Why will Taylor Swift surpass Madonna?

[ChandlerBing]

It is inevitable at this point that Taylor will become the biggest female artist that has ever lived. What are some crucial things that she did right and Madonna did wrong in the past 15 years?

[Taylor fanboy]

Maybe

 

What a

 

Madonna is 

 

and Taylor has 

 

 

where she can co-exist with Madonna as Blonde Legends in Music.

 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by Taylor fanboy

[Badgalbriel]

I dont think that's happening anytime soon. 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Taylor could very well check out the commercial boxes but impact wise it just isnt the same and everyone knows it. Madonna will be remembered for a long, long time as a cultural figure alone. The music is secondary to her legacy in my opinion.

[unison stan]

except she won't 

[FolkLover1989]

2 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Taylor could very well check out the commercial boxes but impact wise it just isnt the same and everyone knows it. Madonna will be remembered for a long, long time as a cultural figure alone. The music is secondary to her legacy in my opinion.

And Music is what that matters. 

 

And yes Madonna will always be the biggest. But people forget nothing can outlast art. This impact talk is just made up

[Into The Void]

16 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said:

Maybe

 

What a

 

Madonna is 

 

and Taylor has 

 

 

where she can co-exist with Madonna as Blonde Legends in Music.

 

 

 

[chaklux]

15 minutes ago, ChandlerBing said:

It is inevitable at this point that Taylor will become the biggest female artist that has ever lived. What are some crucial things that she did right and Madonna did wrong in the past 15 years?

Taylor can never surpass Madonna. Even Madonna isn't the biggest female artist of all time. According to rolling stones and many lists out there, Aretha Franklin is. I don't know why you guys are so obsessed with sales and see it as the only way to measure impact. There are many female artists that has come before Taylor. They didn't sell up to what she did but she ain't touching their legacy. Taylor is very successful but nowhere near the biggest ever when all factors are considered. For starters, Beyoncé is still the biggest female artist this century impact wise and not Taylor (Beyoncé has her both an iconic solo career and that of destiny's child). How can Taylor surpass Madonna when she can't even surpass Beyoncé (aside in sales).

[vale9001]

what taylor made right in the last 10 years: being young

what madonna did wrong: being over 55

 

what this question even means?. 

 

 

 

 

[vale9001]

3 minutes ago, chaklux said:

Taylor can never surpass Madonna. Even Madonna isn't the biggest female artist of all time. According to rolling stones and many lists out there, Aretha Franklin is. I don't know why you guys are so obsessed with sales and see it as the only way to measure impact. There are many female artists that has come before Taylor. They didn't sell up to what she did but she ain't touching their legacy. Taylor is very successful but nowhere near the biggest ever when all factors are considered. For starters, Beyoncé is still the biggest female artist this century impact wise and not Taylor (Beyoncé has her both an iconic solo career and that of destiny's child). How can Taylor surpass Madonna when she can't even surpass Beyoncé (aside in sales).

Rolling Stone magazine is not a way to measure impact too. 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

7 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

And Music is what that matters. 

 

And yes Madonna will always be the biggest. But people forget nothing can outlast art. This impact talk is just made up

Madonna herself is the art. Music is just one of the components. The concept of Madonna is part of 20th century literature. Madonna is a figure like Michael Jackson. Taylor swift lacks that component. Taylor will eventually be the bigger musician but that will be about it. I mean, im pretty sure Garth Brooks has more diamond albums than Michael Jackson but that doesnt take away anything either

[chaklux]

5 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

And Music is what that matters. 

 

And yes Madonna will always be the biggest. But people forget nothing can outlast art. This impact talk is just made up

Impact isn't made up. Impact is true. Go check several lists of greatest artists of all time and you will see artists whose total sales isn't even up to 10 million on the list. Drake is the second best selling rapper of all time after Eminem. Does that make him greater than Jay-Z, Nas, Tupac, et al? Hell no. Swifties are just so obsessed with making everything about sales,when it isn't. Sales is just a fraction of what makes one an icon,there are several other factors to be considered. Nicki Minaj has sold more than Lauryn Hill, doesn't make her greater. 

[ChandlerBing]

5 minutes ago, chaklux said:

Taylor can never surpass Madonna. Even Madonna isn't the biggest female artist of all time. According to rolling stones and many lists out there, Aretha Franklin is. I don't know why you guys are so obsessed with sales and see it as the only way to measure impact. There are many female artists that has come before Taylor. They didn't sell up to what she did but she ain't touching their legacy. Taylor is very successful but nowhere near the biggest ever when all factors are considered. For starters, Beyoncé is still the biggest female artist this century impact wise and not Taylor (Beyoncé has her both an iconic solo career and that of destiny's child). How can Taylor surpass Madonna when she can't even surpass Beyoncé (aside in sales).

Beyonce might be big in the USA but honestly she is not even close to a top 10 female artists of all time globally, lets be real.

Edited February 3, 2023 by ChandlerBing

[Heartbreak Prince]

4 minutes ago, chaklux said:

Taylor can never surpass Madonna. Even Madonna isn't the biggest female artist of all time. According to rolling stones and many lists out there, Aretha Franklin is. I don't know why you guys are so obsessed with sales and see it as the only way to measure impact. There are many female artists that has come before Taylor. They didn't sell up to what she did but she ain't touching their legacy. Taylor is very successful but nowhere near the biggest ever when all factors are considered. For starters, Beyoncé is still the biggest female artist this century impact wise and not Taylor (Beyoncé has her both an iconic solo career and that of destiny's child). How can Taylor surpass Madonna when she can't even surpass Beyoncé (aside in sales).

