Bloodflowers. Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 Marianne was given an opportunity to come to Fox News and educate their viewers, she clocks the host on economic policies as well as that hilarious Politico hit-piece on her! She handled the interview so well despite the fact that Fox News was cutting her off when she was laying out the facts on progressive policies
suburbannature Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 She's campy fun, but she's said some troubling things. On AIDS: Quote Williamson once wrote, “We’re not punished for our sins, but by our sins.” She also audaciously peddled theories about AIDS and cancer being a vessel for God, that can be defeated with love, even writing, “AIDS, for instance, can be thought of as ‘Angels-In-Darth-Vader-Suits.’” Prayer vs. medical treatment Quote Williamson repeatedly expressed the belief that prayer is more productive than treatment, all while emphasizing the profound role of inner emotion and faith. The author noted, “Cancer and AIDs and other serious illnesses are physical manifestations of a psychic scream, and their message is not, ‘Hate me,’ but ‘Love me.’” This skepticism towards scientific fact is not an uncommon shade on Williamson. Amid her campaign, she had spoken about how vaccines shouldn’t be mandatory. In that same Blames stigma around depression on medicine Quote Williamson tweeted in response to someone who was upset by her comments on this, “There was no stigma to depression until it was medicalized.” A study “Medicalization, Direct-to-Consumer Advertising, and Mental Illness Stigma” found that “Contrary to expectations, despite the surge in DTCA they find no changes in stigmatized views of persons with schizophrenia or depression.” She's entertaining, sure, but not someone we need in office.
ProudLBS Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, suburbannature said: She's campy fun, but she's said some troubling things. On AIDS: Prayer vs. medical treatment Blames stigma around depression on medicine She's entertaining, sure, but not someone we need in office.
as-usual Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) I do think she’s misunderstood on medical treatment. She isn’t saying don’t get aids or cancer treatments but that the people being treated need love to get through it. She founded an organisation that brought meals to aids patients when no one else would care for them. when she talks about antidepressants, she’s again not saying don’t take them, or saying some people don’t desperately need them, but that our society, economic climate, and pharmaceutical industry all have a hand in making the situation worse. like she’s advocating for universal healthcare, she’s clearly not anti medicine or anti science. Edited March 20, 2023 by as-usual
Communion Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, suburbannature said: She's campy fun, but she's said some troubling things. On AIDS: Prayer vs. medical treatment Blames stigma around depression on medicine She's entertaining, sure, but not someone we need in office. Imagine being such a privileged shill and affluent DC elite that you're now spending 2024 attacking a protest candidate with lies and smears after wrongly supporting Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Partisan Dems are literally as bad as Republicans at this point. You rather feel good than stop poor people from dying. How is it always the same formula? How come everyone who posts the lies like you do also wrongly supported Clinton in 16 and Biden in 20? What about universal healthcare do you find so disgusting? Edited March 20, 2023 by Communion
Communion Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, as-usual said: I do think she’s misunderstood on medical treatment. She isn’t saying don’t get aids or cancer treatments but that the people being treated need love to get through it. She founded an organisation that brought meals to aids patients when no one else would care for them. when she talks about antidepressants, she’s again not saying don’t take them, or saying some people don’t desperately need them, but that our society, economic climate, and pharmaceutical industry all have a hand in making the situation worse. like she’s advocating for universal healthcare, she’s clearly not anti medicine or anti science. People who spent the last 8 years attacking the Medicare For All candidate because "it was her time" or "socialism is bad" now wanting us to think they're genuinely concerned that Marianne's kookiness is also anti-medicine fueled. Genuinely at this point believe anyone who supported Clinton in 2016 should be banned from participation in the Democratic Primary. They're a cancer to progress as a whole. Edited March 20, 2023 by Communion
suburbannature Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Communion said: Imagine being such a privileged shill and affluent DC elite that you're now spending 2024 attacking a protest candidate with lies and smears after wrongly supporting Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Partisan Dems are literally as bad as Republicans at this point. You rather feel good than stop poor people from dying. How is it always the same formula? How come everyone who posts the lies like you do also wrongly supported Clinton in 16 and Biden in 20? What about universal healthcare do you find so disgusting? Sis, I hope you realize how fallacy-filled (I count three), truth-denying, and unhinged this post is. I have always supported universal healthcare, and Marianne Williamson is not our ticket to that destination. Edited March 20, 2023 by suburbannature
Bloodflowers. Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Communion said: Imagine being such a privileged shill and affluent DC elite that you're now spending 2024 attacking a protest candidate with lies and smears after wrongly supporting Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Partisan Dems are literally as bad as Republicans at this point. You rather feel good than stop poor people from dying. How is it always the same formula? How come everyone who posts the lies like you do also wrongly supported Clinton in 16 and Biden in 20? What about universal healthcare do you find so disgusting? Every. Time. They come here and post same lame propaganda that has been debunked on every Marianne thread. I think it should get warned as off-topic at this point since it is not related with the topic in the OP
GhostBox Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, suburbannature said: She's campy fun, but she's said some troubling things. On AIDS: Prayer vs. medical treatment Blames stigma around depression on medicine She's entertaining, sure, but not someone we need in office. 💀 I think we will see her on Fox News more often. They will try to prop her candidacy up.
