news Biden Administration allows schools to ban trans kids from sports

[Headlock]

7 hours ago, Communion said:

Walmart Mike's alt account found!

 

The kind of technocratic nonsense required to think "let's not affirm that Title IX includes gender identity outright to avoid a legal challenge but compromise in rules of a branch of government *we solely control* by arguing there is a legal pathway where banning individual trans people has merit within Title IX" is a good idea is what you get when people are focused more on electoral outcomes than ensuring a decent quality of life.

 

It can only be a political "win" if you're a politician who cares more of optics than the myriad of trans teens who'll be forced into court battles with little help from a DoE that often goes against Biden's own claims (see: them suing disabled people with student debt).

 

"Let's force red school districts to flood the courts to make them WORK for it" is a good idea for everyone but the actual people involved. A 9th grade trans girl shouldn't have to wait through 5 years of appeals through right wing courts and arguments about her hormone levels to play amateur softball to the point of not getting to play anyway.

 

But you see, it doesn't require federal Dems to *checks notes* do their job of legislating or utilizing executive powers, which could play poorly in 2024, so a win's a win.

Honestly this needs to be pinned the top, THIS is the issue with people trying to spin this legislation to be a positive thing. Whether or not you want to portray this as some 4D chess move from Biden does not speak to the literal children this will affect for most of their childhood. Like, let’s assume this does work as @Kassi says, and leaves Republicans caught in a web of lawsuits and court hearings (never mind the fact that Trump packed the courts but ok), what happens to the trans children and teens who are the SUBJECT of this? They get to be broadcast to the world as faces of this culture war and traumatized by years of legal battles. That is not a “win.”

Edited April 7, 2023 by Headlock

[Specter]

Wow this sure showed the 3? 4? young trans athletes!  Get 'em!!

 

In all seriousness, even if there were an actually sizeable number of trans athletes - this horrific ban wouldn't be any more justified; I'm just...stunned that America so deeply hates trans people that it is willing, able, and happy to target them in single digits via bans

 

I don't ever wanna hear "TINY MINORITY!!!" from RW demagogues ever again as a reason to handwave away legislation that /actually/ aims to benefit marginalized people, since they clearly have no issues harassing and gunning after fractions of a fractions of a fraction.

 

[shyboi]

but i thought they were on LGBTQ+ 'S side? 

[khalyan]

1 hour ago, Frozen99 said:

 

i agree with you but

 

i recently read world athletics also banned athletes from some sports

here: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/23/sport/world-athletics-transgender-ruling-spt-intl/index.html

Caster Semenya isn’t trans 

[Aethereal]

He was pandering from day one.

[i spit on haters]

Wow. Admittedly, even I'm surprised by this. 

[Vroom Vroom]

I wonder if he will backtrack on this. In the past when he received massive backlash from the left he would switch gears. Like when he announced that he was going to end the eviction moratorium and then the left pushed him to extend it (then it was struck down by the Supreme Court) 

 

These past few months have been really disappointing. 2023 is really his republican era. He was doing really good in 2022 with the Inflation Reduction Act, Build Back Better Act, CHIPS and Science Act, Respect for Marriage Act, Student Loan Forgiveness Plan, and nominating Ketanji Brown Jackson. 2022 alone probably made Biden’s presidency the most productive presidency in the past 30 years. Though the bar was extremely low. 
 

Anyway, this compromise was extremely unnecessary. It is such a nonissue right now. Biden’s team should have just kept quiet about it. Part of me thinks that he is trying to cozy up to moderate Republicans in the house so that they don’t impeach him. Since the republicans majority is so small, they really need everyone on board to go through with it 

[Vermillion]

4 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said:

Anyway, this compromise was extremely unnecessary. It is such a nonissue right now. Biden’s team should have just kept quiet about it. Part of me thinks that he is trying to cozy up to moderate Republicans in the house so that they don’t impeach him. Since the republicans majority is so small, they really need everyone on board to go through with it 

This has nothing to do with cozying up to moderate Republicans in the House, who will be logjammed with the MAGA Republicans who want a grand jury impaneled over Hunter Biden regardless. 

 

This is entirely about 2024, imho.

[John Slayne]

16 hours ago, Helios said:

Another bash Biden thread. We are on a roll this week.  

Are we supposed to congratulate him for doing this?  It's a sh*t policy, just because Biden is a Democrat does not mean the policy is automatically good.

[loveisdead9582]

7 hours ago, Blankspace2010 said:

Democrats are weak. Hoping Biden gets hammered by the Republicans in the 2024. At least republicans are honest and transparent about their discrimination. 

