poll Bigger career: Taylor Swift or Britney Spears?

[Blackout2006]

4 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

I love users screaming about Britney's impact as if 95% of the things she "brought to the table" were shamelessly taken from Madonna or Janet (

I can apply the same argument and say that Taylor just took from crossover artists like Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson who crossed over to pop, way before Taylor was even born. Almost every artist is inspired by a preceding artist, and there is nothing wrong with it. You can argue that Britney took the good girl gone bad model from Janet but didn't we see a bigger wave of artists following that very same model after Britney's third album in the 2000s? (Rihanna, Selena Gomez, Miley Cyrus, etc).

 

Besides that, BOMT is one of Britney's most influential albums and it has a teen-pop sound. When did Janet or Madonna ever embark on a teen-pop project? What even  

[Wolf Alice]

Chile the fumes just answer the question and move on 

[Josh]

1 minute ago, Blackout2006 said:

I can apply the same argument and say that Taylor just took from crossover artists like Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson who crossed over to pop, way before Taylor was even born. Almost every artist is inspired by a preceding artist, and there is nothing wrong with it. You can argue that Britney took the good girl gone bad model from Janet but didn't we see a bigger wave of artists following that very same model after Britney's third album in the 2000s? (Rihanna, Selena Gomez, Miley Cyrus, etc).

 

Besides that, BOMT is one of Britney's most influential albums and it has a teen-pop sound. When did Janet or Madonna ever embark on a teen-pop project? What even  

Without Shania, Faith, Reba and Dolly there'd be no Taylor Swift without those women

[Blackout2006]

4 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Madonna and Janet weren’t responsible for bringing teen pop back to the charts and making it an extremely profitable business model. Labels were literally scraping for blonde pop girls after Britney debuted, there came a TON after her.

 

They also didn’t release Blackout which was influential in pushing electropop and dance music to the mainstream along with Kanye’s ‘Stronger’

 

Madonna and Janet weren’t in conservatorships that led the State of California to reexamine the legal and ethical process of conservatorships.

 

Madonna and Janet aren’t referenced in hyperpop stylistically through artists like Charli XCX, Slayyyter and Kim Petras in the way that Britney is.

 

So yes, while Britney has certainly been influenced a lot by Madonna and Janet, she still has her own points of impact on pop culture and pop music that had nothing to do with them.

TEACH!  I don't know why they have to shun, insult, and make fun of the efforts of veteran singers such as Britney, or even Madonna, to elevate Taylor Swift. Stanning a female artist does not hide their misogyny

[wastedpotential]

Just now, Love Again said:

Madonna and Janet weren’t responsible for bringing teen pop back to the charts and making it an extremely profitable business model. Labels were literally scraping for blonde pop girls after Britney debuted, there came a TON after her.

 

I will grant you this, in terms of teen-pop. However, all impact in dancing or video styling or performance choices or whatever was 100% done first by Madonna or Janet. 

 

1 minute ago, Love Again said:

They also didn’t release Blackout which was influential in pushing electropop and dance music to the mainstream along with Kanye’s ‘Stronger’

 

Loose came out the year before and was about 500 times more successful and notable in every aspect. Blackout was 'influential' upon a few albums that followed it, sure, but it's not a defining album of the genre or of the decade in the way y'all hype it up to be. 

 

4 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Madonna and Janet weren’t in conservatorships that led the State of California to reexamine the legal and ethical process of conservatorships.

And this comes from Britney's status as a tabloid magnet. There are plenty of other artists who have been in abusive conservatorships, before and after Britney, but it was her celebrity status that brought the attention onto the issue, nothing more. 

 

5 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Madonna and Janet aren’t referenced in hyperpop stylistically through artists like Charli XCX, Slayyyter and Kim Petras in the way that Britney is.

 

... sure? I (and 99% of the population) don't listen to hyperpop, so I (and 99% of the population) have missed feeling her impact here. 

