Did Gaga ruin her chances of being the new Madonna?

[PoisonPill]

7 hours ago, P.O.P said:

She definitely has the nose for it

This is why there needs to be an age limit on ATRL registration (both minimum and maximum).

[GlamSlam]

On 1/31/2023 at 10:18 PM, JennyWayne said:

Panned acting career and all

 

OT: Gaga has moved past the Madonna comparisons for over a decade now. Gaga paved her own way with Jazz music and a succesful acting career these past few years. Anyone who can't recognize that is either biased or delusional.

and yet she trashed her in that joyless documentary and then had the audacity to go running to Madonna's party to parade that Oscar around (for a song she co wrote with 3 other writers). So much for moving on.

For the record, M recorded a Jazz album (of original material) 24 years prior to Gaga doing a bunch of covers. She also had 3 box office #1 hits with Evita, Dick Tracy and ALOTO. Gaga's been in two movies (so far), one that was critically panned and her accent mocked by dialogue coaches

 

OT, What's so great about Madonna is the fact she was smart enough not to invent a ridiculous character / facade by pretending to be someone she wasn't from the get go, she let the music speak for itself and she didn't put all her eggs in one basket. Her reinventions always had a correlation to the music, unlike those that looked like they just poured glue over themselves and rolled around in a dumpster. Madonna progressed and served quality time and again. The GP couldn't get enough of her, which is why she become the superstar she is.

 

Something else to take in to consideration is the fact Gaga crashed and burned soon after firing her team, which to me, suggests they were the mastermind behind those early years and not Gaga, even Laurianne Gibson admitted they used Madonna's blueprint to make Gaga a success.  

 

The huge drop in popularity / sales after TF was shocking to say the least. I felt nothing but pity for Gaga during the Artpop era, because she had gone from being: "the next Madonna" to a complete and utter laughing stock within a few years, and was accepting any old crap cameo to keep her name in the public domain. In Madonna's fifth year of her career, Like a Virgin had become one of the biggest selling albums of the 80's, "Desperately Seeking Susan" sent her stratospheric, 6 #1 singles on the BB chart and True Blue turned her into an icon. The woman performed to an audience of 131,000 on one Who's That Girl tour date alone...compare this to Gaga 5 years in and well...

Edited February 2, 2023 by GlamSlam

[PoisonPill]

7 hours ago, Jjang said:

The new Madonna was already ambitiously delusional this is even worse 

Nah, the Barbra/Gaga career parallels line up pretty well.

 

NYC born-and-raised girls who had dreams of Broadway and the big stage at an early age. Spent their teens and early 20s playing gigs at downtown bars and clubs while trying to break through. Written off for not having conventional movie-star looks and prominent noses.

 

Acclaimed starring roles in A Star is Born that won Oscars for Best Song (though Gaga got an acting nomination which even Barbra didn't).

A robust and successful career as a pop artist with many big hits (though Gaga's peak was bigger), then a highly successful transition into film and other creative pursuits. I fully expect Gaga to move into directing like Barbra did.

 

Forged an untouchable reputation as a entertainment multi-talent and living legend. Still able to snag the occasional pop hit even though that's no longer the focus.

 

And not sure how one would think being the next Barbra is "even worse" than the new Madonna? All it takes is a quick comparison of Barbra vs. Madonna's current careers in terms of acclaim, legacy, respect and album sales. 

[SharonStone]

Did Gaga ruin her chances of becoming a woman so in need of attention that she runs around saying, "why is anti-racism and anti-homohobia a thing, but hating me is ok"? Thank God she did.

[bestfiction]

9 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

 

 

And not sure how one would think being the next Barbra is "even worse" than the new Madonna? All it takes is a quick comparison of Barbra vs. Madonna's current careers in terms of acclaim, legacy, respect and album sales. 

Madonna does better in all these metrics than Barbara so now what

Edited February 1, 2023 by bestfiction

[chaklux]

19 hours ago, MadMax12 said:

She is the best selling female artist of all time and ruled in the 80’s and 90’s. Taylor seems to be the only one with potential of having that kind of success 

Doesn't mean one should aspire to be a replica of another artist though. Gaga has carved her own lane and has her own identity which is better than being another Madonna. Beyoncé for example, we can see an element of Tina Turner, Mj, et al in her especially when she first went solo but she owned it and created her own identity. No one sees her as this generation MJ or Tina. We all see her as Beyoncé which is better in my opinion. 

