poll Bigger Classic: We Belong Together vs Shallow

[industry baby]

15 minutes ago, stevyy said:

According to BDS Airplay, it peaked with 221 million audience impressions. It also set the Mediabase airplay record in the US with 254 million audience impressions.

What  I didnt know that Jesus the fraudelence of it all 

[stevyy]

Just now, robbyds said:

the song of the DECADE did THAT! 

sparking 16,5 million RIAA certifications for the era. We love to see that. A monstrous era for her.

[robbyds]

Just now, stevyy said:

sparking 16,5 million RIAA certifications for the era. We love to see that. A monstrous era for her.

Probably the BIGGEST comeback in the history of music! Not everybody can relate

[stevyy]

1 minute ago, industry baby said:

What  I didnt know that Jesus the fraudelence of it all 

The record was previously set by Beyoncé (I forgot the song), but it was at 196 million BDS).

 

Shake It Off was the 2nd big airplay monster for her with 202 million (Mediabase) and 192 million BDS.

 

Then Don't Forget About Us rounded it out with 180 million (Mediabase) and 170 million BDS.

 

All three songs were multiple-week #1's on Nielsen Airplay.

[industry baby]

1 minute ago, stevyy said:

The record was previously set by Beyoncé (I forgot the song), but it was at 196 million BDS).

 

Shake It Off was the 2nd big airplay monster for her with 202 million (Mediabase) and 192 million BDS.

 

Then Don't Forget About Us rounded it out with 180 million (Mediabase) and 170 million BDS.

 

All three songs were multiple-week #1's on Nielsen Airplay.

The local payola of it all 

[stevyy]

TEOM singles sales peaks (digital songs):

 

#2 - 53,341 - We Belong Together

#1 - 39,088 - Don't Forget About Us

#6 - 30,561 - Shake It Off

#10 - 23,379 - It's Like That

#114 - 5,886 - Say Somethin'

[stevyy]

8 minutes ago, industry baby said:

The local payola of it all 

U sure?

 

Mariah's airplay peaks:

 

1990 - #1 - 3 weeks - Vision of Love

1990 - #1 - 4 weeks - Love Takes Time

1991 - #1 - 10 weeks - Someday

1991 - #4 ---------- - I Don't Wanna Cry (#1 on pre-BDS airplay)

1991 - #1 - 4 weeks - Emotions

1992 - #2 ---------- - Can't Let Go

1992 - #2 ---------- - Make It Happen

1992 - #1 - 8 weeks - I'll Be There

1993 - #1 - 11 weeks - Dreamlover

1993 - #1 - 10 weeks - Hero

1994 - #2 ----------- - Without You

1994 - #8 ----------- - Anytime you Need a Friend

1994 - #5 ----------- - Endless Love

1994 - #12 ---------- - All I want for Christmas Is You

1995 - #1 - 7 weeks - Fantasy

1995 - #1 - 13 weeks - One Sweet Day

1996 - #2 ----------- - Always be my Baby

1996 - #9 ----------- - Forever

1997 - #11 ---------- - Honey

1997 - #16 ---------- - Butterfly

1998 - #53 --------- - Breakdown

1998 - #15 --------- - My All

1998 - #38 -------- - When you Believe

1999 - #20 -------- - I Still Believe

1999 - #8 ---------- - Heartbreaker

2000 - #15 --------- - Thank God I Found You

2001 - #50 --------- - Loverboy

2003 - #3 ---------- - I Know what you Want

2004 - #21 --------- - U Make me Wanna

2005 - #14 --------- - It's Like That

2005 - #1 - 16 weeks - We Belong Together

2005 - #1 - 3 weeks - Shake It Off

2005 - #1 - 5 weeks - Don't Forget About Us

2006 - #78 --------- - Say Somethin'

