charts discussion Spotify: Endless Summer Vacation 29,9m debut | First week: 151m

[Poxy]

1 minute ago, Sazare said:

The female Flo Rida

 

She needs to serve a bop as amazing as I Cry next  thatll make the album smash 

[_Fey]

9 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

This is so strange to me Like how did Flowers smash so HARD so QUICKLY and yet there's zero interest for the rest of the album?

This is what's confusing to me too. Flowers seemed to indicate there was a lot of interest in Miley's return. And I know people keep saying "single success doesn't mean anything!" / "look at Lizzo and Sam Smith!" but Flowers was pulling insane numbers, Miley was breaking records for most monthly listeners for a woman, and she probably has a bigger core fanbase than either of them. How did we go from that to this? How did River do less than half of Flower's debut despite the massive playlist reach, video, Disney special, album release? 

[SignificantOther]

3 minutes ago, Monster Queen said:

So what? Midnights still hold a higher position than Harry's House on the IFPI year-end chart despite being released 6 months later and still outstreamed it every day, mind you its tour hasn't been started unlike Harry's world tour was already end

Good for local Taylor I guess. She can keep the American market while global Harry does better in European countries, in Australia, in New-Zealand and in South-America.

[Ivan_brit]

She did ok

 

Flowers, River & Jaded will save Endless Summer Vacation overall numbers 

 

Keep Streaming 

[Gerardo]

Many fandoms on Twitter (Arianators, XO, swifties) are dragging her bad, her Stan’s fault for coming at her tho 

 

OT: this is bad, it’s less than Sweetener in 2018  it’s also not a lot more than PH but this she had a #1 hit 

they can still save the era if flowers has great longevity, it sells good in vinyls and she gets a medium sized hit 

 

[Monster Queen]

1 minute ago, More Than A Melody said:

She's incredibly bigger than Harry in America and Asia, I would never say otherwise. And of course, since America has most of the streaming market, she's gonna end up being bigger than him on that front as well. But it's getting annoying that they keep acting like Harry isn't one of the biggest popstars in the world right now.

 

They can't even take the #1 spot and go with their lives. They have to take the #1 spot and fight everyone else in the top 10, even if they're not a threat. It's giving massive insecurity issues. It's the reason they're all perched on this thread, Miley fans were acting like losers on twitter for sure, but it wasn't specifically towards Taylor (and their biggest rival was actually Ariana). To claim that everyone's numbers except Taylor's are sus is so... that's all I was pointing out, if Harry's numbers are sus and he's outstreaming Midnights Standard and closing the gap with Midnights 3 AM, then aren't by definition Midnights numbers sus as well? The answer is: none of these numbers are sus.

 

That was my point. But of course @Artistofthedecade sees the SLIGHTEST hint of criticism (even when it ISN'T criticism) and jumps the gun like someone is threatening to m*rder Taylor. It doesn't even matter the thread either, she'll just bring up Taylor's stats and fight whoever, no matter how unrelated to the topic it is. 

I can't believe that some people really is obsessed with other people like this, like you're the one who start the fight in this thread then play victims like this. No one mentioned Harry Styles in this thread before you suddenly show up and start to attack Taylor 

[The Music Industry]

1 minute ago, _Fey said:

This is what's confusing to me too. Flowers seemed to indicate there was a lot of interest in Miley's return. And I know people keep saying "single success doesn't mean anything!" / "look at Lizzo and Sam Smith!" but Flowers was pulling insane numbers, Miley was breaking records for most monthly listeners for a woman, and she probably has a bigger core fanbase than either of them. How did we go from that to this? How did River do less than half of Flower's debut despite the massive playlist reach, video, Disney special, album release? 

Well exactly  and the thing is songs like Unholy and About Damn Time didn't smash right out of the gate, they started slowly and gained traction after going viral. Meanwhile Flowers was an immediate smash the second it was released. It's very odd

[More Than A Melody]

4 minutes ago, Monster Queen said:

Despite being released 6 months earlier Midnights has a higher position than Harry's house in IFPI year-end chart. Mind you you're the guy who insert both Harry and Taylor into a Myile album thread, your whole essay to attack Taylor is caused by one sentence posted by random user. this is so embarrassing like you really didn't think about yourself before typing this

1, I'm not a guy and my pronouns are right there. 

