dlwlrma Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 NCT Seoul and NCT Jeju Island are coming next year Hopefully we will not see any posts complaining about the push while they lack hits. this metric doesn't matter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adama Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Century said: The point went right over your head. aespa has already had an enormous impact and influence and left the biggest mark on the culture out of their entire generation. Even their "flop" era dominated kpop discussion not just on here but everywhere around the world. Everything they do is huge because they're LEADERS. Seems like you’re the only fanbase who still don’t want to accept that Newjeans is the leader of their generation, already left the biggest mark not only in their generation but accross all the generations and are the closet to SNSD and BP cultural impact 17 minutes ago, Zack said: Please, not when 90% of the thread was lining up to call aespa "fraud" when they got 1 million pre-orders last year. I should know, I had to multiquote it all when the sales did actually come true And it’s still doesn’t change the fact that the SM Stan are the one who always brought sajaegi against IVE . 17 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said: JYP A&R's immediate reaction to Next Level's success made them rush out a girl group where the main concept was making songs that switch up halfway and it backfired horribly. Just because your perception of popularity relies on being entirely numerical doesn't mean that aespa haven't had an observable impact on the industry they work in and have other groups and companies chasing after the same success. First I never said that they didn’t have impact. But I would never compare aespa impact to SNDS be serious. No one will take you seriously when you confidently say that they will have a bigger music legacy than IVE, when no one can predict the future and especially when IVE for now have plenty of popular songs and 2 popular idols! Also, if you want to use Nmixx you can, but this same group like most of the whole Kpop is now following the same sound, strategy and aesthetic of the new popular group . It lasted 2 eras. Congratulations I guess, but everyone moved on, perhaps it’s time for you to do the same Edited October 6, 2023 by Adama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illia Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, hallucinate said: jini debut single out this wednesday don’t forget to tune in ktrl That Taylor Swift-esque song she previewed is stuck in my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallucinate Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, jqnetto said: the way you already spent the opportunity to have her name in the thread title tho i got the schedule mixed up and thought there was a pre-release single coming nnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Adama said: Seems like you’re the only fanbase who still don’t want to accept that Newjeans is the leader of their generation, already left the biggest mark not only their generation but accross all the generations and are the closet to SNSD and BP cultural impact I'm a newjeans fan. They're up there but they haven't peaked yet and aren't even close to realizing their potential. I still believe their peak is going to make BTS and SNSD look indie. The only My I know of that don't live for newjeans are Eternium and Pluto and Pluto hardly counts as a My or a user. Edited October 6, 2023 by Century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 NCT needs to be ban in all the faces of the earth, sorry for their stans here. Aespa and soon to be RIIZE can at least back up their sales with hits and quality 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto6 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) If sales and touring matter the most (which is indeed true), then why does majority of the KTRL constantly drag my fave Stray Kittens for flopping in Korea Edited October 6, 2023 by Pluto2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuki Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 What's up with these sajaegi accusations against IVE? There's proof or... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Odette Violet said: NCT needs to be ban in all the faces of the earth, sorry for their stans here. Aespa and soon to be RIIZE can at least back up their sales with hits and quality If nct has to go, then so does riize Edited October 6, 2023 by katyberry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenyoncee Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 17 minutes ago, dlwlrma said: I agree with sheeps tour and physicals sales are what matter I hope they can understand now why SM push NCT more than any female act We shouldn’t underestimate endorsements ,especially solo CFs. Thats where idols earn the most money since they don’t need to divide the money between the members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adama Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Century said: I'm a newjeans fan. They're up there but they haven't peaked yet and aren't even close to realizing their potential. I still believe their peak is going to make BTS and SNSD look indie. The only My I know of that don't live for newjeans are Eternium and Pluto and Pluto hardly counts as a My or a user. Even if they hasn’t peaked yet, the marks they left are already bigger than anything Aespa did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgaga1fan Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, dlwlrma said: NCT Seoul and NCT Jeju Island are coming next year Hopefully we will not see any posts complaining about the push while they lack hits. this metric doesn't matter If the songs are as good as Perfume they can keep them coming we like them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 "NJ are close to reaching SNSD's and BP's impact11" They're hot right now but let's not set up those poor girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto6 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, dlwlrma said: NCT Seoul and NCT Jeju Island are coming next year Hopefully we will not see any posts complaining about the push while they lack hits. this metric doesn't matter NCT 127 is already NCT Soul though, since the number "127" is the longitude number of Soul Edited October 6, 2023 by Pluto2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenyoncee Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 I'm neutral on both groups but Riize could never 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Look at dives inserting newjeans because they couldn't find anything to say about IVE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Just now, katyberry said: I'm neutral on both groups but Riize could never henny, they just debuted with only 3 song out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adama Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Just now, katyberry said: Look at dives inserting newjeans because they couldn't find anything to say about IVE Nah! The difference it’s that we aren’t delusional like you. Everyone accepted that NJ are the leader of their generation except yall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) I mean NJ are currently hopping on the lane Aespa has been doing since like 2020 so I'm not sure what mark they are offering so far more than the group they are supposedly bigger with inb4 NJ Billboard and Spotify11! Edited October 6, 2023 by Odette Violet 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said: If sales and touring matter the most (which is indeed true), then why does majority of the KTRL constantly drag my fave Stray Kittens for flopping in Korea Because Stays keep pitting their favs against groups that are more popular in the real world. The groups those comparisons are made over ALSO have huge sales and tours. 12 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: What's up with these sajaegi accusations against IVE? There's proof or... Their label is known for sajaegi and back when charts were more transparent their acts would have their peak hours from 2-5am with people in their 40s-50s. IVE is huge but if you went off their digitals/streams they'd be as big/bigger than NewJeans and aespa when other metrics don't come close. For example: there are b-tier groups with better tour attendance than IVE, their Japanese sales despite having 2 separate releases are barely over their peers with no japanese physicals out or even Japanese distribution for their Korean albums. There's never any hard proof with any fraud claims bc it's obviously illegal but in foreign markets were sajaegiship has less power, IVE's charting ability falls off a cliff. This is despite IVE having 2 of the defining global kpop hits of 4th gen and tons of global appeal(esp for the Japanese market) too. Edited October 6, 2023 by Century 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzal Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Century said: Because Stays keep pitting their favs against groups that are more popular in the real world. The groups those comparisons are made over ALSO have huge sales and tours. In the real world Stray Kids' latest Korean song has over 40m more streams than Spicy despite being released a month later 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illia Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 IU got shook for a sec when this dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, rzal said: In the real world Stray Kids' latest Korean song has over 40m more streams than Spicy despite being released a month later In the real world you're on every website, group chat, and app looking for angles to insert your weird hate for certain female singers from Korea and have been for years. Go try it with somebody else. We're out here whining about sour fanbases and what you do is not that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Remove all those successes and streams. What can this groups be supposedly to offer? Now that's the real question? no visuals doesn't count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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