news Biden Administration allows schools to ban trans kids from sports

[ClashAndBurn]

Wow, the HRC is actually a joke. I’m shocked

[Flare]

Y’all going to update the thread with the fact the original person who tweeted out the “breaking news” backtracked and had to get others to help him understand the law change?

 

Also, an actual prominent transgender rights lawyer praising the change?

 

Like I said, ATRL spreads so much lies and hate these days yet the mods swear they’re doing an amazing job in making this site a safe space.

 

Consistently, a part of the problem and not helping drive solutions. The bare minimum would be to not let this site be a driver of misinformation. 

[ClashAndBurn]

its not misinformation if your counterfactuals are based in the “hope” that Republicans are good people who won’t dare act in bad faith. Like I said to someone else in another thread, this provides loopholes that can easily be exploited and Biden does absolutely nothing to address.

 

”Oh so you’ll let us ban on the basis of the individuals not having proper hormone levels? Well, we’ve already banned HRT for minors so by default, the trans-identifying child can’t possibly have the necessary hormone levels required. Checkmate, liberal!”

 

But alas, Biden is the one who needs to be protected from the fact that his policy has to rest on nothing but “hope,” and not the trans kids who will suffer the effects of his about-face turn.

 

 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Flare said:

Also, an actual prominent transgender rights lawyer praising the change?

I think you're my least favorite type of liberal - the paranoid kind who thinks all these immensely powerful people with more influence than anyone else in the nation are never capable of incompetence, let alone actual malice. That they can only be failed by others, never fail themselves.

 

That deference to technocratic solutions, bureaucracy, and credentialism is just a front for defending policy, rule changes and executive orders you have no actual technical, let alone material, understanding of.

 

That you care more about your overt identification with Democrats as a lifestyle brand than contributing any kind of meaningful defense that displays some nuance about objectively flawed or poorly executed moves by Dems. That it's enough for you to find a singular pro-Dem lawyer who can overlook said flaws despite the numerous lawyers involved in trans rights litigation who acknowledge the administration's proposed rule change is sloppy.

 

 

[Blankspace2010]

15 hours ago, loveisdead9582 said:

Im down for a complete overhaul of the entire system. I’m not ignorant to the fact that BOTH parties are completely out of touch and that career politicians will only ever look out for their own personal interests. I am awake. There is no manipulation here. Until an actual VIABLE plan to fix this issue comes to light though, I’m going to have to go with the lesser of two evils IF that is my only option. 

And while you’re willing to settle, no change will happen. 

[loveisdead9582]

3 hours ago, Blankspace2010 said:

And while you’re willing to settle, no change will happen. 

And until you can show that actual change is possible, you’ll be actively trying to make things worse 👍🏻

[heckinglovato]

12 hours ago, Flare said:

Y’all going to update the thread with the fact the original person who tweeted out the “breaking news” backtracked and had to get others to help him understand the law change?

 

Also, an actual prominent transgender rights lawyer praising the change?

 

Like I said, ATRL spreads so much lies and hate these days yet the mods swear they’re doing an amazing job in making this site a safe space.

 

Consistently, a part of the problem and not helping drive solutions. The bare minimum would be to not let this site be a driver of misinformation. 

 

"I don't think it will" - not very reassuring of that trans rights lawyer, is it?

[karron0624]

7 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

 

"I don't think it will" - not very reassuring of that trans rights lawyer, is it?

There are no yes and nos in the legal system. Properly, we respond to questions as:

 

Most likely Yes (meaning yes baring a court ruling)

probably Yes (meaning yes, but a lot of gray area)

Probably No( meaning no, but a lot of gray area)

most likely no (meaning No, baring a court ruling).

 

You only get those straightforward answers if your being paid and drafting a memo, arguing in front of a court. Outside of those settings, you switch everything to an opinion because someone who is not your client will take what you say at face value, and then attempt to sue you if a court does not agree with your opinion (and our EOC does not cover random twitter users taking any comments we say at face value). Unless you are actually being represented by an attorney (i dont think so) or (imo) are proper answers, especially in something as contentious as this.

