poll Bigger career: Taylor Swift or Britney Spears?

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

What I've been saying this whole time. in 2008-2009 it was nothing but about her dating famous men and writing about them. her most famous ex was John Mayer

If you'd bothered to comprehend what I wrote, I never denied this. What I've been trying to say is that Taylor started as a massive celebrity figure (which can mostly be attributed to the Kanye incident at the VMAs and not any of her boyfriends, regardless) but that she was able to move beyond that and become famous for her talents and her output and her successes. Britney is still relegated to being famous because of the conservatorship, and any fame from her musical output has withered and died since 2004. 

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, Michael196 said:

Lol Taylor causes conversations daily even without lifting a finger let alone when she actually does, she doesn’t need to embarrass herself on instagram to get noticed…

No she just needs to write about her current ex to get any relevance to her music 

[Josh]

1 minute ago, Love Again said:

Exactly. John Mayer, Jake Gyllenhaal, Harry Styles, Calvin Harris and Tom Hiddleston were instrumental in giving her projects attention. That is a fact. She is just as much tabloid fodder as Britney was.

The only time Britney has been tabloid fodder was when someone started mess with her (ie: Perez, Diane Sawyer, Justin) Taylor is always the center of attention when it comes to her exes

[wastedpotential]

2 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

Why are you taking anything the Britney stans say seriously, they're the most delusional bunch on the internet :deadbanana:. Just nod and smile and let them be.

I need to vent my anger somewhere nnnnnn

[Jjang]

It’s clearly Taylor. 

 

Britney maybe had a bigger peak in 1999-2002 but Taylor’s longevity and consistency wins. 

[Enrique523]

I can't at people unironically saying that dating men is what made her famous. The misogyny is insane 

 

Taylor already had massive selling albums WAY before the media started to concentrate so much on her dating life.

[Michael196]

33 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Wasn’t always the case though, i’ve been browsing ATRL Classic and there were much more fun threads where it wasn’t all about the numbers. The Swifties that joined this site after 2019 have infested it with data analysis threads. The most boring kind of threads

In no relation to what you said but after reading some threads, I can’t believe the things that used to slide around here, it was worse than twitter

[Axelios]

Just now, Josh said:

The only time Britney has been tabloid fodder was when someone started mess with her (ie: Perez, Diane Sawyer, Justin) Taylor is always the center of attention when it comes to her exes

Ok sure you won. Taylor is even bigger than Britney in terms of tabloid attention. I guess there is really no metric where Britney can win

[Josh]

1 minute ago, Enrique523 said:

I can't at people unironically saying that dating men is what made her famous. The misogyny is insane 

 

Taylor already had massive selling albums WAY before the media started to concentrate so much on her dating life.

It didn't make her famous but it elevated her career if it wasn't the men she dated it was her one sided feud with Kanye West

[Smilers]

As a musician and artist, Taylor.

 

As a tabloid fodder, Britney.

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Exactly. John Mayer, Jake Gyllenhaal, Harry Styles, Calvin Harris and Tom Hiddleston were instrumental in giving her projects attention. That is a fact. She is just as much tabloid fodder as Britney was.

If you want to attribute Taylor's fame to any single man, that man is Kanye West. Her relationship with John Mayer was an unremarkable blip aside from like two songs they wrote about each other. The Jake Gyllenhaal relationship didn't matter until Swifties made All Too Well her biggest cult classic song. Taylor was already eons more famous than Harry when they started dating, and if anything it was Taylor who made Harry a relevant celebrity figure. Calvin and Tom happened so late in her career that she'd already hit her first career peak before them, and they were just background noise. You can argue that the men she dated drew attention to her music, but it's not as if the majority of her consumption between 2008 and 2012 didn't come from her fans who didn't give a **** about her relationships aside from giving them a target to hate (but not now). If you want to claim Taylor is just as much tabloid fodder as Britney, that's fine... but Taylor is and has been more than tabloid fodder in a way that Britney hasn't been in over 2 decades. 

[Solaria]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

It didn't make her famous but it elevated her career if it wasn't the men she dated it was her one sided feud with Kanye West

Exactly. I'm not denying that her debut album and Fearless weren't succesful, they absolutely were. But the boost she got from the men she dated and the Kanye incident was very influential in her career becoming as big as it was and still is. Swifties still to this day speculate which songs, even on her most recent projects, are about her exes. So for certain stans here to say that Britney is nothing more than tabloid fodder while Taylor is no better, is hypocritical.

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Exactly. I'm not denying that her debut album and Fearless weren't succesful, they absolutely were. But the boost she got from the men she dated and the Kanye incident was very influential in her career becoming as big as it was and still is. Swifties still to this day speculate which songs, even on her most recent projects, are about her exes. So for certain stans here to say that Britney is nothing more than tabloid fodder while Taylor is no better, is hypocritical.

