Emil Larsen Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) Why is it free falling in France? Quote Why does France hate her so much except touring wise Edited July 10, 2023 by Emil Larsen 2
PoisonedIvy Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: I think because of their temporal and creative proximity, it's perfectly valid to combine them. Evermore is often treated as an extension of Folklore even in respectful ways, so it makes sense - though I think there are those who diminish and disregard it with the same strategy, sometimes. I think that the biggest difference for me - and the reason I find it very difficult to combine them, opposite to what you describe - is that Evermore is so much less proper, poised, controlled. When you hit play on Folklore, from start to finish you're getting a very specific and curated version of Taylor. It's a brilliant version of her and one of my favorite things ever to happen - like, listening to Folklore for the first time was mind-blowing. But there's a common thread there that keeps you in one relatively particular lane, this poetic, almost cinematic experience. Even Mad Woman is controlled, directed, and wise in its palpable contempt and fury. With Evermore, though, it felt like she lifted the restraints that were placed on Folklore, and we watch her meander a little further from the path both emotionally and sonically. I could see pretty much any Folklore song on Evermore, but I couldn't see most Evermore songs on Folklore, if that makes sense. Maybe Willow or Tolerate it, but certainly not Gold Rush or Marjorie. It could just be me making up things, but I see direct parallels from Speak Now to Folklore and from Red to Evermore. In each case, the first (Speak Now, Folklore) has a more consistent sound and attitude, while the latter (Red, Evermore) jumps around, plays with more obviously synthetic pop sounds, and delves deeper into heartbreak as a theme. I think part of what remains so compelling about Evermore for some of us, compared to Folklore, is that it cuts directly into our own experiences and feelings. Of the two, Evermore definitely the younger sister who has a glass of wine in her hand for the entire Christmas party, who hugs you one too many times and shares one or two too many things that are too honest about her emotional state. I could literally write for hours and hours about these two albums and about why I love Evermore so much, so let me just stop myself while I'm ahead. I will say that other than that, your ranking is pretty close to mine, which is super cool! What an eloquent and analytical post, you are the best member of this base by a long shot Whew. You’re absolutely right that folklore, like Speak Now, was Taylor showing she was a MASTER at crafting exactly what people expect when they think of her at her best, while evermore and Red are her showing that skill off and then pushing the boundaries of what we expect from her within the confines of a certain sonic palate. Excellent point about a lot of the folklore tracks meshing into evermore but the inverse of that not being applicable. evermore sure is the sister who is a lot more blunt about things. folklore is the sister that tries to stay prim and proper but evermore is unabashedly assertive. Ah let me have a moment with these two tonight, it’s been awhile. 1
jomarr Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Emil Larsen said: Why is it free falling in France? France is just about to wake up
1989 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1. Speak Now 2. Folklore 3. 1989 4. Evermore 5. Fearless 6. Midnights 7. Lover 8. Red 9. Debut 10. Reputation I’ve made it known that SN and Folklore are essentially tied for me. 1
Klein Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 1. evermore 2. Speak Now 3. folklore 4. Red 5. Fearless 6. Midnights 7. 1989 8. Lover 9. Reputation 10. Debut folklore and Red tend to switch, Fearless and Midnights too. Debut will 100% jump at least a couple spots after the TV. Edited July 10, 2023 by Klein 1
My20sBlues Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 The vault tracks from Fearless are underrated I guess 4
Taylor fanboy Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 10 hours ago, artc0cx said: Timeless finally clicked on me cant believe this masterpiece was kept from us this long Joe Jonas the muse that you are. Taylor the songwriter that you are! 8 hours ago, Great Username said: Grieving for the 13 years that Timeless was unnecessarily withheld from us. I want to hear Timeless (13-Year Old Version).
style17 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 my new rankijg cause i changed my mind again 1. Red 2. 1989 3. Midnights 4. evermore 5. folklore 6. Speak Now 7. reputation 8. Lover 9. Fearless 10. Tayble Stiff
Finkypop Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 I love all of the vault tracks on this record. She really did that 1
Cloröx Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Starchild said: But her SUCCESS fans said she was flopping and should throw the re recordings in the bin Fixed it for you I Can See Lord is that infectious
1989 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, My20sBlues said: The vault tracks from Fearless are underrated I guess They absolutely are.