Taylor has surpassed Beyoncé in multiple ways and will surpass Madonna eventually. You're out here using Rolling Stones as a way to measure impact.  

[FolkLover1989]

1 minute ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Madonna herself is the art. Music is just one of the components. The concept of Madonna is part of 20th century literature. Madonna is a figure like Michael Jackson. Taylor swift lacks that component. Taylor will eventually be the bigger musician but that will be about it. I mean, im pretty sure Garth Brooks has more diamond albums than Michael Jackson but that doesnt take away anything either

Garth Brooks and Taylor Swift are not even comparable and even you know that lol

 

Taylor consistency in producing music is simply better ,it's not a science 

[chaklux]

1 minute ago, vale9001 said:

Rolling Stone magazine is not a way to measure impact too. 

Like I said, it's just one of many lists. Go check out several and you will see artists with negligible sales on there. It's not all about sales. 

[Madonno]

Nope,she wont

Her fraudulent chart stats are not the tea

[vale9001]

Everyone already taling about impact.

 

So here a easons Taylor could surpass madonna in sales: thinking only how to make the music people can like, work harder and harder to refine and improve the craftchip of the music and not that much to "how can i have a have cultural impact". Thing someone and their team thinks too much about  

Edited February 3, 2023 by vale9001

[Taylena]

Madonna only has like 5 good songs. Taylor already surpassed her long ago. 

[Madonno]

Just now, vale9001 said:

Everyone already taling about impact.

 

So here a easons Taylor could surpass madonna in sales: thinking only how to make the music people can like, work harder and harder to refine and improve the craftchip of the music and not that much to "how can i have a have cultural impact"  

Taylor can surpass Madonna in sales?

Hell no

That´s impossible

Taylor "sales" includes a HUGE portion of strams. Those are not sales, just stream....

In this climate, is impossible to reach Madonna´s sales

[tiagol88]

5 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said:

And Music is what that matters. 

 

And yes Madonna will always be the biggest. But people forget nothing can outlast art. This impact talk is just made up

It really isn't though. People keep talking about how bad Bey's streams are and how "behind" she is to everyone else that's releasing music yet she's selling out all stadiums she's booking and her album did great with no promo. That's impact. And impact is not always reflected on the charts. There's a lot of variables to it, specially nowadays where algorithms help you on the charts everywhere. A song like Formation peaked at #10 yet it had more impact that any #1 hit from Nicki Minaj. 

 

You can have impact but a crappy team that doesn't take advantage of it. 

 

Look at Miley Cyrus and her new single. It's not a coincidence it's doing these numbers as soon as she went to a label that cared. If that same song has been released a year ago, i'd bet it wouldn't be a top 10 hit.

 

An artist like Madonna has impact and it's not always reflected on the charts because some of the stuff she has done ISN'T going to connect to a big audience, like the Erotica era, or when she opposed the Iraq war back in 2003 when everyone in america wanted it to happen. Yet both eras provoked discussions everywhere and were important, specially the Erotica period. It had impact...but its chart positions were lackluster.

 

Actually, a case like this can be made for a certain Taylor album: Reputation. Its chart placements were always a bit "bad" when you compare it with 1989 and Lover...yet how can anyone say its first single and album release had no impact? It's probably one of the biggest 1st singles and videos Taylor ever released in terms of impact and pop culture relevance now when we look back. The world stopped for that. But was that reflected on the charts? I really don't think so.

[vale9001]

1 minute ago, chaklux said:

Like I said, it's just one of many lists. Go check out several and you will see artists with negligible sales on there. It's not all about sales. 

Ok.

This thread is about sales I guess so let's talk about sales and the question the thread is asking us? 

[chaklux]

1 minute ago, Heartbreak Prince said:

Taylor has surpassed Beyoncé in multiple ways and will surpass Madonna eventually. You're out here using Rolling Stones as a way to measure impact.  

Taylor will never surpass both of them. It's only in atrl that you think so. In the last 10 years, beyoncé has released far more acclaimed body of work than Taylor's. Self titled, Lemonade and Renaissance are more acclaimed than Taylor's albums which is what really matters artistically and not sales. 

[vale9001]

Just now, Madonno said:

Taylor can surpass Madonna in sales?

Hell no

That´s impossible

Taylor "sales" includes a HUGE portion of strams. Those are not sales, just stream....

In this climate, is impossible to reach Madonna´s sales

ok

and in the 2000s madonna wouldn't have sell 200M pure sales copies but 60M as taylor or Beyoncè probaly.

Having 11 very streamed albums it's not like something everyone gets only because we are in the streaming era.

 

[vale9001]

2 minutes ago, chaklux said:

Taylor will never surpass both of them. It's only in atrl that you think so. In the last 10 years, beyoncé has released far more acclaimed body of work than Taylor's. Self titled, Lemonade and Renaissance are more acclaimed than Taylor's albums which is what really matters artistically and not sales. 

Again metacritic or whataver means nothing and nowdays their votes are ridicolous but Red TV 92, folklore and evermore 88 and 85, midnights 85. You're acting as Taylor it's not critically acclaimed.