news Biden Administration allows schools to ban trans kids from sports

[ClashAndBurn]

15 minutes ago, Keter said:

Are there a lot of trans athletes at a secondary school level? They should just eliminate gendered sports! 

In each state that is imposing these bans, you could count the number of trans athletes being barred from participation on either one or both of your hands. Utah, for example, you'd need only one finger, yet they passed an extremely restrictive law.

 

17 minutes ago, Espresso said:

I’m reminded here in Virginia of the Loudoun County sexual assault case that incited a trans youth panic with the same talking points of JK Rowling on M2F - a big factor in Youngkin’s win.

 

As for Biden, I’m not surprised, so I’m therefore not disappointed because I wasn’t expecting better. This is clearly a re-election strategy under the perverse theory mentioned on this forum already that they can afford to tack right on this issue because Trump and DeSantis have gone further right.

 

Folks here can argue that attempting to parse/separate say, trans adult employment, bathroom use, and trans minor hormone use from this is gaslighting (wrong term, eh) because these restrictions are a slippery slope, etc. I don’t disagree, but the White House wants to have it both ways - recognize trans folks in most other arenas but this one. I don’t agree with that logic, but that’s what they’re thinking.

 

Trans high school athletes are a cross section of about four different culture wars, a cross section that Chaya Raichik and Chris Rufo seem to have won for the time being. 

 

More for me to say but I’m going to wait for more statements given the fallout.

Honestly, with Zients as Chief of Staff, I would expect Biden to be advised to double down more in this direction. As, like you said, with the right edging more towards genocidal rhetoric and outright calling for transition therapy to be banned for all ages, trans people really have nowhere else to go. And Vote Blue No Matter Who implies that Democrats can and should tack more to the right to peel off Republican-adjacent voters while blatantly disrespecting leftists and oppressed minorities and ultimately getting rewarded for it.

 

Which ultimately means, I'd argue, that Biden's administration will rescind Title IX protections for trans youth to have access to the bathrooms in public schools. Also puberty blocker bans might be on the table based on research done in Europe. And more.

 

I mean... Joe Biden's RECORD is opposing integrated bussing, which his own VP called out and she ultimately fell in line behind him like the spineless coward she is as we've seen. There will be no meaningful pushback to this within the administration, I guarantee it.

Edited April 7, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[Bang Up]

Sadly, I'm not surprised. Old people on both sides of the aisle seem to be oblivious to Gen Z and the increasing power they're going to have with elections. After seeing how Gen Z won Dems 2020, 2022, and 2023, it blows my mind that this is the result; a slap in the face to the Gen Z kids who are voting for them in record numbers. Maybe the polling shows this will be a popular position among the older voters, but older voters are not showing up and are not as important as the young vote. From a political standpoint, this is just ******* dumb.

 

From a moral and ethical standpoint, this is just more cruelty against a population so small that less than a dozen kids in each of these states are even being affected. It makes no sense.

[GhostBox]

3 hours ago, Orsay said:

And that’s why we are all in for Marianne!

😂😂😂 no 

[Andre2000]

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This thread makes me realize how stupid and ignorant some people here are.

Crazy to think gays of all people would be siding with republicans and treating trans people like garbage

[Helios]

3 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The fact that the implication is that sites who don't allow criticism of Biden and US policy are good actually  

Its the opposite. On here they dont allow you to defend him without calling you an idiot or saying that you have nothing to contribute. Then the mods give you a warning point or ban you for trolling when all you did was applaud something his administration did. Its almost like everyone doesn't live inside ATRLs Biden hating bubble. Anyway, keep the Anti Biden threads coming.  

Edited April 7, 2023 by Helios

[Communion]

32 minutes ago, Helios said:

On here they dont allow you to defend him without calling you an idiot or saying that you have nothing to contribute.