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

All people talk about Taylor are her relationships

Not when most of the press about Taylor concerns her musical output or her gargantuan tour or her financial success or her charitable actions. In the past week, sure a lot of attention has been devoted to her breakup, but as someone who closely follows her press, claiming that it's always this way is incorrect. There were thousands of people on twitter alone in the comments of news articles about their breakup saying they didn't know she'd been in a relationship for 6 years..., which would not be the case if the only thing people talked about were her relationships.  

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said:

TEACH!  I don't know why they have to shun, insult, and make fun of the efforts of veteran singers such as Britney, or even Madonna, to elevate Taylor Swift. Stanning a female artist does not hide their misogyny

Also just because Britney's career is Janet-lite doesn't mean she was inspired by Janet. Plus Janet's choreography was from Paula Abdul anyways. 

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The Britney set up

[Josh]

Just now, wastedpotential said:

Not when most of the press about Taylor concerns her musical output or her gargantuan tour or her financial success or her charitable actions. In the past week, sure a lot of attention has been devoted to her breakup, but as someone who closely follows her press, claiming that it's always this way is incorrect. There were thousands of people on twitter alone in the comments of news articles about their breakup saying they didn't know she'd been in a relationship for 6 years..., which would not be the case if the only thing people talked about were her relationships.  

But what talks of Taylor's life & career get the click views and tabloids talking? her relationships 

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I don't think you have to ask.

Taylor.

[Blackout2006]

2 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Loose came out the year before and was about 500 times more successful and notable in every aspect. Blackout was 'influential' upon a few albums that followed it, sure, but it's not a defining album of the genre or of the decade in the way y'all hype it up to be.

Loose is an electronic album in the sense that it leans towards the Rn'B side, while Blackout is the opposite. It is an electronic-dance album and takes notes from genres like dubstep, and synth-pop. 'The Fame' sounds like a graduate of the Blackout sound, rather than the sound of Loose for example

[Cleanromantic]

Taylor in every way possible. I understand the Britney stans already melting down though, she should be compared to artists who had a similar typical pop star shelf life like Katy and Gaga and not with someone on Taylor's level.

[Blackout2006]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

Also just because Britney's career is Janet-lite doesn't mean she was inspired by Janet. Plus Janet's choreography was from Paula Abdul anyways. 

That just circles us back to the same point that artists will always take from their preceding artists. I don't know why they only like calling Britney out for it, when it is how 99% of the industry works. Many artists wouldn't have been singers had it not been for an inspiration.

[Josh]

Just now, Cleanromantic said:

Taylor in every way possible. I understand the Britney stans already melting down though, she should be compared to artists who had a similar typical pop star shelf life like Katy and Gaga and not with someone on Taylor's level.

What level is that? Cause I can think of more iconic Britney performances than Taylor performances. You've seen one Taylor performance you've seen them all

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

What level is that? Cause I can think of more iconic Britney performances than Taylor performances. You've seen one Taylor performance you've seen them all

Maybe if the general public agreed with your opinions she would be on the same level of success as Taylor, but that doesn't seem to be the case...

[Blackout2006]

1 minute ago, Cleanromantic said:

Taylor in every way possible. I understand the Britney stans already melting down though, she should be compared to artists who had a similar typical pop star shelf life like Katy and Gaga and not with someone on Taylor's level.

Katy- 2008-2015 (7 years)

Gaga- 2008-2013, 2019 (6 years)

 

Britney- 1998-2013 (15 years)

Taylor Swift- 2006-2023 (16 or 17 years)

 Seems that they are both within the same range only

[wastedpotential]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

But what talks of Taylor's life & career get the click views and tabloids talking? her relationships 

This is not true in the slightest. In 2022/2023, the biggest 'clicks and views' moments Taylor has had were when she gave the commencement address at NYU, when she was rumoured to headline the Super Bowl, when she released Midnights, when she broke Ticketmaster, when she kicked off the Eras Tour, and then when she broke up with her boyfriend. It's disingenuous to claim that all of these notable events were ignored in favour of people spending that entire time discussing her seemingly healthy 6 year old relationship, which again, the majority of people did not even know she was in 

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1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