suburbannature Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bloodflowers. said: Every. Time. They come here and post same lame propaganda that has been debunked on every Marianne thread. I think it should get warned as off-topic at this point since it is not related with the topic in the OP I'd love to see you debunk her own words. Go ahead.
suburbannature Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 I'm imagining that will be quoted with a Trumpian outright denial of past statements.
wish Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 16 minutes ago, Communion said: Imagine being such a privileged shill and affluent DC elite that you're now spending 2024 attacking a protest candidate with lies and smears after wrongly supporting Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Partisan Dems are literally as bad as Republicans at this point. You rather feel good than stop poor people from dying. How is it always the same formula? How come everyone who posts the lies like you do also wrongly supported Clinton in 16 and Biden in 20? What about universal healthcare do you find so disgusting? Drag it
Archetype Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 44 minutes ago, suburbannature said: She's campy fun, but she's said some troubling things. On AIDS: Prayer vs. medical treatment Blames stigma around depression on medicine She's entertaining, sure, but not someone we need in office. These were all taken out of context and she’s definitely not against life saving medicines or science. She has a very weird spiritual way of phrasing things and tries to bring everything back to ideas centered around mindfulness and love. She has absolutely zero chance winning anything but she does mean well, and helps debunk attacks against progressive Dem ideas and policies.
suburbannature Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, Archetype said: These were all taken out of context and she’s definitely not against life saving medicines or science. She has a very weird spiritual way of phrasing things and tries to bring everything back to ideas centered around mindfulness and love. She has absolutely zero chance winning anything but she does mean well, and helps debunk attacks against progressive Dem ideas and policies. What is the valid context?
Bloodflowers. Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, suburbannature said: I'd love to see you debunk her own words. Go ahead. Marianne took care of AIDS patients, fed then and literally bought medicine for HIV as soon as they were developed. She used prayers as every person of faith do when it came to illnesses that are not cureable and patients are left with nothing but spirituality as they are dying. Her criticism on medications came to over-perscription for people who are not clinically depressed, as big pharma earns more money for selling drugs to people who aren't in need of medications. Next time use full clips and sentences so we can see full context, rather than copy-pasting single sentences out of context to create faux image of a candidate that is more left-wing from Biden. Worry about that how Biden and his right-wing policies are going to lose to Republicans in 2024 if Democrats remain unchallenged in the primaries and DNC keeps shutting down challengers.
Communion Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, suburbannature said: I have always supported universal healthcare You can't support Joe Biden - someone who would veto universal healthcare - and claim to support universal healthcare. I don't know why some of you don't understand why your dishonesty causes such anger. Posts histories are public. We can all remember what side any specific member was on in 2016 and 2020. By all means, give us the centrist nonsense "more electable" argument. But you literally have no foot to stand on to attack Williamson's views by virtue of ever supporting Clinton or Biden. It's like Trump supporters trying to say Biden is a rapist. By virtue of supporting candidates throughout time and presently who are anti-science in their attacks on universal healthcare, you simply do not get to claim any other candidate is anti-science. To have supported Biden is akin to supporting anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. To support someone who has gone on record saying he would do anything he could to stop universal healthcare makes then any criticism you can make of people to your left on healthcare and science inherently non-credible. How else does it have to be said? Marianne could say eating **** helps cure cancer and you, by virtue of supporting a politician who said he'd block universal healthcare from happening, simply have no right or credibility to criticize that. It is not your place. You are not a credible narrator. And this is not personal. It applies to all Biden supporters. Your vote fof Biden. co-signed you're okay with poor people dying. Why should anyone listen to you? Edited March 20, 2023 by Communion
Bloodflowers. Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Communion said: You can't support Joe Biden - someone who would veto universal healthcare - and claim to support universal healthcare. I don't know why some of you don't understand why your dishonesty causes such anger. Posts histories are public. We can all remember what side any specific member was on in 2016 and 2020. By all means, give us the centrist nonsense "more electable" argument. But you literally have no foot to stand on to attack Williamson's views by virtue of ever supporting Clinton or Biden. It's like Trump supporters trying to say Biden is a rapist. By virtue of supporting candidates throughout time and presently who are anti-science in their attacks on universal healthcare, you simply do not get to claim any other candidate is anti-science. To have supported Biden is akin to supporting anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. To support someone who has gone on record saying he would do anything he could to stop universal healthcare makes then any criticism you can make of people to your left on healthcare and science inherently non-credible. How else does it have to be said?
