GlamSlam Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Take Me Apart said: Who said she was gonna be the next Madonna ? I don't think Madonna's sales took a nosedive after her debut album They didn't. The trajectory of Like a Virgin and True Blue increased instead of decreasing. It's fair to say all her 80's albums would've sold a lot more had they not been cannibalised by The Immaculate Collection. Edited February 7, 2023 by GlamSlam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamSlam Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, wesleywalrus said: Madonna tarnished her image within the past 5 years and Gaga is at the height of her Hollywood presence, 14 years into her career. Yes, let's just ignore the 25-30 years when Madonna was on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Boy Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 47 minutes ago, GlamSlam said: and yet she went back to the weird costumes again right after ASIB, but the GP said "NO". Madonna's creativity was still flowing a decade in, so she would never have regressed after Evita, which is why we got the award winning Ray of Light era, and you got....Chromatica. If Stefani Germanotta had let "the talent" speak for itself, she wouldn't have created "Lady Gaga" to stand out from the likes of Christina Aguilera and Gwen Stefani. Now that the public have grown tired of it, she's in the same category as The Spice Girls and so on - a nostalgia act mostly remembered for their costumes and past glories more than the actual music. and since when is this "graceful"... One rule for Madonna and another for everyone else. The way you dont even believe that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, wesleywalrus said: Madonna tarnished her image within the past 5 years and Gaga is at the height of her Hollywood presence, 14 years into her career. Madonna's career began in 2017? 15 minutes ago, GlamSlam said: Yes, let's just ignore the 25-30 years when Madonna was on top. Exactly. Their whole delusional premise is built on this fantasy that Madonna's career from 1982-2012 doesn't exist anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamSlam Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said: The way you dont even believe that So why was Chromatica a flop in comparison to ASIB soundtrack? She could've built on that sound, but instead she regressed and went back to making pop ditties and putting on costumes. That is not what the GP wanted from her - we all saw how Stupid Love bombed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamSlam Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Jjang said: Madonna's career began in 2017? Exactly. Their whole delusional premise is built on this fantasy that Madonna's career from 1982-2012 doesn't exist anymore lmao. We know they hate Madonna with a passion, but trying to erase those years is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glam Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, GlamSlam said: Talent isn't often measured by trophies. What about all the talented acts who didn't win Grammys and Oscars like Queen and Abba? Is Lady Gaga better than them because they don't have them? Madonna's true competitors were Whitney, Janet and Mariah. Lady Gaga was put together by a team with Madonna in mind. A pity her candle (music career) burned out so fast. Burned out so fast yet she had two #1 songs both in 2019 and in 2020 (the last time she released music)? The last time Madonna had a #1 song in the US, the Twin towers were still standing and people still say she's the queen of longevity. Edited February 7, 2023 by Glam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesleywalrus Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jjang said: Madonna's career began in 2017? Are you trying to start an argument or just lack reading comprehension skills? Madonna's stunts within the past 5 years have tarnished her image with her generation, as well as turned people off in the younger generation from becoming a fan of hers. This doesn't take away any of her accomplishments from the previous couple decades, but her media presence in the past few years has made people forgot about that success. It's blatantly obvious because the Madame X tour failed to ignite a spark with audiences, but just the mention of a "Greatest Hits tour" got her to sell out a bunch of arenas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadOnHer Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, wesleywalrus said: It's blatantly obvious because the Madame X tour failed to ignite a spark with audiences, but just the mention of a "Greatest Hits tour" got her to sell out a bunch of arenas. So blatantly obvious that I haven't got a clue what you are talking about?? The Madame X Tour was a 100% sellout with an average ticket price of almost $300! It was also a critical success. So how did it fail to "ignite a spark with audiences" exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, wesleywalrus said: Are you trying to start an argument or just lack reading comprehension skills? Madonna's stunts within the past 5 years have tarnished her image with her generation, as well as turned people off in the younger generation from becoming a fan of hers. This doesn't take away any of her accomplishments from the previous couple decades, but her media presence in the past few years has made people forgot about that success. It's blatantly obvious because the Madame X tour failed to ignite a spark with audiences, but just the mention of a "Greatest Hits tour" got her to sell out a bunch of arenas. But that doesn't matter in the grand scope of things. Amy Winehouse, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson etc... all of them had their popularity decline and their reputation damaged and yet look how relevant they still are