1989 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 Innocent is so f*cking depressing knowing what we know now 2
Kyle-x Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said: It could just be me making up things, but I see direct parallels from Speak Now to Folklore and from Red to Evermore. In each case, the first (Speak Now, Folklore) has a more consistent sound and attitude, while the latter (Red, Evermore) jumps around, plays with more obviously synthetic pop sounds, and delves deeper into heartbreak as a theme. I think part of what remains so compelling about Evermore for some of us, compared to Folklore, is that it cuts directly into our own experiences and feelings. Of the two, Evermore is definitely the younger sister who has a glass of wine in her hand for the entire Christmas party, who hugs you one too many times and shares one or two too many things that are too honest about her emotional state. I totally see this comparison from a sonic perspective! However, from a songwriting perspective I find the inverse to be true. evermore and Speak Now to me feel a lot more frayed at the edges and lend themselves to indulge in her most kinetic and frantic tendencies. I think she gave her pen a freedom that was more restrained on Red and folklore. I totally see your vision in grouping these 4 albums together, they're definitely in conversation with each other when you compare all of her albums. It's interesting to consider that Red followed Speak Now which honed in her songwriting (imo) yet expanded her sonic palette, which was the main critique of the album at the time. I feel like when she pivoted her direction with folklore she learned from that and had sharp focus on both parts. evermore felt like she was rewarding herself by allowing her to indulge in all of the things she kept tucked away neatly in a drawer to serve the greater thesis of folklore. Almost like a dam bursting with unbridled creativity. It's equal parts Red and Speak Now in some ways, by way of production and songwriting respectively. Maybe I'm alone in this idea but I do love to hear about the world building people do in their minds about her discography we all experience her work in such different ways 2
Taylor fanboy Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 Screaming at Innocent TV becoming the TWILY, TMW, TLT, and TL glow up! Screaming at those from before, starting with T too. 1
Taylor fanboy Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) Male duets: That’s When > Electric Touch > Run Background: IBYTAM > You All Over Me Female duets: Nothing New > Castles Crumbling Timeless > All the vault Edited July 10, 2023 by Taylor fanboy 1
Cleanromantic Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) Never Grow Up TV continues to destroy me every time I listen to it. Her emotive mature vocal performance and the fact that a 32/33 year old woman is singing it instead of a 20 year old kid adds to the gravitas of the song . Last Kiss also sounds more heartbreaking than the original especially that mmhmmm mhmmmm after the second chorus . Edited July 10, 2023 by Cleanromantic
1989 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said: Electric Touch is growing on me. Cause it’s godly sis
enchanted0 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 34 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said: Electric Touch is growing on me. I'm SO JEALOUS of the audience who will get a surprise performance of this. Such a perfect anthem for concerts
SpeakNowTv Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 ICSY is so friends who secretly want eachother omg
fridayteenage Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 maybe we shoulda known enchanted wouldn't get a video when we saw she gave production duties to rowe. 1
Bosque Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 1. Evermore 2. Midnights 3am 3. Speak Now TV 4. Red TV 5. Folklore 6. Fearless TV 7. Reputation 8. 1989 9. Lover 10. Debut i really want to put Fearless higher but the ones above it are just so good ugh idk Edited July 10, 2023 by Dephira
Frozen99 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, fridayteenage said: maybe we shoulda known enchanted wouldn't get a video when we saw she gave production duties to rowe. what is the consensus on enchanted? it feels like the production lacks so much of that "oomph" especially right before the "This night.." chorus also, wtf is wrong with spotify and all the messed up apostrophes? "Taylor’s, Taylor's" like make a decision, now my scrobbles are all f'd up
Enrique523 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 18 hours ago, Starchild said: Y'all are damn insufferable lord, this site will continue to call Taylor a flop even though she's the #1 artist in the world by a large margin because y'all won't stfu about her being some "flop", this fanbase has become so spoiled and irrational THANK YOU SO MUCH This is the exact reason why i don't go on ATRL every single day, i just can't stand the CONSTANT negativity over every little thing. SNTV is doing FINE, her whole discography is smashing right now, she's not "flopping" in any way. I adore Taylor so much but i really can't stand Swifties sometimes, the constant meltdowns over the littlest things are so tiring. I mean this is the fanbase that had meltdowns over SONG TITLES, let that sink in
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