This is not true in the slightest. In 2022/2023, the biggest 'clicks and views' moments Taylor has had were when she gave the commencement address at NYU, when she was rumoured to headline the Super Bowl, when she released Midnights, when she broke Ticketmaster, when she kicked off the Eras Tour, and then when she broke up with her boyfriend. It's disingenuous to claim that all of these notable events were ignored in favour of people spending that entire time discussing her seemingly healthy 6 year old relationship, which again, the majority of people did not even know she was in 

Exactly 

[Solaria]

7 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Not when most of the press about Taylor concerns her musical output or her gargantuan tour or her financial success or her charitable actions. In the past week, sure a lot of attention has been devoted to her breakup, but as someone who closely follows her press, claiming that it's always this way is incorrect. There were thousands of people on twitter alone in the comments of news articles about their breakup saying they didn't know she'd been in a relationship for 6 years..., which would not be the case if the only thing people talked about were her relationships.  

Do you honestly think Taylor would have been at the level of her fame INITIALLY if it wasn't for her dating famous men? Swifties literally breathe and live off of disecting and analyzing which songs and which lyrics are about the famous men she dated in the past. If Speak Now and Red were about random nobodies and not A-listers they would have never had the success that they had. So who exactly is the tabloid fodder here? 

[Josh]

Just now, Love Again said:

Do you honestly think Taylor would have been at the level of her fame INITIALLY if it wasn't for her dating famous men? Swifties literally breathe and live off of disecting and analyzing which songs and which lyrics are about the famous men she dated in the past. If Speak Now and Red were about random nobodies and not A-listers they would have never had the success that they had. So who exactly is the tabloid fodder here? 

What I've been saying this whole time. in 2008-2009 it was nothing but about her dating famous men and writing about them. her most famous ex was John Mayer

[wastedpotential]

Just now, Love Again said:

Do you honestly think Taylor would have been at the level of her fame INITIALLY if it wasn't for her dating famous men? Swifties literally breathe and live off of disecting and analyzing which songs and which lyrics are about the famous men she dated in the past. If Speak Now and Red were about random nobodies and not A-listers they would have never had the success that they had. So who exactly is the tabloid fodder here? 

Well then Taylor is actually bigger than Britney in literally every single aspect then. Multiple swifties in this thread have admitted to giving Britney the 'tabloid fodder'/'bigger celebrity' title because she had nothing else over Taylor, but if you'd prefer, we can attribute that to Taylor as well. As such, Britney's career cannot be reasonably compared as a similar case to Taylor's, in any aspect. 

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36 minutes ago, Josh said:

Like Taylor's entire career isn't based on who she dates shes more of a tabloid fodder than Britney 

Lol Taylor causes conversations daily even without lifting a finger let alone when she actually does, she doesn’t need to embarrass herself on instagram to get noticed…

[Cleanromantic]

4 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

This is not true in the slightest. In 2022/2023, the biggest 'clicks and views' moments Taylor has had were when she gave the commencement address at NYU, when she was rumoured to headline the Super Bowl, when she released Midnights, when she broke Ticketmaster, when she kicked off the Eras Tour, and then when she broke up with her boyfriend. It's disingenuous to claim that all of these notable events were ignored in favour of people spending that entire time discussing her seemingly healthy 6 year old relationship, which again, the majority of people did not even know she was in 

Why are you taking anything the Britney stans say seriously, they're the most delusional bunch on the internet :deadbanana:. Just nod and smile and let them be.

[Solaria]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

What I've been saying this whole time. in 2008-2009 it was nothing but about her dating famous men and writing about them. her most famous ex was John Mayer

Exactly. John Mayer, Jake Gyllenhaal, Harry Styles, Calvin Harris and Tom Hiddleston were instrumental in giving her projects attention. That is a fact. She is just as much tabloid fodder as Britney was.

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Do you honestly think Taylor would have been at the level of her fame INITIALLY if it wasn't for her dating famous men? Swifties literally breathe and live off of disecting and analyzing which songs and which lyrics are about the famous men she dated in the past. If Speak Now and Red were about random nobodies and not A-listers they would have never had the success that they had. So who exactly is the tabloid fodder here? 

Was dating famous men what allowed her to have a 7×platinium album in 2006?

Edited April 16, 2023 by Axelios