poll Bigger Classic: We Belong Together vs Shallow

[Forever Winter]

 

Which song is the bigger classic?

 

[industry baby]

Shallow by far. A global smash. Most likely biggest MPG song of all time in Europe + x1 Diamond in US. 

[charot]

Bigger classic and more remembered: Shallow by far (weddings, graduations, funerals, karaoke, singing competitions... a literal classic. WBT is kinda forgotten)

 

Better: We Belong Together

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by charot

[R. Ramirez]

Shallow, the worldwide adored classic.

 

We Belong Together was local as ****, like 99% of Mariah's hits. 

 

We Belong Together — 451.137.434 (+288.855) - This is NOT a classic.

[GraceRandolph]

1. Shallow

2. We Belong Together

3. Shallow

[Forever Winter]

The replies in here 

[DiamondHoe]

Shallow for all

 

WBT deserved to be bigger globally tho 

[VioletsandRoses]

WBT was a cute radio hit. It never reached #1 in sales and was outsold by songs like Hung Up and Pon De Replay, even in the USA. It’s doing less than 300k which is average or bad. Globally it made no noise outside the Anglo countries 

Edited April 6, 2023 by VioletsandRoses

[jorjapuss]

One came out 5 years ago and the other one came out 18 years ago. Very Odd comparison 

[Kimi]

Shallow for sure

[naval23]

US: WBT

Worldwide: Shallow

[suburbannature]

The straight-up delusion on this site sometimes

[Jjang]

the solo one

[suburbannature]

43 minutes ago, VioletsandRoses said:

WBT was a cute radio hit. It never reached #1 in sales and was outsold by songs like Hung Up and Pon De Replay, even in the USA. It’s doing less than 300k which is average or bad. Globally it made no noise outside the Anglo countries 

Erm, it was doing 350k daily pretty consistently for two months this year. It also charts regularly on the Apple Music main chart. It charted on Spotify for South Africa and the Philippines this year, it recharted in South Korea's main chart a couple of years ago.

 

 It's also the most-certified female song from 2005 with regard to sales - literally more than Shallow despite being from different eras. And that's not true about no global noise - it was top ten across Europe and Latin America in addition to being a 14-week #1 in the US (and Song of the Year + Decade), #1 in Canada, #1 in Australia.

 

Shallow peaking 3-4 spots higher in a couple of small European markets means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, particularly when We Belong Together is still regularly discussed, consumed, and sampled nearly twenty years later.

 

---

 

Shallow was #19 on the year-end list and outsold by several songs that year. It didn't make the decade-end. 

 

---

 

Screaming at comparing daily streams from a song from 2005 and one from 2018. Be for real for once.

 

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by suburbannature

[Oktober Knight]

1 hour ago, industry baby said:

Shallow by far. A global smash. Most likely biggest MPG song of all time in Europe + x1 Diamond in US. 

what's it like living in your world? 

 

OT:

Shallow 

[poki]

Mariah Carey's We Belong Together I think.

Bradley Cooper snapped tho! 

[dman4life]

40 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

The straight-up delusion on this site sometimes

‼️

[BeenTheShit]

We Belong Together for all...

 

Shallow was a moment but let's be realistic now. 

[FightDragonsWithMe]

Shallow for all. 

[R. Ramirez]

43 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Erm, it was doing 350k daily pretty consistently for two months this year. It also charts regularly on the Apple Music main chart. It charted on Spotify for South Africa and the Philippines this year, it recharted in South Korea's main chart a couple of years ago.

 

 It's also the most-certified female song from 2005 with regard to sales - literally more than Shallow despite being from different eras. And that's not true about no global noise - it was top ten across Europe and Latin America in addition to being a 14-week #1 in the US (and Song of the Year + Decade), #1 in Canada, #1 in Australia.

 

Shallow peaking 3-4 spots higher in a couple of small European markets means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, particularly when We Belong Together is still regularly discussed, consumed, and sampled nearly twenty years later.

 

---

 

Shallow was #19 on the year-end list and outsold by several songs that year. It didn't make the decade-end. 

 

---

 

Screaming at comparing daily streams from a song from 2005 and one from 2018. Be for real for once.

 

 

Mariah dropped We Belong Together in a time it was easy to manipulate songs with radio PAYOLA, like all her forgotten and fraudulent singles from the 90s. 

 

WBT ranks also higher in the US than GENUINE smash hits as Poker Face, Bad Romance, Just Dance due to the public's consumption. Doesn't mean sh**. The real smash hits are the ones that are DIAMOND certified.

 

Thank God, we have official charts and certifications to judge the global success of these songs. 

 

Decade-end chart in AUS

Shallow: #91

WBT: N/A

 

YEC in NZ

Shallow: #10

WBT: #32

 

UK YEC

Shallow: #87, #20, #65, #60, #84

WBT: #20

 

Canadian YEC

Canada: #6

WBT: N/A (it didn't even hit #1 on the main chart...)

 

Germanian YEC

Shallow: #16

WBT: #92

 

French YEC 

France: #98, #12, #103, #190

WBT: N/A

 

Italian YEC

Shallow: #99, #22, #99

WBT: N/A

 

Spanish YEC

Shallow: #40

WBT: N/A

 

And that's without counting Norway where Shallow is on the All-Time Chart, Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal,...