2006 - #66 --------- - Fly Like a Bird

2008 - #2 ---------- - Touch my Body

2008 - #17 --------- - Bye Bye

2008 - #43 --------- - I'll Be Lovin' You Long Time

2009 - #84 ---------- - My Love

2009 - #6 ----------- - Obsessed

2009 - #71 ---------- - I Want to know what Love Is

2013 - #17 ---------- - #Beautiful

2022 - #11 ---------- - All I want for Christmas Is You (new peak)

[stevyy]

BTW, the TEOM singles also charted on the BB Hot singles sales chart (physical sales)

 

#8 - It's Like That - charted for 18 weeks

#16 - We Belong Together - charted for 30 weeks 

 

WBT physical single chartrun: 40 - 19 - 27 - 30 - 39 - / - 49 - / - 24 - 25 - 19 - 24 - 22 - 37 - 26 - 29 - 33 - 28 - 40 - 34 - 33 - 22 - 18 - 16 - 20 - 39 - 34 - 41 - 23 - 35 - 39 - / - 41 

 

WBT digital chartrun: 27 - 17 - 12 - 11 - 9 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 3 - 3 - 7 - 8 - 11 - 13 - 15 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 20 - 21 - 29 - 32 - 34 - 40 - 39 - 54 - 67 - ? - ? - 90 - 104 - 88 - 93 - (2006): 70 - 58 - 57 - ? - ? - 143 - 87 

 

Edited April 8, 2023 by stevyy

[thetea]

4 hours ago, Mystic Boy said:

Since radio is the biggest metric on the Billboard Hot 100 and Billboard decade charts

read this. 

2 hours ago, stevyy said:

A song with like 40+ #1's rankings in 2005-2006 versus the forgotten one, WBT. (April 6th, 2023)

 

263,256 - Hung Up -----------334,440 - WBT

 

The airplay only hit is 6xP in the US and airplay is not integrated into RIAA certifications. 

 

TEOM era: USA

7x Platinum - 7,000,000 - album

6x Platinum - 6,000,000 - We Belong Together

1x Platinum - 1,000,000 - Shake It Off

1x Platinum - 1,000,000 - Don't Forget About Us

1x Platinum - 1,000,000 - We Belong Together (Mastertone)

Gold ------ - 500,000 - It's Like That

= 16,5 million certified units in the USA

 

We Belong Together will hit 100 million streams on Spotify alone in 2023.

Total streams on that one platform will exceed 500 million by October, 2023.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, VioletsandRoses said:

It spent 16 weeks at #1 on radio and not a single week at #1 on sales. 

 

read the above. @stevyy always has the indisputable facts! 6x platinum isn't too bad for a single that solely went #1 because of radio according to y'all. 

[thetea]

1 hour ago, stevyy said:

BTW, the TEOM singles also charted on the BB Hot singles sales chart (physical sales)

 

#8 - It's Like That - charted for 18 weeks

#16 - We Belong Together - charted for 30 weeks 

 

WBT physical single chartrun: 40 - 19 - 27 - 30 - 39 - / - 49 - / - 24 - 25 - 19 - 24 - 22 - 37 - 26 - 29 - 33 - 28 - 40 - 34 - 33 - 22 - 18 - 16 - 20 - 39 - 34 - 41 - 23 - 35 - 39 - / - 41 

 

WBT digital chartrun: 27 - 17 - 12 - 11 - 9 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 3 - 3 - 7 - 8 - 11 - 13 - 15 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 20 - 21 - 29 - 32 - 34 - 40 - 39 - 54 - 67 - ? - ? - 90 - 104 - 88 - 93 - (2006): 70 - 58 - 57 - ? - ? - 143 - 87 

 

people are delusional to think that WBT did what it did solely because of radio.

[SharonStone]

2 hours ago, industry baby said:

It had like 180M + radio airplay weekly 

Was US population even that much in 2005? 

According to radio stations %60-70 of US heard the song on the radio weekly. 

The manipulation of it all 

Mariah was the OG of chart manipulation since back in the day. She invented in a sense the whole discount and remixes tactics to go #1 back then, that are being used even today.

Maybe that’s why 80% of her #1s are completely forgotten or unknown to this day.