So we’re going to give them a platform to openly enact as many discriminatory laws as possible??? No. This is a crappy law no doubt but we see what’s happening with Republicans in states enacting drag and trans bans. All of those would be multiplied exponentially. 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Vroom Vroom said:

I wonder if he will backtrack on this. In the past when he received massive backlash from the left he would switch gears. Like when he announced that he was going to end the eviction moratorium and then the left pushed him to extend it (then it was struck down by the Supreme Court) 

 

These past few months have been really disappointing. 2023 is really his republican era. He was doing really good in 2022 with the Inflation Reduction Act, Build Back Better Act, CHIPS and Science Act, Respect for Marriage Act, Student Loan Forgiveness Plan, and nominating Ketanji Brown Jackson. 2022 alone probably made Biden’s presidency the most productive presidency in the past 30 years. Though the bar was extremely low. 
 

Anyway, this compromise was extremely unnecessary. It is such a nonissue right now. Biden’s team should have just kept quiet about it. Part of me thinks that he is trying to cozy up to moderate Republicans in the house so that they don’t impeach him. Since the republicans majority is so small, they really need everyone on board to go through with it 

It’s less because of House Republicans, and more because he has a much more conservative Chief Of Staff advising him and driving policy direction now. The Warren staffers in his administration probably aren’t getting listened to nearly as much as they were under Ron Klain.

[Cherish]

17 hours ago, Lipgloss said:

Trump wouldn't do this

Trump would have never approved it, but still **** Biden 

[Brooklyn Baby]

12 hours ago, khalyan said:

Also, to be fair to @Helios I actually find viewpoints other than my own really interesting and I like opening my eyes to viewpoints I don't share, especially on issues that I'm not super strong on (such as Biden's impact on the dollar) which is why I was wanting you to elaborate the other day.  

 

I don't share every opinion as users like @ClashAndBurn or @Communion who tend to be more to the left of me, but I do find that they can explain their points rather well for me to at least understand where they are coming from and for those few issues I disagree with, I'll try to be as detailed about why I feel that way and they've never called me an idiot or insulted me, even when I wasn't a mod.

 

The issue with trans people in sports is something that can need some nuance, but there really isn't any documented extreme dominance by a trans athlete on record.  The closet that I'm aware of is Lia Thomas, but even her national title in the 500 free had a time more than 10 seconds slower than Katie Ledecky in the same race five years before that.   So in my opinion, it's disappointing to see Biden will allow states to make these restrictive laws especially when it's affecting like 8 kids nationwide and none of them are exhibiting extreme dominance that the right is afraid of.

 

People forgot that you're allowed to disagree on political views and still be civil and respectful. Some far right or left leaning people just result to insulting others without trying to understand other people's viewpoints

[Vermillion]

Kind of on-the-nose this was happening at the same time

 

[ClashAndBurn]

7 minutes ago, Espresso said:

Kind of on-the-nose this was happening at the same time

 

Erin even mentioned this at the end of her thread yesterday:

 

 

Seems intentional to me.

[Oktober Knight]

Elizabeth Warren was right there 

[ClashAndBurn]

 

[MermaidPrincess]

that's ignorant 

 

why do people care If others are trans?

 

how does it personally affect you and WHY do you need to know if somebody has certain genitals? 

 

 

 

[nick4bty]

4 hours ago, Vroom Vroom said:

I wonder if he will backtrack on this. In the past when he received massive backlash from the left he would switch gears. Like when he announced that he was going to end the eviction moratorium and then the left pushed him to extend it (then it was struck down by the Supreme Court) 

 

These past few months have been really disappointing. 2023 is really his republican era. He was doing really good in 2022 with the Inflation Reduction Act, Build Back Better Act, CHIPS and Science Act, Respect for Marriage Act, Student Loan Forgiveness Plan, and nominating Ketanji Brown Jackson. 2022 alone probably made Biden’s presidency the most productive presidency in the past 30 years. Though the bar was extremely low. 
 

Anyway, this compromise was extremely unnecessary. It is such a nonissue right now. Biden’s team should have just kept quiet about it. Part of me thinks that he is trying to cozy up to moderate Republicans in the house so that they don’t impeach him. Since the republicans majority is so small, they really need everyone on board to go through with it 

How exactly is 2023 his republican era? lmao. What are you even talking about? Of course he can't pass any more big legislation because he lost a chamber of commerce. He's made two great liberal-minded vetoes this year and is holding tough against the House on the budget. He could care less about moderate Republicans in the house, or any Republicans for that matter. He's simply trying to find common ground on a regulation that all people can agree on, which is obviously a monumental task and virtually impossible because no matter what he does, people aren't going to be happy. I don't understand why finding common ground us automatically such an awful thing for liberals. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm not instantly blinded into thinking every policy needs to be as liberal as it can possibly be or nothing. That's ridiculous, and that's not how things should be done. 