[Flare]

Known Biden haters jumping on me basically saying “you’re a d-mb liberal, what do you know” when I’m not even a registered Democrat. Perfect example of what I’m talking about. 

 

None of those talking points work on me and as an actual trans activist in the *REAL WORLD* not just on online forums/twitter, I don’t care what y’all got going on with pushing agendas on here. Whether the law changes or not, I still have actual work to do on this front and will keep doing it.
 

Be sure to donate, aid GOTV efforts, and help protest not just rant online if you actually care.

 

Edit: bonus points to the smart person who put a Tweet from Ezra who is a known Biden hater too. 

I’m not entertaining discussions from people who have built in biases and don’t attempt to be unbiased. Just say you hate (insert politician) and have no real argument against what they’re doing. 

Edited April 8, 2023 by Flare

[Communion]

12 minutes ago, Flare said:

 

Edit: bonus points to the smart person who put a Tweet from Ezra who is a known Biden hater too. 

"This trans lawyer isn't allowed to be cited as an expert because they are a proud HATER of our wonderful POTUS!!"

 

"links to mild criticism that Dems should be nominating more pro-autonomy judges and at faster rates*

 

What the **** are you talking about?  i'm sorry but this is why liberals get mocked. What did you think this tweet showed that made your dismissal of legal experts' criticisms valid? 

 

Genuinely, as someone whose lack of emotional attachment to Democrats is rooted in growing up poor, I have to question the kind of privileges held by people who have the kind of emotional outbursts you're having over general disapproval of the Democratic establishment. It's just odd. You've recoiled in frustration from being unable to articulate whatever point you're trying to make to lashing out about about "these losers posting online" while...posting online? 

Edited April 8, 2023 by Communion

[Communion]

Parasocial relationships with political figures and identifying with political parties like as though they're lifestyle brands is how you come to the conclusion that a Warren2020 -> Biden2020 anti-socialism liberal lawyerr criticizing Biden's flawed approach to legallh defending a minority group they're apart of is a "Biden hater":

 

 

 

 

 

@Flare You're not supposed to stop at the first tweet you find when searching "Biden from:[user]". The calls are coming from inside your own home while you rant and scream about progressives hating Biden. 

 

[VOSS]

What do people want to happen here, have it based on self-ID?

[RunUpDoneUp]

Biden will never be a Bernie. He's the choice people are comfortable with in the democratic party and as always, the comfort of the people will always betray the needed action of the minority.

 

Dems are never going to do what is necessary because they benefit from a system that naturally leads to abuse of power by rightwingers. Until that benefit ends, they will never take the actions that solve issues.

 

The party of half measures and stop caps.

 

Though the sports issue is a wedge issue, the sacrificing of the few for the peace of the many will always be the liberal choice and that's why liberals and conservatives are more alike than they are apart fundamentally. They don't fix defunct systems, they manipulate it.

[Communion]

19 minutes ago, VOSS said:

What do people want to happen here, have it based on self-ID?

What hormone levels do you propose Becky be required to meet?

 

 

 

[VOSS]

16 minutes ago, Communion said:

What hormone levels do you propose Becky be required to meet?

 

 

 

I typed out a response but then deleted it. I suppose at the end of the day it’s a bad idea to give the right even an inch on these issues.

[GhostBox]

Its a very new issue that’s gonna take A lot of time to figure out all the legal issues and court cases. 
 

The same happened with black right and gay rights. 

 

hopefully this all gets settled quicker than what I think it will. 

[Vermillion]

On 4/7/2023 at 4:41 PM, ClashAndBurn said:

Wow, the HRC is actually a joke. I’m shocked

I'm shocked you're shocked. HRC on most of the gay blogs has been known for over a decade as behind cocktail parties and not in the trenches. That naturally translates to providing political cover for neolibs for 2024 instead of actually sticking their necks out and risking a political fight.  

 

I donate to Lambda Legal, Rainbow Railroad, the Ali Forney Center, and a trans youth group Umbrella in Greater Boston my family friend runs that's part of Out MetroWest.