years post death Legacy =/= reputation. It's like claiming a groundbreaking and cinematically trailblazing movie franchise that single handedly changed the movie industry is no longer that because the last movie of the franchise flopped. History is not erased. Edited February 7, 2023 by Jjang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightDragonsWithMe Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Gaga feels like Britney to me in that she had a huge successful debut + ep then she burned out immediately but Gaga turned herself into a successful actress singing Céline Dion-lite Ballads off ASIB so i guess I do see the Cher comparisons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamSlam Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Glam said: Burned out so fast yet she had two #1 songs both in 2019 and in 2020 (the last time she released music)? The last time Madonna had a #1 song in the US, the Twin towers were still standing and people still say she's the queen of longevity. Predictable response! It's not like both weren't duets, one was with streaming elixir, Ariana, and the other was a hit with Bradley for obvious reasons, but also because of the Starbucks fiasco. Has everyone forgotten how abysmal it was doing in it's first few weeks of release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestfiction Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, wesleywalrus said: Are you trying to start an argument or just lack reading comprehension skills? Madonna's stunts within the past 5 years have tarnished her image with her generation, as well as turned people off in the younger generation from becoming a fan of hers. This doesn't take away any of her accomplishments from the previous couple decades, but her media presence in the past few years has made people forgot about that success. It's blatantly obvious because the Madame X tour failed to ignite a spark with audiences, but just the mention of a "Greatest Hits tour" got her to sell out a bunch of arenas. Younger generation has been filming tiktoks using Madonna songs throughout the last year alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glam Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, GlamSlam said: Predictable response! It's not like both weren't duets, one was with streaming elixir, Ariana, and the other was a hit with Bradley for obvious reasons, but also because of the Starbucks fiasco. Has everyone forgotten how abysmal it was doing in it's first few weeks of release? Your argument was predictable too Bradley has had other movies since then and they have flopped. Either way we should respect the elderly so I won't disrespect Madonna anymore. Cheers. Edited February 7, 2023 by Glam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamSlam Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Glam said: Your argument was predictable too Bradley has had other movies since then and they have flopped. Either way we should respect the elderly so I won't disrespect Madonna anymore. Cheers. ...but still the truth. Remind us again how well the following singles from Chromatica performed. Even the Top Gun single failed to crack the top 40, despite the movie being a huge success, and to top it off, OneRepublic totally overshadowed it. Mock the Queen of pop all you like, but at least she's had decades of global chart / tour success. Her last US #1 happened 18 years into her career, unlike Gaga who's last US solo #1 was 3 years in. lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadonnasBoyfriend Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 She did. I think she tried to cram all Madonnas looks into the fame monster and born this way era and then Madonna invented the word reductive which caused her to be sour grapes about Madonna. She kinda shot herself in the foot. No pop girls 40s will go as well as Madonnas 40s went for her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OreGuy Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Glam said: The last time Madonna had a #1 song in the US, the Twin towers were still standing and people still say she's the queen of longevity. Now that's a drag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 5 hours ago, wesleywalrus said: Gaga is at the height of her Hollywood presence, 14 years into her career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 I feel like certain fans live in an alternate reality or something. It's extremely comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Glam said: 3 X Oscar nominee Yes, NOMINEE. 6 hours ago, Glam said: and winner For a song. Not for her acting performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Glam said: The last time Madonna had a #1 song in the US, the Twin towers were still standing Wow. Mentioning the twin towers after what happened but of course the mods won't do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginald Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Not this thread still going strong a week later!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youkneekorn Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Madonna’s music career is UNTOUCHABLE for any current pop girlies, yes, even Taylor Swift, let alone someone who flopped hard in 3 years like Lady Gaga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glam Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 15 hours ago, Chris said: Wow. Mentioning the twin towers after what happened but of course the mods won't do anything about it. I'm not making fun of those tragic events, I just mentioned it to bring light to the fact that the last time Madonna was truly relevant was at the beginning of the century, yet that fan of hers wants to drag Gaga about relevancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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