2, I was defending Miley Sza and Harry because I saw this tweet and its replies, which was posted at the same time as this person posted that here

Literally just pointing out that there was nothing "sus" about any of these numbers and if there was something "sus" with them, then there was something "sus" with Midnights. It wasn't dragging Taylor, mind you.

 

I find it really annoying that people are now claiming that Flowers doesn't deserve its success and it was all a fraud because the album isn't getting massive streams, when that has historically happened to lots of artists. Perhaps have a conversation with the people pushing that agenda.

 

I'm gonna go outside and enjoy my Satuday.

[Monster Queen]

Just now, SignificantOther said:

Good for local Taylor I guess. She can keep the American market while global Harry does better in European countries, in Australia, in New-Zealand and in South-America.

Good for Local Harry I guess, like no one knows who is Harry in Asia which held half population of the world  

[SignificantOther]

Just now, Monster Queen said:

Good for Local Harry I guess, like no one knows who is Harry in Asia which held half population of the world  

That's why he's currently touring stadiums there.  

[znake]

Why people is here coming for Harry Styles? 
 As It Was is bigger than any Taylor Swift single 

 

poor Miley ,but she didn’t promote well and that Disney yard sessions were not good

she can do so much better , interviews and real live performances 

 

[The Music Industry]

Just now, SignificantOther said:

Good for local Taylor I guess. She can keep the American market while global Harry does better in European countries, in Australia, in New-Zealand and in South-America.

"Local" Taylor when she was just named the top global artist of 2022? Ok  And no, Harry is certainly not bigger than her in Oceania, nor is he bigger in Asia and North America, so your argument makes no sense at all.

[Rihannito]

The swifties awaiting any female artist to fail so they could prove they stan the best...SO VILE.

 

O.T : The album will have legs in the long run if promoted well, if not then, it's all her fault...

 

 

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, More Than A Melody said:

1, I'm not a guy and my pronouns are right there. 

2, I was defending Miley Sza and Harry because I saw this tweet and its replies, which was posted at the same time as this person posted that here

Literally just pointing out that there was nothing "sus" about any of these numbers and if there was something "sus" with them, then there was something "sus" with Midnights. It wasn't dragging Taylor, mind you.

 

I find it really annoying that people are now claiming that Flowers doesn't deserve its success and it was all a fraud because the album isn't getting massive streams, when that has historically happened to lots of artists. Perhaps have a conversation with the people pushing that agenda.

 

I'm gonna go outside and enjoy my Satuday.

 

And that user already said themselves that they didn't tweet anything about this topic:

53 minutes ago, taylor__fan said:

I dont know Whose Twitter you are talking about. I didnt tweet anything regarding this. Go try to spy someone else, I actually like Miley a lot

 

First bringing up Taylor and 'Midnights' when no one mentioned those, then bringing up tweets when we're at a ATRL thread here, then falsely claiming those tweets were made by a user here (when they already denied it), and now acting like Swift fans have attacked you with Taylor's stats… 

 

Who are you trying to gaslight here?

 

[Selegend]

Stan war is tiring so my only post will be that one about the “collab artist” Selena’s Rare non-singles doing more streams than the Legend uncomparable on another level Miley’s ESV in 2020. And we’re in 2023, Spotify is bigger. interesting how people wanted more to hear the whole project of the “collab artist” 

 

with that said, what smilers are getting from arianators, swifities, dua lipa fans and etc is kinda deserved. They were something else especially on Twitter, more than here on ATRL. 

 

[wish]

Younger Now debut: 6M

Plastic Hearts debut WITHOUT singles: 11M

Endless Summer Vacation debut WITHOUT singles: 19M

 

She keeps nearly doubling her numbers every era

[Ampersand13]

I’m honestly baffled. I didn’t think she was going to break records or anything like that, but expected a bigger debut at least. Does not take away from the fact that I really like this record! Just kind of bewildered 

[JawBreaker]

36 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Harry’s House after 210 days + a month for As It Was

Midnights after 140 days 

 

Predicted days for 4B streams - 167 days 

 

Harry’s House's daily streams before Grammy boost (and while he was on tour) - 8,633,541 

 

 

More tracks = less average streams

If Midnights had only 13 songs, it would even have more streams per track but despite that, Midnights tracks still outperformed Harry’s House tracks. 

