edited July 1, 2023 by WeFoundTrouble

[dyktatuob]

18 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

Red TV averaged somewhere a little above 3M streams per track first day right? With a total of like 100M first day streams? 
 

Midnights averaged what, 12M per track for the standard and maybe like 8-10M for full the 3AM release? 
 

Speak Now TV should fall in the middle, about 5-6M stream average. 6M streams x 22 songs = 132M streams  Which is more than Red TV.

the way the speak now is bound to outsell red tv and fearless meanwhile if we only include og versions fearless is the best selling out of the three it's funny  like what's next debut doing 150m streams 

[Folklore89sm]

There isn’t any signed SN TV physicals is there?

[lasthauntedkiss]

2 minutes ago, Folklore89sm said:

There isn’t any signed SN TV physicals is there?

not yet

[Steve Johnson]

59 minutes ago, LVP said:

well, that’s true

I think with Taylor it’s impossible to predict the number. Realistically I would say it will do less than Red TV, but Midnights number also were beyond my imagination 

I may sound dumb but I'm predicting SN TV to debut with 150 million+

 

[NEX]

Surprised this hasn't leaked despite that French debacle months ago 

[queenoftheclouds]

Foolish One and Timeless over 5 Minutes? We get served!

[Steve Johnson]

38 minutes ago, =NEX= said:

Surprised this hasn't leaked despite that French debacle months ago 

Nobody wants to go to prison. 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Steve Johnson

[Temporal]

2 hours ago, Dephira said:

Literally what logic is there for it to debut below Red TV?

Mmmm, fair point, I'd gander this could do north of 700k, but Red was bigger than the original Speak Now and the re-release came out during the Fall. Saying this would match or outdo the original seems a little much, but if anyone could do it, it's blondie 

[Kyle-x]

I like to read old reviews as we get closer to the re-recording and what was this man's issue  John J. Moser you're not seeing heaven

 

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But the truth is, it’s nowhere near as good as Swift’s last disc, 2008’s “Fearless,” and not even as good as her 2006 self-titled debut. And except for “Never Grow Up,” by far the highlight of the disc, none of these 14 songs will be in the league of “Love Story.”

 

Despite all of the voices — including Swift’s — loudly saying  “Speak Now” represents a leap of maturity, the truth is that far too many of its tunes tread the same ground, lyrically and musically, as Swift’s previous hits. 

 

They’re country/pop — emphasis on pop — typified by the first single, “Mine,” that start with catchy tunes, soar at just the right moment and end, as did many of the songs on her earlier album, with whispered phrases, as if saying, “Shhh, listen, this is deep.”

 

...

 

But for too much of the disc, instead of co-writers who are able to turn “Teardrops on My Guitar” or “You Belong With Me” into catchy and relatable songs, Swift solo gives us songs that are rehashes (“Sparks Fly” and “The Story of Us”) or trite and uninteresting (“Back to December” and “Innocent,” even though the latter’s been identified as Swift’s response to Kanye West’s interruption of her VMA acceptance speech.)

 

But worst are the songs in which Swift sounds more like a bitter brat swimming in self pity than a mature woman. “Dear John” accuses a suitor of having a “sick need to give love then take it away.”  

 

 

Edited July 2, 2023 by Kyle-x

[Holiest Dreams]

7 hours ago, LVP said:

There was bigger hype for Red Tv imo, especially cause of ATW 10

SNTV literally has like 4x the amount of pre-orders as Red TV did 

[Kyle-x]

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What that means is that there isn't a song on the album that isn't an absolute wonder of technical construction. In terms of her ability to write an indelible melody, Swift rivals power-pop acts like Fountains of Wayne and Guster, and songs like "Back to December" and "Speak Now" showcase Swift's unique knack for matching the overall tone of a melody to the broader themes of a song. It isn't easy to make a melancholy song like "Back to December" sound catchy at the same time, but that's what Swift does, and it's an impressive trick.

 

Perhaps even more impressive, though, is her mastery of song structure. It isn't just about writing a clever lyric or melodic figure to serve as a hook, though Swift certainly does both. Instead, it's a matter of placing those hooks at exactly the right moment in a song and ensuring that the arrangement and production add just the right amount of punch. Swift and producer Nathan Chapman are simply better at writing hooks and showcasing hooks, respectively, than just about any other team in contemporary pop, and they somehow make that seem effortless over the course of the album.