[Blankspace2010]

3 hours ago, loveisdead9582 said:

So we’re going to give them a platform to openly enact as many discriminatory laws as possible??? No. This is a crappy law no doubt but we see what’s happening with Republicans in states enacting drag and trans bans. All of those would be multiplied exponentially. 

Girl the reason America is going backwards is because liberals are refusing to acknowledge that democrats and republicans are the same party. 

[loveisdead9582]

5 minutes ago, Blankspace2010 said:

Girl the reason America is going backwards is because liberals are refusing to acknowledge that democrats and republicans are the same party. 

I’m certainly not delusional enough to sit here and say that democrats don’t have a lot of issues. Moderate dems are just Republican lite. What you suggested is simply giving up on any progress and straight up handing the ability to persecute entire marginalized groups to some of the biggest bigots out there. 

[Vroom Vroom]

36 minutes ago, nick4bty said:

How exactly is 2023 his republican era? lmao. What are you even talking about? Of course he can't pass any more big legislation because he lost a chamber of commerce. He's made two great liberal-minded vetoes this year and is holding tough against the House on the budget. He could care less about moderate Republicans in the house, or any Republicans for that matter. He's simply trying to find common ground on a regulation that all people can agree on, which is obviously a monumental task and virtually impossible because no matter what he does, people aren't going to be happy. I don't understand why finding common ground us automatically such an awful thing for liberals. I'm as liberal as they come, but I'm not instantly blinded into thinking every policy needs to be as liberal as it can possibly be or nothing. That's ridiculous, and that's not how things should be done. 

A few examples would be approving the Willow Project and introducing new boarder policies that are similar to Trump era boarder policies. 
 

It just seems like recently he has been going against stances that he ran on. No elected democrat is willing to run against him in 2024 so he doesn’t feel like he needs to appeal to the left wing voters because there will most likely be no democrat primary. At this point Bernie should run against him to put him back on track. A lot of the good things Biden did last year only happened because of promises he made during the democrat primary when he needed to appeal to progressive voters 

 

But I guess if he pisses off the left enough, they will elevate Marianne and make her a potential threat to his re-election bid. Not saying that she would win the nomination, but a competitive primary always hurts the incumbent in the general

 

[Frozen99]

6 hours ago, khalyan said:

Caster Semenya isn’t trans 

 my bad, i just have her connected with this topic.. but even she, not being trans, was banned from competing bc it gave her an obvious advantage.

the point from my original post stands, it's not just 'murica but also World Athletics

[Blankspace2010]

59 minutes ago, loveisdead9582 said:

I’m certainly not delusional enough to sit here and say that democrats don’t have a lot of issues. Moderate dems are just Republican lite. What you suggested is simply giving up on any progress and straight up handing the ability to persecute entire marginalized groups to some of the biggest bigots out there. 

No, I’m saying burn the current system to the ground, and start again. Two party system is not democracy. Until liberals acknowledge democrats and republicans both love this non competitive political landscape where they squeeze every last penny from lower and middle class Americans - then no change will happen.
 

Instead liberals will constantly vote in fear of republicans and republicans will vote in fear of democrats. But what’s there to fear? Nothing changes no matter who is in power, ever. There’s no motivation to change. Republicans and democrats are on the same team and they’re crushing the Americans and pushing them up the extreme out of greed. You need to wake up. You’re being manipulated into thinking democrats and republicans oppose each other. They don’t. 

[loveisdead9582]

3 hours ago, Blankspace2010 said:

No, I’m saying burn the current system to the ground, and start again. Two party system is not democracy. Until liberals acknowledge democrats and republicans both love this non competitive political landscape where they squeeze every last penny from lower and middle class Americans - then no change will happen.
 

Instead liberals will constantly vote in fear of republicans and republicans will vote in fear of democrats. But what’s there to fear? Nothing changes no matter who is in power, ever. There’s no motivation to change. Republicans and democrats are on the same team and they’re crushing the Americans and pushing them up the extreme out of greed. You need to wake up. You’re being manipulated into thinking democrats and republicans oppose each other. They don’t. 

Im down for a complete overhaul of the entire system. I’m not ignorant to the fact that BOTH parties are completely out of touch and that career politicians will only ever look out for their own personal interests. I am awake. There is no manipulation here. Until an actual VIABLE plan to fix this issue comes to light though, I’m going to have to go with the lesser of two evils IF that is my only option. 

Edited April 8, 2023 by loveisdead9582