 

 

Conclusion - Midnights, an album 17 years into Taylor's career STOMPED on every one of Harry’s albums just like The Eras Tour STOMPED on what Love On Tour did in 3 years, as i promised you months ago.

Welcome back 

Clock it! 

 

That user is so embarrassing I dont know how u guys actually read their essays

When I see them I just scroll past them cuz I just know it's a bunch of nonsense lol

[More Than A Melody]

Just now, Feanor said:

 

And that user already said themselves that they didn't tweet anything about this topic:

 

First bringing up Taylor and 'Midnights' when no one mentioned those, then bringing up tweets when we're at a ATRL thread here, then falsely claiming those tweets were made by a user here (when they already denied it), and now acting like Swift fans have attacked you with Taylor's stats… 

 

Who are you trying to gaslight here?

 

My bad, I assumed it had to be an isolated case of someone who was very weird to imply that Flowers and all other Columbia big singles (and Sza for whatever reason) are "sus" at the same time was the same person. Turns out, no, Swifties all collectively decided to have this brain fart at the same time, or one of them started it and they all parroted it.

 

Once again, I know nuance isn't Swifites' forte, but no one was dragging her or attacking her or putting her down. The comparison was: Sza and Harry are outstreaming Midnights, therefore, if their numbers are fraudulent and sus, so are Taylor's. I personally think none of these artists' have fraudulent numbers (but they all benefit from Spotify payola in one way or another). I also explained that Miley's numbers were on par with her previous releases.

 

You're the ones who can't take even tangential comments that you perceive as criticism. Get thicker skin, please.

[Monster Queen]

8 minutes ago, SignificantOther said:

That's why he's currently touring stadiums there.  

And you act Taylor can't tour stadiums in the UK, Australia and New Zealand

Spotify Taiwan:

Taylor #6

Harry #107

 

Philippines:

Taylor #1

Harry #22

 

Vietnam:

Taylor #10

Harry #118

 

Singapore:

Taylor #1

Harry #14

 

Indonesia:

Taylor #4

Harry #72

 

I don't even mention China, the biggest country of the world where Spotify is not available, good for his cute fanbase there who try there best to fill the stadium, but still, nobody knows who he is in Asia 

Edited March 11, 2023 by Monster Queen

[Starkboy]

...why in the world is this a Harry vs Taylor thread

[Enrique523]

5 hours ago, FolkLover1989 said:

She had the biggest song 

 

And some even crowned her biggest popstar of 21st century and then this happened 

 

This is not good at all. No way to spin it

Which is honestly such a joke. Miley had quite a few flops before Flowers smashed out of nowhere, she doesn't have a real fanbase. I'm absolutely not surprised to see the album having such low numbers, people are not that interested in her as an artist, they just liked that one song.

[BrokenMachine]

1 minute ago, Starkboy said:

...why in the world is this a Harry vs Taylor thread

This. The way they totally forgot about Miley 

[SignificantOther]

1 minute ago, Monster Queen said:

And you act Taylor can't tour stadiums in the UK, Australia and New Zealand

Spotify Taiwan:

Taylor #6

Harry #107

 

Philippines:

Taylor #1

Harry #22

 

Vietnam:

Taylor #10

Harry #118

 

Singapore:

Taylor #1

Harry #14

 

Indonesia:

Taylor #4

Harry #72

 

I don't even mention China, the biggest counrty of the world where doesn't use Spotify, good for his cute fanbase there who try there best to fill the stumdium, but still, nobody knows who he is in Asia 

 

Are you seriously comparing someone with ten albums to someone with three? 

[Monster Queen]

Just now, SignificantOther said:

Are you seriously comparing someone with ten albums to someone with three? 

So Midnights outsold Harry's house GLOBALLY in two months, what's next? I really don't want to fight with you cause this is so boring