 

Consider lead single "Mine," on which the standout line in the refrain ("You made a rebel of a careless man's careful daughter") is the only one in which Swift's vocals are double-tracked. Or how the instrumentation drops out during the last two words of the hook in "Last Kiss," allowing Swift's breathy vocal delivery to bear the entirety of the song's emotional weight. Or how a simple acoustic guitar figure on "Enchanted" slowly crescendos behind each repetition of the line "I was enchanted to meet you." These are deliberate songwriting and production choices, not happy accidents or the work of someone who approaches pop music casually. In terms of its construction, Speak Now is a studied, smart album that is easily the best, most dense work of Swift's career so far.

 

 

 

[By the Water]

I'm still not convinced about Enchanted being an easy #1 but I'd be very surprised if she can't top Red TV's numbers

[Ampersand13]

5 minutes ago, Kyle-x said:

I like to read old reviews as we get closer to the re-recording and what was this man's issue  John J. Moser you're not seeing heaven

 

 

Reviews like this still irk me from time to time. I can’t imagine a reputable journalist referring to a teenage artist as a ‘brat’ today, the climate and outlook is just so different (mostly in a good way I’d argue.) Imagine calling Back to December “trite and uninteresting”  

 

Re: first week sales, I don’t want to be pessimistic but I’d rather low-ball and stick with 600-800k and be pleasantly surprised if she over-performs than expect something higher. Either way, in less than a week I’ll be experiencing this bible all over again and I couldn’t be more excited 

[Kyle-x]

Just now, Ampersand13 said:

Reviews like this still irk me from time to time. I can’t imagine a reputable journalist referring to a teenage artist as a ‘brat’ today, the climate and outlook is just so different (mostly in a good way I’d argue.) Imagine calling Back to December “trite and uninteresting”  

 

Re: first week sales, I don’t want to be pessimistic but I’d rather low-ball and stick with 600-800k and be pleasantly surprised if she over-performs than expect something higher. Either way, in less than a week I’ll be experiencing this bible all over again and I couldn’t be more excited 

The reviews for Fearless and Speak Now alway talked about her shelf life too and speculate whether she'll soon no longer be relatable to her audience and fall off.  You don't see that for girls like Billie or Olivia these days. No wonder she was writing songs like Nothing New

[RobynYoBank]

12 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said:

SNTV literally has like 4x the amount of pre-orders as Red TV did 

Where's the receipts?

 

The main thing working in Speak Now's favor IMO is that they under-shipped vinyl for both Red and Fearless. I couldn't find them in stores for months, so there was clearly unmet demand. They wouldn't dare after Midnights.

Edited July 2, 2023 by RobynYoBank

[Ampersand13]

1 minute ago, Kyle-x said:

The reviews for Fearless and Speak Now alway talked about her shelf life too and speculate whether she'll soon no longer be relatable to her audience and fall off.  You don't see that for girls like Billie or Olivia these days. No wonder she was writing songs like Nothing New

Mess, let me give some older reviews a peruse in the coming days just for kicks and kiis

[Holiest Dreams]

6 minutes ago, RobynYoBank said:

Where's the receipts?

 

The main thing working in Speak Now's favor IMO is that they under-shipped vinyl for both Red and Fearless. I couldn't find them in stores for months, so there was clearly unmet demand. They wouldn't dare after Midnights.

I think I may have gotten that wrong - Red TV had 50k and Speak Now TV iirc is at at least 100k, probably more like 150k. This comes from tracking her store (for both releases). So it’s 2-3x rather than 4x, but point still stands. 
 

Also that’s true, it will be properly shipped. Red lost out on a lot of sales. I hope globally it is stocked as well because Midnights showed how well she can debut on a worldwide scale with proper physicals available in every country…

[Holiest Dreams]

17 minutes ago, By the Water said:

I'm still not convinced about Enchanted being an easy #1 but I'd be very surprised if she can't top Red TV's numbers

Right, I don’t think anything from this will go #1 like with ATW. It’s not impossible but just not very likely since Enchanted is… beloved but a simple rerecording, not a whole new song like ATW10. I do, however, think she’ll have bigger streams and sales as a whole compared to Red TV. So she could place multiple songs in the top 10 maybe if she’s lucky.