suburbannature Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Bloodflowers. said: Marianne took care of AIDS patients, fed then and literally bought medicine for HIV as soon as they were developed. She used prayers as every person of faith do when it came to illnesses that are not cureable and patients are left with nothing but spirituality as they are dying. Her criticism on medications came to over-perscription for people who are not clinically depressed, as big pharma earns more money for selling drugs to people who aren't in need of medications. Next time use full clips and sentences so we can see full context, rather than copy-pasting single sentences out of context to create faux image of a candidate that is more left-wing from Biden. Worry about that how Biden and his right-wing policies are going to lose to Republicans in 2024 if Democrats remain unchallenged in the primaries and DNC keeps shutting down challengers. And how does writing, "We’re not punished for our sins, but by our sins. Sickness is not a sign of God’s judgment on us, but of our judgment on ourselves… sickness is an illusion and does not actually exist...Does that mean that it is a mistake to take medicine? Absolutely not… but the healing doesn’t come from the pill. It comes from our belief" in her novel help to support medical endeavors? As someone in the medical field myself, I'm very familiar with the harm that "New Thought" beliefs have caused willing believers as well as to those who are vulnerable to pseudomedical practices and seeking any time of solace available.
CottageHore Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 1 hour ago, suburbannature said: She's campy fun, but she's said some troubling things. On AIDS: Prayer vs. medical treatment Blames stigma around depression on medicine She's entertaining, sure, but not someone we need in office. I mean, all these politicians are old fucks with many antiquated views that have, to some degree, evolved over time. As if Biden is a better option. He’s proven in more ways than one that he’s trash and another 4 years with him as president wouldn’t be good for any working class individual.
suburbannature Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Communion said: You can't support Joe Biden - someone who would veto universal healthcare - and claim to support universal healthcare. I don't know why some of you don't understand why your dishonesty causes such anger. Posts histories are public. We can all remember what side any specific member was on in 2016 and 2020. By all means, give us the centrist nonsense "more electable" argument. But you literally have no foot to stand on to attack Williamson's views by virtue of ever supporting Clinton or Biden. It's like Trump supporters trying to say Biden is a rapist. By virtue of supporting candidates throughout time and presently who are anti-science in their attacks on universal healthcare, you simply do not get to claim any other candidate is anti-science. To have supported Biden is akin to supporting anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. To support someone who has gone on record saying he would do anything he could to stop universal healthcare makes then any criticism you can make of people to your left on healthcare and science inherently non-credible. How else does it have to be said? I did not vote for Joe Biden in the democratic primaries (which should be easily found via my public post history as you stated), and I find it quite fitting that you're evading the discussion at hand via the employment of more logical fallacies and conclusion-jumping. The problem with Williamson isn't being "unelectable," it's that she has a history of peddling pseudo-medical belief systems and attempts to shield herself from criticism or acknowledging her past comments by masking it as an attack on Big Pharma. And, sadly, there are enough impressionable people like yourself who are willing to look the other way. Edited March 20, 2023 by suburbannature
Bloodflowers. Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, suburbannature said: Does that mean that it is a mistake to take medicine? Absolutely not… Thank you for proving that Marianne is not anti-medicine She is clearly talking about faith, are we gonna argue and debunk about spirituality now? I'm an atheist so I don't believe in God, but majority of people like Marianne believe in God and seek hope in those beliefs when they struggle with physical illnesses in this life, so they focus on the mind and try be optimistic as they face death. Wow, what a crazy kooky woman!
suburbannature Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, Bloodflowers. said: Thank you for proving that Marianne is not anti-medicine She is clearly talking about faith, are we gonna argue and debunk about spirituality now? I'm an atheist so I don't believe in God, but majority of people like Marianne believe in God and seek hope in those beliefs when they struggle with physical illnesses in this life, so they focus on the mind and try be optimistic as they face death. Wow, what a crazy kooky woman! The fact that you, yourself, just took a small portion of her quote out of context to fit your own narrative really solidifies my suspicion of how her followers rationalize her past statements.
Bloodflowers. Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, suburbannature said: The fact that you, yourself, just took a small portion of her quote out of context to fit your own narrative really solidifies my suspicion of how her followers rationalize her past statements. I used your ways as an inspiration. I am glad to see you dragging yourself right now.
Daddy Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 1 hour ago, suburbannature said: She's campy fun, but she's said some troubling things. On AIDS: Prayer vs. medical treatment Blames stigma around depression on medicine She's entertaining, sure, but not someone we need in office. Damn, just another religious freak. They on both sides unfortunately.
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