Agree none of the Swifties have ever talked about her music without speculating what song is about Joe or Harry. Her feud with that actress; Camilla Belle was possibly her biggest career moment prior to the Kanye incident 

Edited April 16, 2023 by Josh

[Solaria]

1 minute ago, wastedpotential said:

If you want to attribute Taylor's fame to any single man, that man is Kanye West. Her relationship with John Mayer was an unremarkable blip aside from like two songs they wrote about each other. The Jake Gyllenhaal relationship didn't matter until Swifties made All Too Well her biggest cult classic song. Taylor was already eons more famous than Harry when they started dating, and if anything it was Taylor who made Harry a relevant celebrity figure. Calvin and Tom happened so late in her career that she'd already hit her first career peak before them, and they were just background noise. You can argue that the men she dated drew attention to her music, but it's not as if the majority of her consumption between 2008 and 2012 didn't come from her fans who didn't give a **** about her relationships aside from giving them a target to hate (but not now). If you want to claim Taylor is just as much tabloid fodder as Britney, that's fine... but Taylor is and has been more than tabloid fodder in a way that Britney hasn't been in over 2 decades. 

So you agree then that she still uses men she dated in the past to give her songs more attention in the present in 2021? While you just some posts ago said that Taylor was able to move beyond that and solely get attention for her output:

 

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What I've been trying to say is that Taylor started as a massive celebrity figure (which can mostly be attributed to the Kanye incident at the VMAs and not any of her boyfriends, regardless) but that she was able to move beyond that and become famous for her talents and her output and her successes

Thank you for confirming that Taylor still uses her celebrity status to her benefit and that it's critical in her success. That's all I needed to hear 

[Michael196]

The way this site is stuck living in the past…

pretty sure op is referring to today as in 2023

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Love Again said:

Exactly. I'm not denying that her debut album and Fearless weren't succesful, they absolutely were. But the boost she got from the men she dated and the Kanye incident was very influential in her career becoming as big as it was and still is. Swifties still to this day speculate which songs, even on her most recent projects, are about her exes. So for certain stans here to say that Britney is nothing more than tabloid fodder while Taylor is no better, is hypocritical.

Taylor is better than tabloid fodder, though, in a way that Britney is not and has not been since 2004. Has there been any relevant discourse about Britney since 2003 that didn't have to do with who she was dating or what she'd been spotted doing or the conservatorship? Taylor had a period (2009-2012) where a lot of her press was based around the men she dated or Kanye, but by the time 1989 rolled around in 2014, her music and her personal narrative was what drove her fame. Even when she was making music about personal tabloid drama (ie LWYMMD), most of the conversation was still about the qualities of the music and the video, and not about what had happened with Kim/Kanye. 

[Axelios]

5 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Exactly. I'm not denying that her debut album and Fearless weren't succesful, they absolutely were. But the boost she got from the men she dated and the Kanye incident was very influential in her career becoming as big as it was and still is. Swifties still to this day speculate which songs, even on her most recent projects, are about her exes. So for certain stans here to say that Britney is nothing more than tabloid fodder while Taylor is no better, is hypocritical.

And yet the album that came just after the Kanye incident was an underperformance for her. The thing is that Taylor status as a celebrity has little to do with the success of her music.

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, Michael196 said:

The way this site is stuck living in the past…

pretty sure op is referring to today as in 2023

They didn't say any time frame they said overall

[Josh]

Just now, Axelios said:

And yet the album that came just after the Kanye incident was an underperformance for her. The thing is that Taylor status as a celebrity has little to do with the success of her music.

It wasn't until her break up with Harry is when people started paying attention to her musically

[Michael196]

12 minutes ago, Josh said:

No she just needs to write about her current ex to get any relevance to her music 

Wouln’t expect someone that’s stuck in 2011 to know what’s going on today

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

It wasn't until her break up with Harry is when people started paying attention to her musically

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

It wasn't until her break up with Harry is when people started paying attention to her musically

As if people have paid attention to Britney's music since 2000 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

It wasn't until her break up with Harry is when people started paying attention to her musically

You can't be serious. This has to be the most delusional statement ever said on this site and that's saying something 

[Cleanromantic]

3 minutes ago, Michael196 said:

The way this site is stuck living in the past…

pretty sure op is referring to today as in 2023

Only on atrl do you have people actually seriously discussing Britney's merits as an artist, it's wild .

[Cleanromantic]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

It wasn't until her break up with Harry is when people started paying attention to her musically

Just as I said, delusional .