[Headlock]

2 hours ago, Flare said:

Be sure to donate, aid GOTV efforts, and help protest not just rant online if you actually care.

This self-read 

[Headlock]

1 hour ago, GhostBox said:

Its a very new issue that’s gonna take A lot of time to figure out all the legal issues and court cases. 
 

The same happened with black right and gay rights. 

 

hopefully this all gets settled quicker than what I think it will. 

Do… do you think black and gay rights have been settled? 
That is not the analogy you want to make for an optimistic outlook for a “conclusion” on trans rights 

[ClashAndBurn]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

"This trans lawyer isn't allowed to be cited as an expert because they are a proud HATER of our wonderful POTUS!!"

 

"links to mild criticism that Dems should be nominating more pro-autonomy judges and at faster rates*

 

What the **** are you talking about?  i'm sorry but this is why liberals get mocked. What did you think this tweet showed that made your dismissal of legal experts' criticisms valid? 

 

Genuinely, as someone whose lack of emotional attachment to Democrats is rooted in growing up poor, I have to question the kind of privileges held by people who have the kind of emotional outbursts you're having over general disapproval of the Democratic establishment. It's just odd. You've recoiled in frustration from being unable to articulate whatever point you're trying to make to lashing out about about "these losers posting online" while...posting online? 

Wait. WHY is @Flare touting Biden slow-walking nominations as a good thing?!?!?!?!?!?!

Edited April 8, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[Bloo]

5 hours ago, GhostBox said:

Its a very new issue that’s gonna take A lot of time to figure out all the legal issues and court cases. 
 

The same happened with black right and gay rights. 

It’s 2023, a year where countless legislation have been introduced targeting gay people, and you think gay rights have been settled?  

[Miss Show Business]

So, the title of this thread and the general reaction of the internet turned out to be completely misleading... No surprise, there. I'm going to wait until more legal experts chime in before reacting. According to this break down, none of the states banning trans inclusion would pass the Biden administration's rules and thus could be subjected to lawsuits.

 

 

 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

turned out to be completely misleading

People upset with Biden: *upset over the DoE misguidedly deciding a technocratic approach to concede there could be unfair realities that trans students possess over cis students - introducing language of "fairness" that never existed before within Title IX into the new rule - will better ensure that the intent of this rule change regarding blanket bans survives legal scrutiny*

 

You: THIS IS ALL MISLEADING AND A LIE!!!!!!11

 

Your source material for this claim: *acknowledges that there are indeed likely cases where states or schools will very easily and successfully ban the participation of trans athletes in specific types sports*

 

"But will these red states REALLY go that far to ban few trans students??" YES??  
"Do we REALLY want biological males BOXING or WRESTLING small, frail cis women?" is literally a Joe Rogan talking point meant to inspire transphobia. 

Edited April 9, 2023 by Communion

[ClashAndBurn]

56 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

So, the title of this thread and the general reaction of the internet turned out to be completely misleading... No surprise, there. I'm going to wait until more legal experts chime in before reacting. According to this break down, none of the states banning trans inclusion would pass the Biden administration's rules and thus could be subjected to lawsuits.

 

 

 

The legal experts being cited by you and Flare WANT the Democratic Party to look good, so they're interpreting it with rosiest of tinted glasses possible. It relies on Republicans responding in good faith, and Title IX has always been more of a guideline for schools if they want to be eligible for federal funding. Title IX has no legal impact on state laws. 

 

Biden can in theory threaten to withhold funds from a state that bans trans athletes, but do you think he will do that? Do you truly believe he will choke out public education in the entire state of Utah over less than a handful of children?

 

If anything, Title IX will be challenged all the way up to the exact institution that struck down Roe v. Wade, and will probably be banning Mifepristone shortly.

[Cryptique]

COMPETITIVE SPORTS is about FAIR PLAY, so unless the hormones level aint approved by professionals or somethn then I'm with Biden on this one..

 

i mean, drugs that can boosts hormone levels are BANNED for a reason..