...didn't the user you're quoting share news of China and Brazil working together, in reference to de-dollarization, and your response was to call him a "CHINA PROPAGANDIST" and insult a mod when they asked you to explain how sharing an article about the factual reality of China's growing sphere was - as I quote you - "fake news"?

[khalyan]

36 minutes ago, Helios said:

Its the opposite. On here they dont allow you to defend him without calling you an idiot or saying that you have nothing to contribute. Then the mods give you a warning point or ban you for trolling when all you did was applaud something his administration did. Its almost like everyone doesn't live inside ATRLs Biden hating bubble. Anyway, keep the Anti Biden threads coming.  

What are you talking about?  Not a single warning you've received has been from a Biden thread

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

46 minutes ago, Helios said:

Its the opposite. On here they dont allow you to defend him without calling you an idiot or saying that you have nothing to contribute. Then the mods give you a warning point or ban you for trolling when all you did was applaud something his administration did. Its almost like everyone doesn't live inside ATRLs Biden hating bubble. Anyway, keep the Anti Biden threads coming.  

Why are you using a thread discussing an issue where Biden has objectively taken the wrong stance and gone back on a DAY ONE PLEDGE, abandoning an oppressed minority to strawman like this? This thread has nothing to do with how you flat out slandered me and accused me of writing Chinese propaganda.  

 

10 minutes ago, khalyan said:

What are you talking about?  Not a single warning you've received has been from a Biden thread

 

 

They've been weirdly aggressive toward me since the other day. Honestly reminds me of that one user that obsessively quoted me in order to defend Biden a year or two ago. Can't remember their name though. But I remember Bloo having to tell them to stop  

[Rotunda]

I haven’t read into this yet, but did want to provide some other perspectives in case this either provides clarity or allows you all to pick these narratives apart:

 

https://twitter.com/joepostingg/status/1644095987869274113?s=46&t=HSXORJk_hE8B8l8LgCjkcw

 

 https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/1644082626024869888?s=46&t=HSXORJk_hE8B8l8LgCjkcw

 

https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/1644082629216436224?s=46&t=HSXORJk_hE8B8l8LgCjkcw

 

 I assume @ClashAndBurnand @Communion will have an illuminating response.

Edited April 7, 2023 by Rotunda

[Flare]

This being pinned to the top of the site is comedic when ATRLers spew anti-trans sentiment often enough without any warnings being given.

 

Whomever of the mods that pinned this has 0 grounds to yell “shame” at the Biden admin until this site becomes a trans friendly place. It’s barely a gay-friendly place as it is with all that homophobia being spewed. Just enter any Shawn Mendes thread and we’re back in the 90s. 

[Sesame]

This old man is SO tiring. I can’t understand for the life of me why he was so favorable amongst the public. Imagine if Marianne somehow wins the primary against him. I’d kii

[Bimbo]

56 minutes ago, Helios said:

Its the opposite. On here they dont allow you to defend him without calling you an idiot or saying that you have nothing to contribute. Then the mods give you a warning point or ban you for trolling when all you did was applaud something his administration did. Its almost like everyone doesn't live inside ATRLs Biden hating bubble. Anyway, keep the Anti Biden threads coming.  

 

17 minutes ago, khalyan said:

What are you talking about?  Not a single warning you've received has been from a Biden thread

 

 

CLOCK the faux victims

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

I haven’t read into this yet, but did want to provide some other perspectives in case this either provides clarity or allows you all to pick these narratives apart:

 

https://twitter.com/joepostingg/status/1644095987869274113?s=46&t=HSXORJk_hE8B8l8LgCjkcw

 

 https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/1644082626024869888?s=46&t=HSXORJk_hE8B8l8LgCjkcw

 

https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/1644082629216436224?s=46&t=HSXORJk_hE8B8l8LgCjkcw

 

 I assume @ClashAndBurnand @Communion will have an illuminating response.