 

PS: Madonna career is much more than just sales. A legendary, iconic, eventful and very interesting career. Taylor doesn't even begin to compare. Taylor is just all commercial stat. Behind all that, it's a talented but boring and bland artist who chose to play it all safe and simple just for commercial success. When all is said and done, and we look back to this generation, no high points careerwise to discuss as regards career like one we do with the likes of Madonna, Mj, Beyoncé, etc. It's takes more than commercial success to be a legend really. Taylor career is the most boring career ever for a mega star. 

[perfillusion]

19 hours ago, MadMax12 said:

In 2009-2011 everyone believed Gaga was the new Madonna. She had the visuals, impact, talent, ambition and determination. But she began taking risks too early, and when she had a decline she gave up. Madonna always stayed focused, at work and healthy which is why she was able to have lots of hit albums and singles. Gaga was able to recover but got in a habit of giving up and taking long breaks. Did she ruin her chances of having a career like Madonna?

No one looks at this racist, homophobic, pathetic display and goes "my fave ruined her chance to become this" 

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/madonna-compares-ageism-her-racism-777725/ 

 

It's 2023, not 1989. Let's get with the times.

[MadOnHer]

23 minutes ago, GlamSlam said:

What's so great about Madonna is the fact that she was smart enough not to invent a ridiculous character / facade by pretending to be someone she wasn't from the get go, she let the music speak for itself and didn't put all her eggs in one basket at the very beginning of her career. Her reinventions always had a correlation to the music, unlike those who look like they've just poured glue over themselves and rolled around in a dumpster.  Madonna progressed and served quality time and time again. The GP couldn't get enough of her, which is why she become the superstar she is  Another huge factor to take into consideration is the fact that Gaga crashed and burned soon after firing her creative team, which to me, is pretty evident that they were the mastermind behind those early years and not Gaga - even then Laurianne Gibson said they used Madonna's blueprint to make Gaga a success.  

Her huge decrease in sales after TF is telling indeed, and the sales of Artpop is actually quite shocking to say the least, I really did have pity for Gaga back then because she had gone from being called "the next Madonna" to accepting any old crap cameo to keep her name in the public domain. At that point in Madonna's career, Like a Virgin was one of the biggest selling albums of the 80's, "Desperately Seeking Susan" sent her stratospheric, and True Blue turned her into an icon. The woman was performing to an audience of 131,000 on one date alone on the Who's That Girl tour....compare this to Gaga 5 years in and well...

 

Anyone who thinks Gaga is on the same level (or bigger) than Madonna is either biased or delusional.

[narid]

Lady GaGa is the Ava Max of her generation.  .

 

Let’s go Liddos! Join forces with Maxipads and you might give your fave another hit! 

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by narid

[PoisonPill]

15 minutes ago, bestfiction said:

Madonna does better in all these metrics than Barbara so now what

That's simply factually, empirically, objectively not true.

[bestfiction]

3 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

That's simply factually, empirically, objectively not true.

Receipts?

[GlamSlam]

26 minutes ago, perfillusion said:

No one looks at this racist, homophobic, pathetic display and goes "my fave ruined her chance to become this" 

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/madonna-compares-ageism-her-racism-777725/ 

 

It's 2023, not 1989. Let's get with the times.

Remember this when you're regurgitating Fame numbers or the Oscar.

 

[Jjang]

52 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

Nah, the Barbra/Gaga career parallels line up pretty well.

 

NYC born-and-raised girls who had dreams of Broadway and the big stage at an early age. Spent their teens and early 20s playing gigs at downtown bars and clubs while trying to break through. Written off for not having conventional movie-star looks and prominent noses.

 

Acclaimed starring roles in A Star is Born that won Oscars for Best Song (though Gaga got an acting nomination which even Barbra didn't).

A robust and successful career as a pop artist with many big hits (though Gaga's peak was bigger), then a highly successful transition into film and other creative pursuits. I fully expect Gaga to move into directing like Barbra did.

 

Forged an untouchable reputation as a entertainment multi-talent and living legend. Still able to snag the occasional pop hit even though that's no longer the focus.

 

And not sure how one would think being the next Barbra is "even worse" than the new Madonna? All it takes is a quick comparison of Barbra vs. Madonna's current careers in terms of acclaim, legacy, respect and album sales. 

Tell me you have 0 knowledge about Barbra’s career without telling me: 

[Mystic Boy]

5 hours ago, GlamSlam said:

and yet she trashed her in that joyless documentary and then had the audacity to go running to Madonna's party to parade that Oscar around (for a song she co wrote with 3 other writers). So much for moving on.