Shallow is such a global phenomenon and its recurrent stats say it all 

[thetea]

47 minutes ago, SharonStone said:

Mariah was the OG of chart manipulation since back in the day. She invented in a sense the whole discount and remixes tactics to go #1 back then, that are being used even today.

Maybe that’s why 80% of her #1s are completely forgotten or unknown to this day.

Shallow is such a global phenomenon and its recurrent stats say it all 

you guys always seem to bring up that one article that mentions how ONE OSD single's barcode got switched. the only song she really used discounts for was loverboy, lets not forget that the song that blocked loverboy from #1, bootylicious, also discounted to 49c to get to #1. Remixes were included on the single cd to entice people to buy it, she didn't chart higher from adding remixes to the single cd. A lot of her #1s have pretty good streams, especially compared to other #1s from the same years. 

[Mystic Boy]

1 hour ago, thetea said:

read this. 

 

read the above. @stevyy always has the indisputable facts! 6x platinum isn't too bad for a single that solely went #1 because of radio according to y'all. 

And so what? ASIB is soon passing if not already the 10M WW just thanks to Shallow....

I know WBT was huge in the US but largely thanks to radio and it just doesnt come close to the power Shallow had and is still having on a WW scale....

There's a huge ass world outside of America

 

[thetea]

12 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said:

And so what? ASIB is soon passing if not already the 10M WW just thanks to Shallow....

 

i think i know that, i'm a lady gaga stan. i literally voted and said before that shallow is bigger. it's you that decided to get off topic on the thread and say that we belong together was local and it's success was because of radio even though the charts and sales disagree with you. 

[Chris]

On 4/7/2023 at 7:46 AM, Axelios said:

WBT is not that remembered compared to a lot of other big 2000s songs

What?

 

[Freaky Prince]

Shallow is light years bigger than any Mariah song (thats not an Xmas carol)

[stevyy]

2 hours ago, Mystic Boy said:

And so what? ASIB is soon passing if not already the 10M WW just thanks to Shallow....

I know WBT was huge in the US but largely thanks to radio and it just doesnt come close to the power Shallow had and is still having on a WW scale....

There's a huge ass world outside of America

 

with sps the MIMI era is ar 12 million approaching 13 million. PURE sales are at 9 million. 

[Winged]

We belong together and it’s not even close

[CakeLikeLG]

on atrl WBT in real world Shallow

[iconicyayo]

WBT is extremely local  

Edited April 8, 2023 by iconicyayo

[Hot Volcano]

Some of you still not giving up . 

 

Shallow easily wins.

[Souvenir]

aiwfciy is the only mariah carey classic.

[Intuition]

18 hours ago, Aristotle said:

I mean TEOM sold 6.1M US pure sales, more than TFM and TF combined together who had multiply hits. Weren't most of those sales generated by WBT? 

Yall are delusional. 

You can't really compare the very beginning of the digital era with the peak of the digital era. 

Both peaked at #4 on the year-end charts, so they were about even in the States and obviously The Fame was way bigger WW (esp. Europe). 

[Aethereal]

24 minutes ago, Intuition said:

You can't really compare the very beginning of the digital era with the peak of the digital era. 

Both peaked at #4 on the year-end charts, so they were about even in the States and obviously The Fame was way bigger WW (esp. Europe). 

The sales market in 2006 and 2005 was not that different from 2009 and 2010. I was not implying that TEOM was bigger than TF+M in US (or even less WW) I was just making a point that this single WBT brought to it's album more sales than TF+M, which is impressive.

 

You guys are comparing streaming units which in most cases come mostly from singles and carry the whole album. When you count in pure album sales WBT wins overall.

 

 

Edited April 8, 2023 by Aristotle

[Aethereal]

You should count album sales (which was 90% of music revenue back then) as 1 single sale for WBT if you wanna bring in streaming. 

Considering TEOM sold 9 million pure WW, WBT wins. 

Edited April 8, 2023 by Aristotle