 

You really thought, your fav is the definition of LOCAL. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[charot]

13 minutes ago, R. Ramirez said:

Mariah dropped We Belong Together in a time it was easy to manipulate songs with radio PAYOLA, like all her forgotten and fraudulent singles from the 90s. 

 

WBT ranks also higher in the US than GENUINE smash hits as Poker Face, Bad Romance, Just Dance due to the public's consumption. Doesn't mean sh**. The real smash hits are the ones that are DIAMOND certified.

 

Thank God, we have official charts and certifications to judge the global success of these songs. 

 

Decade-end chart in AUS

Shallow: #91

WBT: N/A

 

YEC in NZ

Shallow: #10

WBT: #32

 

UK YEC

Shallow: #87, #20, #65, #60, #84

WBT: #20

 

Canadian YEC

Canada: #6

WBT: N/A (it didn't even hit #1 on the main chart...)

 

Germanian YEC

Shallow: #16

WBT: #92

 

French YEC 

France: #98, #12, #103, #190

WBT: N/A

 

Italian YEC

Shallow: #99, #22, #99

WBT: N/A

 

Spanish YEC

Shallow: #40

WBT: N/A

 

And that's without counting Norway where Shallow is on the All-Time Chart, Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal,...

 

You really thought, your fav is the definition of LOCAL. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow receipts 

[Mystic Boy]

15 minutes ago, R. Ramirez said:

Mariah dropped We Belong Together in a time it was easy to manipulate songs with radio PAYOLA, like all her forgotten and fraudulent singles from the 90s. 

 

WBT ranks also higher in the US than GENUINE smash hits as Poker Face, Bad Romance, Just Dance due to the public's consumption. Doesn't mean sh**. The real smash hits are the ones that are DIAMOND certified.

 

Thank God, we have official charts and certifications to judge the global success of these songs. 

 

Decade-end chart in AUS

Shallow: #91

WBT: N/A

 

YEC in NZ

Shallow: #10

WBT: #32

 

UK YEC

Shallow: #87, #20, #65, #60, #84

WBT: #20

 

Canadian YEC

Canada: #6

WBT: N/A (it didn't even hit #1 on the main chart...)

 

Germanian YEC

Shallow: #16

WBT: #92

 

French YEC 

France: #98, #12, #103, #190

WBT: N/A

 

Italian YEC

Shallow: #99, #22, #99

WBT: N/A

 

Spanish YEC

Shallow: #40

WBT: N/A

 

And that's without counting Norway where Shallow is on the All-Time Chart, Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal,...

 

You really thought, your fav is the definition of LOCAL. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well

[suburbannature]

15 minutes ago, R. Ramirez said:

Mariah dropped We Belong Together in a time it was easy to manipulate songs with radio PAYOLA, like all her forgotten and fraudulent singles from the 90s. 

 

WBT ranks also higher in the US than GENUINE smash hits as Poker Face, Bad Romance, Just Dance due to the public's consumption. Doesn't mean sh**. The real smash hits are the ones that are DIAMOND certified.

 

Thank God, we have official charts and certifications to judge the global success of these songs. 

 

Decade-end chart in AUS

Shallow: #91

WBT: N/A

 

YEC in NZ

Shallow: #10

WBT: #32

 

UK YEC

Shallow: #87, #20, #65, #60, #84

WBT: #20

 

Canadian YEC

Canada: #6

WBT: N/A (it didn't even hit #1 on the main chart...)

 

Germanian YEC

Shallow: #16

WBT: #92

 

French YEC 

France: #98, #12, #103, #190

WBT: N/A

 

Italian YEC

Shallow: #99, #22, #99

WBT: N/A

 

Spanish YEC

Shallow: #40

WBT: N/A

 

And that's without counting Norway where Shallow is on the All-Time Chart, Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal,...

 

You really thought, your fav is the definition of LOCAL. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This corny-ass trolling when WBT's success was not even radio-reliant or a time when it was easy to manipulate radio. She's out-streaming every single one of her peers in recurrent for a reason. 

 

And as I said before, Shallow peaking a few higher in a couple of tiny European markets means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. The world is not limited to Western Europe and the US is a bigger music market than those combined (plus WBT did better in Asia). We're in a completely different sales climate that favors singles sales more than ever before and We Belong Together still out-certified/out-sold Shallow in the US to a point that rivals Shallow's global certifcaton figures. That's how huge it was (and continues to be charting on AM, doing 350k daily on Spotify, currently nearing a million TikTok vids).

 

And to show how little you actually know of charts - Canada Hot 100 didn't exist before 2007. They used RPM from 1964-2000 or the Nielsen chart starting in 1996. We Belong Together hit #1 on pop radio and in sales, the only existing main consumption charts at the time.

 

 

[suburbannature]

2 hours ago, R. Ramirez said:

 

 

We Belong Together was local as ****, like 99% of Mariah's hits. 

 

 

Mariah's global units without a single US sale put her as the 6th best-selling female ever WW (and are additionally above your fave's total, adjusted units)

[Eclass]

ATRL community = Shallow

Real world data = We Belong together