For the record, M recorded a Jazz album (of original material) 24 years prior to Gaga doing a bunch of covers. She also had 3 box office #1 hits with Evita, Dick Tracy and ALOTO. Gaga's been in two movies (so far), one that was critically panned and her accent mocked by dialogue coaches, so now what? 

 

OT, What's so great about Madonna is the fact that she was smart enough not to invent a ridiculous character / facade by pretending to be someone she wasn't from the get go, she let the music speak for itself and she didn't put all her eggs in one basket at the very beginning of her career. Her reinventions always had a correlation to the music, unlike those who look like they've just poured glue over themselves and rolled around in a dumpster, Madonna progressed and served quality time and time again. The GP couldn't get enough of her, which is why she become the superstar she is  Another huge factor to take into consideration is the fact Gaga crashed and burned soon after firing her creative team, which to me, is pretty evident that they were the mastermind behind those early years and not Gaga - even Laurianne Gibson admitted they used Madonna's blueprint to make Gaga a success.  

Her huge decrease in sales after TF is telling indeed, and the sales of Artpop is actually quite shocking to say the least, I really did have pity for Gaga back then because she had gone from being called "the next Madonna" to accepting any old crap cameo to keep her name in the public domain. At that point in Madonna's career, Like a Virgin was one of the biggest selling albums of the 80's "Desperately Seeking Susan" sent her stratospheric, and True Blue turned her into an icon and was bigger than LAV. The woman performed to an audience of 131,000 on one Who's That Girl tour date alone...compare this to Gaga 5 years in and well...

 

Anyone who thinks Gaga is on the same level (or bigger) than Madonna is either biased or delusional.

The anger

It's really not that serious

[GreatestLoveofAll]

She was definitely inspired by Madonna. but she always wanted to have the multi-faceted career she has now. Plus she was also very much influenced by Elton and David Bowie- who were just as, if not more, flashy than Madonna. I though we covered this a while ago- she was the closest we had to a 21st century Madge but she always was clear that Madge wasnt her BIGGEST influence. At least from what i see. And she's been doing very well so she did well not to follow the Madonna route.

[John Slayne]

she took a different direction and it works better for her. reaching Madonna's impact and success in music and touring is unrealistic so she'd never be able to match even if she tried. she decided to branch out instead and focus on her vocals and acting rather than pop music and it paid off, she's doing a lot better than all of her 00s peers except Taylor

 

besides, her career and celebrity persona are the most unique in her generation and she has a lot of goodwill with the GP that translates into movie tickets sold and acting roles she's been booking. things certainly worked out in her favour, had she kept chasing Madonna's legacy I don't think she'd be as successful as she is today, she'd be seen as a cheap copy

[MonsterJohn]

 

can the psychotics obsessively hating from both fanbase leave them alone now then?

[Mystic Boy]

9 hours ago, GreatestLoveofAll said:

She was definitely inspired by Madonna. but she always wanted to have the multi-faceted career she has now. Plus she was also very much influenced by Elton and David Bowie- who were just as, if not more, flashy than Madonna. I though we covered this a while ago- she was the closest we had to a 21st century Madge but she always was clear that Madge wasnt her BIGGEST influence. At least from what i see. And she's been doing very well so she did well not to follow the Madonna route.

Exactly, Madonna was never her main influence. 

[MotherSuperior]

On 2/1/2023 at 7:38 AM, Pop said:

Being “the new Madonna” might have been desirable in the 00s, but we are in 2020’s now and nowadays nobody wants to end up like her. 

Look at the mess in your avatar and you're saying trash like this.

 

All of those pop girls would kill for Madonna's career.

[RandomHooker]

9 hours ago, Mystic Boy said:

The anger

It's really not that serious

The worst part is that he's a full ass grown man acting this way on the internet.

[So.. what now]

Yes, by releasing joanne.

[Winged]

She wasn’t even a contender to become one in the first place this thread is just a clickbite

[Madonno]

Gosh Lord, this kind of thread are so annoying.

Why do people like to be always so angry and pitty?

 

Gaga is on her own path to become her own myth-legend one time. Leave her alone

[GlamSlam]

4 hours ago, RandomHooker said:

The worst part is that he's a full ass grown man acting this way on the internet.

What way?

 

The OP asked us a question, and I answered with facts, truth and honesty, but I can see how those would annoy a specific fanbase considering they thrive on everything but.

[Kaykay]

She took risks and went on to serve her versatility in singing, performing, and acting and has since been praised and awarded as well as pulling good numbers. She just simply makes herself a tricon that rarely anybody else can become.