Make100101000 is literally a DNC shill and online weirdo who makes security technology for Walmart to fire employees for not having peak productivity who literally seems insane. I really have to tell you I'm not gonna bring myself to open tweets from this man:

 

I mentioned in the first page how this represents liberal failure in assuming its opposition are interested in their shared love of abstract concepts like "bipartisanship", but if you want someone else's opinion, Erin is one of the best sources re: anti-trans legislation in the US and points out how the proposed rule throws trans people under the bus in favor of finding some middle-ground "compromise":

 

 

Edited April 7, 2023 by Communion

[supaspaz]

4 hours ago, Helios said:

This is one of the only sites where people are allowed to bash Biden, the US and call his wife racist with no repercussions yet when you defend them the mods question your intentions and tell you that the person “made some points.” Never change ATRL.

You seem like someone who failed government class in high school.

[khalyan]

Also, to be fair to @Helios I actually find viewpoints other than my own really interesting and I like opening my eyes to viewpoints I don't share, especially on issues that I'm not super strong on (such as Biden's impact on the dollar) which is why I was wanting you to elaborate the other day.  

 

I don't share every opinion as users like @ClashAndBurn or @Communion who tend to be more to the left of me, but I do find that they can explain their points rather well for me to at least understand where they are coming from and for those few issues I disagree with, I'll try to be as detailed about why I feel that way and they've never called me an idiot or insulted me, even when I wasn't a mod.

 

The issue with trans people in sports is something that can need some nuance, but there really isn't any documented extreme dominance by a trans athlete on record.  The closet that I'm aware of is Lia Thomas, but even her national title in the 500 free had a time more than 10 seconds slower than Katie Ledecky in the same race five years before that.   So in my opinion, it's disappointing to see Biden will allow states to make these restrictive laws especially when it's affecting like 8 kids nationwide and none of them are exhibiting extreme dominance that the right is afraid of.

[ClashAndBurn]

7 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

I haven’t read into this yet, but did want to provide some other perspectives in case this either provides clarity or allows you all to pick these narratives apart:

 

https://twitter.com/joepostingg/status/1644095987869274113?s=46&t=HSXORJk_hE8B8l8LgCjkcw

 

 https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/1644082626024869888?s=46&t=HSXORJk_hE8B8l8LgCjkcw

 

https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/1644082629216436224?s=46&t=HSXORJk_hE8B8l8LgCjkcw

 

 I assume @ClashAndBurnand @Communion will have an illuminating response.

These are optimistic interpretations and involve a lot of assumptions as to how conservatives will or won't respond.

 

Plus, if it goes to the SCOTUS, this is absolutely not the same Bench that ruled on Bostock, and could have a very different interpretation of the law. While I would trust Sotomayor, Kagan, and Gorsuch to rule the right way, that's not enough to counterbalance Kavanaugh, Barrett, Roberts, Alito, and Thomas.

[Rotunda]

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

Make100101000 is literally a DNC shill who makes security technology for Walmart to fire employees for not having peak productivity. I really have to tell you I'm not gonna bring myself to open tweets links from this man:

 

I mentioned in the first page how this represents liberal failure in assuming its opposition are interested in their shared love of abstract concepts like "bipartisanship", but if you want someone else's opinion, Erin is one of the best sources re: anti-trans legislation in the US and points out how the proposed rule throws trans people under the bus in favor of finding some middle-ground "compromise":

 

 

Much appreciated as always and same to you @ClashAndBurn

Edited April 7, 2023 by Rotunda

[ClashAndBurn]

1 minute ago, khalyan said:

Also, to be fair to @Helios I actually find viewpoints other than my own really interesting and I like opening my eyes to viewpoints I don't share, especially on issues that I'm not super strong on (such as Biden's impact on the dollar) which is why I was wanting you to elaborate the other day.  

 

I don't share every opinion as users like @ClashAndBurn or @Communion who tend to be more to the left of me, but I do find that they can explain their points rather well for me to at least understand where they are coming from and for those few issues I disagree with, I'll try to be as detailed about why I feel that way and they've never called me an idiot or insulted me, even when I wasn't a mod.

 

The issue with trans people in sports is something that can need some nuance, but there really isn't any documented extreme dominance by a trans athlete on record.  The closet that I'm aware of is Lia Thomas, but even her national title in the 500 free had a time more than 10 seconds slower than Katie Ledecky in the same race five years before that.   So in my opinion, it's disappointing to see Biden will allow states to make these restrictive laws especially when it's affecting like 8 kids nationwide and none of them are exhibiting extreme dominance that the right is afraid of.

Honestly I think a lot of it is because people saw the South Park portrayal of a trans woman dominating an athletic event in which the trans person very much did not resemble anything other than a massive male bodybuilder, and they assume that that is the reality in all women's sports now.

 

[ClashAndBurn]

19 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

Much appreciated as always and same to you @ClashAndBurn

Also for what it’s worth, if the interpretations were truly meant to be optimistic, I don’t think AOC would be coming forward with a statement like this so quickly. She’s generally been extremely measured on any and every critique she’s had on Pelosi, Biden, etc.

 

 

[Communion]

12 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

Much appreciated as always and same to you @ClashAndBurn

No worries. My problem with all of this is largely that - at the end of the day - very few people base their votes on trans people. And if you had to examine it, trying to play to some mythological center for optics finds that "compromise' will only harm voters who lean Democrat while not bringing over mythical "swing voters".

 

So the chance that this could be rooted in some absurd idea of re-orientating coalitions feels like malice against trans people, while the alternative this is some technocratic approach to buy themselves time feels like incompetence at best when federal Dems will do nothing to 1) actually swing the systems in their favor like expanding or changing the composition of courts and 2) help progressives who'd support making these ideas into legislation win and become members of their party.

 

It's 2023 and Dems are still organizing within politics like it's 1993. 

 

 

[Carla Rosón]

I might not like the concept of "gender abolition" and how the biological basics of sex expression have been made to accomodate to an inclusivity agenda that does not need a biological basis at all 

 

But if any gay man or other members of the LGB agree with these anti-trans bills that have been passing lately, oh they don't know what they're in for.

 

The right will never be an ally for any minorities

[Jessie]

5 minutes ago, XtunaStan said:

I might not like the concept of "gender abolition" and how the biological basics of sex expression have been made to accomodate to an inclusivity agenda that does not need a biological basis at all 

 

But if any gay man or other members of the LGB agree with these anti-trans bills that have been passing lately, oh they don't know what they're in for.

 

The right will never be an ally for any minorities

This is pure word goop to say you don’t like trans people existing

 

What scenarios are you even talking about here? 

[Nano]

2 hours ago, Bang Up said:

Sadly, I'm not surprised. Old people on both sides of the aisle seem to be oblivious to Gen Z and the increasing power they're going to have with elections. After seeing how Gen Z won Dems 2020, 2022, and 2023, it blows my mind that this is the result; a slap in the face to the Gen Z kids who are voting for them in record numbers. Maybe the polling shows this will be a popular position among the older voters, but older voters are not showing up and are not as important as the young vote. From a political standpoint, this is just ******* dumb.

 

From a moral and ethical standpoint, this is just more cruelty against a population so small that less than a dozen kids in each of these states are even being affected. It makes no sense.

Gen Z is not the woke monolith you seem to think they are.

Edited April 7, 2023 by Nano

[Relampago.]

[Carla Rosón]

6 minutes ago, Jessie said:

This is pure word goop to say you don’t like trans people existing

 

What scenarios are you even talking about here? 

An easy one, very common and unnecessary slogan "trans women are women". And people who use it don't realize the first thing they're doing is erasing the experience of being "trans" and all the different struggles that come with it.

 

A better option and the one we all should be using right now is "protect trans women/people"

Edited April 7, 2023 by XtunaStan